Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

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  • #181
Israel and US are convinced that many hostages are alive, so, I’m keeping sane by repeating that to myself. Former head of the Mossad was interviewed yesterday. Here is his interview.

“Hamas only holds some 150 Israeli hostages and the Islamic Jihad around 30. The rest are held by Palestinians who had crossed the border on Oct 7 and returned home 'with a pet Israeli' in tow“ Rami Igra, former Mossad chief of hostage rescue, tells @laura_i24

Emphasis mine.
From the link :"...held by Palestinians...." :mad:
"A pet Israeli in tow..."
Ordinary people.

Acting like savages.
Sometimes my patience with certain types, is about nil.

I want to hope that other Palestinians will betray their countrymen and let the IDF know where the hostages are being held.
Omo.
 
  • #182
Here's a link from the hospital's courtyard three hours ago ... so just before the IDF apparently entered it.

I notice that it is deserted (the courtyard) and that the power situation seems to be AOK. I thought it was out of power for the incubators etc?

 
  • #183
Maybe because a hospital never suffers from lack of electricity (to steal) and is always busy, so comings and he goings don't attract attention? :rolleyes:

JMO

Maybe these are also reasons, but I doubt they are the sole reasons. And if hiding among the comings and goings, they don’t want to attract attention because they’re up to no good.
 
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'Sky News’ data and forensics unit looks at one of the communities targeted by Hamas in a widespread attack that left 1,200 Israelis dead and hundreds held hostage.'

''the Israeli military is carrying out a targeted operation at a Al-Shifa hospital, the largest hospital in Gaza city. NBC News' Jay Gray reports from Tel Aviv.''
 
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#BREAKING UPDATE: IDF says its targeted operation against Hamas at Shifa Hospital remains ongoing. The IDF says medical supplies, including incubators and baby food, have reached the hospital.

The IDF says troops heading towards the Shifa Hospital encountered a Hamas swuad outside the hospital, and a battle ensued. Several terrorists were killed, the IDF says. Included below is additional footage released of IDF operations in Gaza.

A manned aircraft remotely detected yesterday a number of terrorists who came out of a building with an anti-tank launch site in the north of the Gaza Strip, holding a bag suspected of being a bomb planted in the route of movement of our forces.The aircraft followed the terrorists, and eliminated two of them.
 
  • #188
2 weeks ago, more detailed forensics, :( press conference/Q&A

 
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  • #189
On Al Jazeera (I know it's considered biased by some on here and it is.)

They are the best at getting the inside scoop/footage in Gaza. Direct interview with hospital staff.

Israeli forces raid Gaza’s main hospital where thousands are sheltering

Photos: Northern Gaza on Wednesday morning​

[Alexander Ermochenko/Reuters]
2023-11-15T060025Z_32760561_RC2GD4AQ1TSI_RTRMADP_3_ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS-GAZA-BORDER-1700029574.jpg




IDF put electronic checkpoints throughout the hospital. I kinda think reading between the lines, they may have guards between units to provide more security. They were talking about it, (without any video). Things are so chaotic right now, I'm thinking it might be more guards than electronic security,

They are interrogating some people. (Maybe all people??) Or just asking questions...(Who knows??)



The Israeli army has set up electronic checkpoints at multiple doors of the main buildings of the hospital and they are calling people inside, whether they are the medical team, patients, the injured – they have to go through these electronic gates where they can be officially interrogated by the Israeli military.

Also IDF is going to ask all people who are sheltering at Shifa to gather in the courtyard and evacuate

There were also no bullets fired in the buildings last night.

There were smoke bombs and I heard shelling all around. (via video)

Now IDF is investigating the basement. Someone said they were shooting and bombing the basement (but once again there is a fog of war, so take it with a grain of salt. I'm sure they were there and there was noise involved)

Hani Mahmoud said the basement houses radiology.
 
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On Al Jazeera (won't link because it's considered biased by some on here), but you can read on their site, said that IDF put electronic checkpoints throughout the hospital. I kinda think reading between the lines, they may have guards between units to provide more security. They were talking about it, (without any video) things are so chaotic right now, I'm thinking it might be more guards than electronic security
Perhaps facial recognition points?? Israel makes good use of that.

I link AlJazeera in here; I've not received any negative commentary about that from anyone. These days, everyone is questionning the legitimacy of all sources (BBC, ALJazeera, Israel News 12, et al). Quite normal during a war IMO.
 
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For sure. Israel has the 'receipts'.

Their Int capabilities are amazing. XRays of buildings that go through multiple stories and into the underground. Remember those West Bank mosque XRays that showed the weapons cache and everything stored in the mosque's Nursery Closet down on the bottom floor of the three with the tunnel leading out of it's basement?

They've got cell phone numbers, their geo-location mapping and tracing ownership and recording of cell calls to/from them while geolocated ... so denials of the recordings being 'legitimate' will ultimately fall flat.

Their Iron Dome tracks and records rocket launches and trajectories and impact sites & interceptions ... witness the failed launch of the PIJ missile that landed on the hospital etc.

Not to mention the HUMINT ... and they do have HUMINT. And surveillance. LOTS of surveillance.

The Israelis don't just pull stuff out of their behinds - they don't have to. Their tech is incredible as witnessed in this thread - at least the declassified stuff thus far. Just imagine the classified stuff they have.
But all this sophisticated technology and "amazing capabilities" did not prevent the terrible attack and taking innocent people as hostages.
And murders.

Unfortunately :(

JMO
 
  • #193
IDF killed 5 terrorists outside Shifa hospital in clashes before entering site; no fighting inside hospital, forces find weapons & military gear; no injuries on Israeli side for now. Earlier, IDF said 2 officers killed in Gaza combat. via
@ynetalerts

Sharit Cohen, a resident of Ashkelon whose home was hit by a rocket falling in the yard: "The soul will take time to recover. The house is less important, even though the damage is not small. We are pained that we have reached a situation where Hamas does not allow us to live in security. We trust the state and the army very much, because the Jewish people have no other home. We stay at home"

This one is Pure GOLD:
Iran's Vice President for Women and Family Affairs demanded Israel's removal from the UN Commission on the Status of Women
 
  • #194
At least one charged phone with earphones being carried on the right side of the screen ... so power for sure as these guys aren't "staff" based upon their civilian clothing. Or is all the staff male? Not a female to be seen in the footage below. Strange.

Israel Army Radio reports that there are "no indication of Israeli hostages in the raided Shifa Hospital in Gaza".
 
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The Israel Defense Forces says troops have found weapons and Hamas assets inside Shifa Hospital, which indicates the presence of the terror group.

There is no indication of hostages currently being held in Shifa, but the IDF believes the operation may bring intelligence information on the captives.

The military says there has been no “friction” between troops and patients and medical staff at Shifa Hospital during the ongoing operation.

 
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But all this sophisticated technology and "amazing capabilities" did not prevent the terrible attack and taking innocent people as hostages.
And murders.

Unfortunately :(

JMO
Indeed - as the whole world already knows.

After this war is said and done, someone is going to have to answer to the Israeli People as to why their Technology and Intelligence were asleep at the switch on October 7th 2023. Those answers will come, but meanwhile - everyone is fully awake.
 
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"How long will Israel's war with Hamas last?

Israel's war with Hamas has been going on for four weeks now.

'The fate of the bombed Gaza Strip hangs in the balance. – If right-wing voices and the voices of settlement communities gain sufficient support, I am afraid that the scenario of Israel taking over the Gaza Strip may be realized'
– says the expert.

What would have to happen for the war between Israel and Hamas to simply end?

'Sticking strictly to the definition of war, the war will probably end in the next few weeks.

This will happen after the Israeli leaders, under the influence of internal factors, the pressure of their society on the one hand, the pressure of the international community, in particular the United States, on the other, and looking and assessing the military results of the operation, come to the conclusion that they have achieved their goal - i.e., they destroyed the military structures of Hamas.

But the aftershocks of this
Middle East earthquake will be felt for a long time?


'The conflict has been going on for over 100 years, having fully begun in the 1920s with larger waves of Jewish settlement in Palestine during the British Mandate.

It is an ethnoreligious conflict,
but in fact it is a territorial dispute between Israel, which gained statehood in 1948, and the other side, which has not yet obtained the full mandate of all international players, although the structures of a Palestinian state have been in operation since the end of the 20th century'.

Will Palestine finally become a state recognized by the international community?

'This is the most troubling question.
It seems to me that such a trend may occur, although it will not mean that the Palestinian Authority will become a state in the full sense of the word.

For this, recognition by the international community is not enough, but also, above all, control over one's own territory, and this is a huge problem.

The Palestinian Authority controls small enclaves - approximately 224 enclaves, between which communication is controlled by the State of Israel.

The Palestinian Authority does not exercise sovereign control over its territory, which is a condition for statehood.

For Palestinians, what is more important is how the political processes in Palestine will unfold'.

And how will they turn out?

'The Gaza Strip is the largest and most populous Palestinian-controlled territory.

Power there was seized by Hamas, which rules there and creates the structures of a quasi-authoritarian state, violating all opposition and freedom of speech.

Possible political changes within the Palestinian Authority, Gaza, and within Palestinian society are one of the most important factors that will influence the trajectory of changes in Palestine'.

Will Israel take over the Gaza Strip?

'Such voices appear.
There is a fairly strong group of extremists in the Israeli government which want to completely eliminate the Palestinian presence in the areas between the Mediterranean Sea and Israel'.

Politicians like to say different things. Whether this will happen is another matter.

'This is one of the most important questions when it comes to this conflict.

Will there be consent from the Israeli political center or will there be resistance?

Will the resistance from the US be only verbal, or will it result in political decisions that reduce the level of support for Israel if it decides to take over the Gaza Strip, which will be an action in violation of international law?

It all depends on the political balance in Israel.

If right-wing voices and the voices of the settler communities gain sufficient support, I am afraid that the scenario of taking over the Gaza Strip may be realized.

In my opinion, however, this would be extremely unfavorable for the prospects of building a peace solution in the area of Palestine and Israel'.

And for Israel's image in the international arena, especially in the US?

'To put it simply, we can say that this would be met with considerable condemnation on the part of the Democrats,
while a large part of the Republicans would accept it with understanding.

America is still an ally of Israel,
but at the same time there is a slow change in the distribution of sympathy.

On one hand, there is a growing awareness of the fate of the Palestinians,
and on the other hand, there is also a growing number of Americans with Arab roots or simply from Muslim countries.

Let us remember that the Palestinian issue is a topic not only in Arab countries, but in a much larger group of Muslim countries'."

The rest in the link from my country's MSM.
Click Translate

 
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33m ago

Erdoğan: Israel is a terror state and Turkey will work to ensure Israeli settlers are recognised as 'terrorists'​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Wednesday Israel was a “terror state” committing war crimes and violating international law in Gaza, while repeating his assertion that Palestinian militant group Hamas was not a terrorist organisation.
 
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Few pictures and images emerging from Al-Shifa​

The BBC is getting some reports from a journalist from within Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital describing what is going on - but we are also looking for open-source material that will help provide a clearer picture of the scale of this Israeli operation.

BBC Verify is looking at satellite imagery and any videos from within or near the hospital grounds posted on local Telegram channels and other social media accounts.

Currently very little is emerging but we will be providing updates here when we are able to verify more pictures from the scene.

 
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