Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Cryptic]

Even if they are allies, since when does the US have the authority to "authorize" anything Israel does or doesn't do? jmo

They do not.

But... the use of the word "authorized" maybe a clumsily worded version of: "The US did not affirm the hospital raid. Rather Israel made the decision.."

 

[Simply Southern]

20 min ago

"Carnage in Gaza cannot be allowed to continue," UN humanitarian chief says​

From CNN's Sharon Braithwaite and Holly Yan

People attempt to put out a fire after an Israeli airstrike in Khan Younis, Gaza, on Wednesday. Mohammed Talatene/picture-alliance/dpa/AP

The horror suffered by civilians in Gaza has intensified each day and the "carnage" must stop, the United Nations' humanitarian chief said after Israeli forces raided Al-Shifa hospital.

"As the carnage in Gaza reaches new levels of horror every day, the world continues to watch in shock as hospitals come under fire, premature babies die, and an entire population is deprived of the basic means of survival," said Martin Griffiths, the UN's under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs and emergency relief coordinator. "This cannot be allowed to continue."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724808981707944412

Griffiths also released a "comprehensive" plan to rein in the carnage and urged the international community to support it. "The world must act before it is too late," he said.

Israel has claimed that underground bunkers beneath Al-Shifa hospital -- the largest hospital in Gaza -- have been used by Hamas as a command center. But hospital officials and Hamas have denied those allegations. CNN cannot verify either side's claims.

November 15, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israeli forces raided Gaza's biggest hospital in what the military said was a "precise and targeted operation." Soldiers found "military equipment used by Hamas," the military said in a statement but offered no evidence yet of a vast tunnel network it claimed was used by Hamas.

edition.cnn.com

This plan does not mention the hostages. It basically hands everything to Hamas and the billion plus bill to be paid by Israel.

What has happened to the UN? Why are we even a member and why are we funding 30% plus of the entire UN budget, when they support terrorist?
All moo..

 

[justtrish]

13 magazines for the 11 rifles that they found makes absolutely no sense. Some ammunition doesn't go with any of those rifles. Plus I don't consider a box of dates a weapon either. The evidence here is underwhelming.

IDF was outside that hospital complex for days.. I'd say the terrorists took weapons with them. They haven't finished the search of the complex yet and they haven't entered the tunnels under it. They also found hardware they can get intel from. The reason to enter was because HAMAS was using it as a headquarters, which is what Israel has been saying. That in itself isn't allowed. Giving the civilians notice so they could prepare so gave HAMAS notice so they could also prepare. We saw a video of a couple rooms in one building of the entire complex. I just saw a tweet (posted it above) that IDF is not raiding other buildings in the hospital complex.

 

[margarita25]

13 magazines for the 11 rifles that they found makes absolutely no sense. Some ammunition doesn't go with any of those rifles. Plus I don't consider a box of dates a weapon either. The evidence here is underwhelming.

I haven’t examined the list of weapons/ammo yet, but imo the ammo doesn’t have to match the weapon on site, meaning that could just be extra ammo for any type of weapons they carry, may be carrying on them, etc., and not necessarily for the specific stored weapons themselves. I should look at the content probably before commenting, but right off the bat ammo not matching a specific model doesn’t mean the implication is intended that they are for each other. One could have a gun, and extra ammo for a different gun in the same place.

And 13 magazines for 11 rifles…extra magazines?

If this is a brain fart apologies, I’ll go back and see if the above referenced content aligns with what I just typed.

 

[Dotta]

RSBM
Even if they are allies, since when does the US have the authority to "authorize" anything Israel does or doesn't do? jmo

IMO
"Authority To Authorization"
starts when money and military support is given.

Yes or No?

 

[Momoffourboys]

In case anyone is not aware. Ismail Haniyeh’s (Hamas leader hiding in Qatar) three sisters are full Israeli citizens. Their children served in the IDF.

Army Radio criticized for interviewing Ismail Haniyeh’s nephew

Rashid Haniyeh said he lives in the State of Israel and his uncle lives in Gaza - and the Hamas leader's actions "don't interest us."

www.jpost.com

 

[seasideForest]

Also from the CNN link :
To this point, more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, drawing from sources in the Hamas-controlled territory.
Red emphasis mine.
These are numbers taken from only one side.
Hamas-controlled sources.
And most likely wildly inflated.
Omo.

RSBM
BBM
I know you are stating your opinion but I have read several times since the beginning of this war that the numbers stated by the Palestinian sources are generally reliable. See for example https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/palestinians-are-denied-humanity-even-after-death/
I quote especially: Although Israel has barred foreign journalists and independent investigators from entering Gaza to make their own assessments, historical as well as contemporary evidence presents no major discrepancies between the figures reported by Gazan officials and numbers confirmed by the United Nations or Israel itself.
The article is much longer and worth a read.

No offence and everybody is entitled to their opinion but I don't see the point in making wild assumptions for one side or the other during a war and then spreading these assumptions around.

MOO JMO

 

[EveningPanic]

Thanks.
I don't believe the Palestinian children and their families are focused on school curriculums right now.

JMO

I won’t disagree. I was linking what I had found in response to you asking for more info on the terroristic indoctrination in the schools. ^^;; ..and after re-reading my post, I should have specified better—the documentaries are only about the unrwa curriculum pertaining to terrorist indoctrination/killing Jews/idolizing suicide bombers etc. starting from kindergarten. I suppose curriculum could have sounded more like the usual reading, writing, and arithmetic, lol.

 

[ilovewings]

They do not.

But... the use of the word "authorized" maybe a clumsily worded version of: "The US did not affirm the hospital raid. Rather Israel made the decision.."

Bottom line- The United States cannot tell Israel what to do

 

[Cryptic]

And 13 magazines for 11 rifles…extra magazines?

Very likely, but the very small number of extras may of been what he was referring to. Clearly HAMAS weapons, but not the find of the century.

 

[justtrish]

Israeli Forces have reportedly begun to Storm several other Buildings which were not previously Searched within the Al-Shifa Medical Complex in Northern Gaza tonight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724901817912569968

I haven't figured out how to make the tweet show up like you did here. I "share" and then copy the link, but it just shows up as the link and not the square with the actual tweet in it. Is there a trick? I am not the most tech savvy so it's probably just me..

PS thanks for posting so many of these tweets and updates.

 

[Cryptic]

Bottom line- The United States cannot tell Israel what to do

Clear bottom lines are rare in the Middle East. On paper, you are 100% correct. In practice, it gets blurry.

The US provides several billion dollars to Israel in economic and military aid every year. So, though the US can never tell Israel what to do, they can- and do, make uhmm..... "suggestions".

Biden did just that when he "suggested" that there be no mass expulsions of civilians from Gaza.

 

[Momoffourboys]

i24NEWS speaks the Israeli Ambassador to United Nations 'The UN played a big role in allowing Hamas to turn the Gaza Strip into a war machine, a terror machine against Israel and against the civilized world'

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724910597832049137

 

[Momoffourboys]

I haven't figured out how to make the tweet show up like you did here. I "share" and then copy the link, but it just shows up as the link and not the square with the actual tweet in it. Is there a trick? I am not the most tech savvy so it's probably just me..

PS thanks for posting so many of these tweets and updates.

Copy and paste the link from the top google bar. Not the tweet itself. @PommyMommy is the expert. Lol

 

[JennieM]

Israel approves some fuel for UN trucks in Gaza, source says

BEIRUT (Reuters) -Israel has given approval for 24,000 litres (6,340 gallons) of diesel fuel to be used by trucks for United Nations operations in the Gaza Strip, a humanitarian source said on Tuesday. Aid agencies in the enclave say a chronic lack of fuel has hampered efforts to deliver food...

www.yahoo.com

Colonel Moshe Terto, who heads an Israeli defence ministry body that handles civil affairs in Gaza, said Israel is monitoring the fuel situation "on a daily basis".
"(We) will coordinate and facilitate the entrance of fuel when it (is) needed," Terto said.
Bolding mine.
Hoping this is the case.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/10/politics/hostage-pause-israel-and-hamas/index.html?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo

Netanyahu has said there would be “no ceasefire” without the release of hostages.
If it means all of the hostages, then ok.
If it only means 50-70, and a five day (?) 'pause'; then Hamas will have those days to regroup.
What if Hamas says 70 hostages and meets at the border and only 20 are actually released ?
What if they can't produce a fraction of the original because the captives are deceased ?
A three or five day pause is too costly.

Also from the CNN link :
To this point, more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, drawing from sources in the Hamas-controlled territory.
Red emphasis mine.
These are numbers taken from only one side.
Hamas-controlled sources.
And most likely wildly inflated.
Omo.

When Palestinians tell the world what is happening to them, why are they met with disbelief?​

Yara Hawari

[…]

Yet despite the plethora of pictures, videos and testimonies that have come out in the past few weeks, Palestinians once again find themselves in a position where they are denied authority over their own experiences and seen as not credible.

[…]

What continues to be astounding is that a regime recognised under international law as the occupying power, and as one that many human rights groups agree is imposing a system of apartheid, is trusted to relay information about its own atrocities. Meanwhile, Palestinians in Gaza are questioned and interrogated at every breath they take. Even their corpses are questioned, as when Joe Biden said he didn’t have “confidence” in the numbers of Palestinians killed. Gaza’s health ministry issued a list with all the names of those killed along with their ID numbers, which are registered with the Israeli authorities.

The Israeli regime continues to dehumanise Palestinians as part of its tactic to sow seeds of doubt on their testimonies and to justify the atrocities it is committing.

[…]

When Palestinians tell the world what is happening to them, why are they met with disbelief? | Yara Hawari

The Palestinian viewpoint is credible and vital as Israel continues to unleash carnage on Gaza, says Yara Hawari, a fellow at Al Shabaka, the Palestinian Policy Network

www.theguardian.com

 

[Simply Southern]

Hopefully yesterday

Hate to disappoint but I didn't see the hostages mentioned in the "plan" posted.
Lol

 

[Momoffourboys]

Responding to UN Security Council vote, Israel says there will be no ‘extended pauses’ without hostage release​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/responding-to-un-security-council-vote-israel-says-there-will-be-no-extended-pauses-without-hostage-release/

 

[JennieM]

20 min ago

Israeli opposition leader calls on Netanyahu to resign​

From CNN's Tamar Michaelis, Andrew Carey and Sugam Pokharel

Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid has called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to resign, saying the Israeli leader has “lost the public’s trust.”

This is the first time Lapid has urged Netanyahu to quit since Hamas’ attack on Israel on October 7.

“Netanyahu cannot remain Israel's prime minister. We need a national recovery government … he needs to go now. We cannot allow ourselves to have a Prime Minister who has lost the public’s trust, whether from a social or a security point of view,” Lapid said in an interview with Israel’s Channel 12.

“The people who are running things right are the defense establishments. This government is dysfunctional," he said. "We need to change the government.”
However, the former prime minister added that he doesn’t think now is the right time to hold elections.

Instead, he said the best course of action was for Netanyahu’s Likud party to oust the veteran leader and replace him with a party colleague.

November 15, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israeli forces raided Gaza's biggest hospital in what the military said was a "precise and targeted operation." Soldiers found "military equipment used by Hamas," the military said in a statement but offered no evidence yet of a vast tunnel network it claimed was used by Hamas.

edition.cnn.com

 

[MyBelle]

On paper, 100% correct. In practice, it gets blurry.

The US provide several billion dollars to Israel in economic and military aid every year. So, though the US can never tell Israel what to do, they can- and do, make uhmm..... "strong suggestions".

Biden did just that when he "suggested" that there be no mass expulsions of civilians from Gaza.

Good point! I think diplomacy is always blurry and there is likely more going on between the U.S. and Arab nations than we'll ever know.

The US goal is to get the American hostages home and I'm betting those US war ships will head "home" as well.

JMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

The @UN Security Council’s resolution is disconnected from reality and is meaningless. Regardless of what the Council decides, Israel will continue acting according to int’l law while the Hamas terrorists will not even read the resolution at all, let alone abide by it. It is unfortunate that the Council continues to ignore, not condemn, or even mention the massacre that Hamas carried out on October 7, which led to the war in Gaza. It is truly shameful!Hamas's strategy is to deliberately deteriorate the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip and increase the number of Palestinian casualties in order to motivate the UN and the Security Council to stop Israel. It will not happen. Israel will continue to act until Hamas is destroyed and the hostages are returned.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724905990284271686