Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12

[MyBelle]

Sounds like he's trying to play both sides. And that sucks IMO.

Readout of President Biden's Call with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi of Egypt | The White House

President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. spoke today with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi of Egypt to express his appreciation for Egypt’s efforts to reach a deal

www.whitehouse.gov

Both sides? President Biden is doing his job as a world leader and trying to save lives.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I'd love to discuss politics with you on this thread but Tricia doesn't allow that.

The politician has already been elected. Several countries want him investigated for war crimes and I truly do not believe their basis has anything to do with politics but everything to do with saving the lives of human beings.

JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-gaza-war-crimes-icc-referral/index.html

 

[shotgun09]

The negotiations were initiated by Qatar and then pushed by Pres. Biden after he spoke to the families of the hostages.

“Qatar had reached out to the US and Israel shortly after Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, which killed roughly 1,200 people in southern Israel, and offered to help secure the release of the roughly 240 hostages who had been abducted.”

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At that point, Israeli ministers had been pushing to maintain a full siege on Gaza, and Biden worked to convince Netanyahu to begin allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt three days later.
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On October 20, Hamas agreed to release hostages Judith and Natalie Raanan — dual US-Israeli nationals — in a “pilot process” that tested Qatar’s ability to deliver.
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The successful release “gave us some confidence that Qatar really could deliver through the cell we had established,” the administration official said.

The next day, Hamas notified the cell that it was prepared to release a larger number of women and children if Israel agreed to hold off on its impending ground incursion, a second US official said.
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When Washington inquired of Jerusalem whether it would be prepared to hold off on its ground operation, Israel declined to do so, noting that Hamas had yet to provide proof of life for the vast majority of hostages and was simply trying to buy time, the US official said.

more:https://www.timesofisrael.com/behin...ks-that-led-to-the-israel-hamas-hostage-deal/

Well, what do ya know!!???
So, it wasn't Israel that initiated negotiating with terrorists?
Hmmm.
Imagine that.
It was fence $itter$.....playing both $ide$....who initiated the negotiation$?
Say it isn't so....



This has turned a complete nightmare for innocents in Israel AND Gaza into a political monopoly game, IMO.

Shame

MOO and Peace

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Both sides? The President Biden is doing his job as a world leader and trying to save lives.

JMO

Well that's just great,

 

[Momoffourboys]

Now that we have exposed more irrefutable proof of Hamas' systemic use of hospitals for terror purposes at #AlShifa, I am waiting for @WHO
@ICRC @UN_Spokesperson @UNRWA
to admit we were right all along, and that #Hamas should be condemned for violating humanitarian law. @cnn

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727510343721639975

 

[margarita25]

Yes.
Personally, I am against negotiating anything with known Terrorists. It's like dancing with the devil. Or playing poker with the devil. You will loose, IMO. 'It is known '.

No Quarter

MOO and Peace

This is Terrorism 101.

And they’ve got us by our heartstrings.

 

[Chimera]

Video shows Hamas weapons lab, whiteboard with rocket sketches under Gaza mosque: Israel

Israeli soldiers discovered a weapons storage facility and laboratory for Hamas rockets along with a whiteboard featuring sketches of airstrike plans under a mosque in Gaza, chilling new video show…

nypost.com

The space includes a long vertical shaft that the Israel Defense Forces say leads directly to Hamas’ 300-mile underground tunnel system.

The Israeli military has long accused Hamas of creating tunnel entrances in civilian buildings such as mosques, hospitals and schools.
300 miles of tunnels !
The IDF has barely begun to scratch the surface of this terrorist facility.
Wish they could continue what they're doing and weed out the Hamas rats and rescue the hostages themselves.
Without having to release dangerous criminals.
Imo.

In another underground room, the Israeli soldiers can be seen uncovering dozens of mortars, warhead missiles, thermobaric weapons and RPGs — some of them appearing finished and ready to go while others and some look to be mid-production.

The room with the weapons also included a whiteboard that featured plans to use the rockets and trace the paths of Israeli airstrikes.
Red bolded by me.

Hmmm. Didn't Hamas accuse Israel of firing these same weapons, early in the war ?
I think we know who fired these thermobaric weapons now !

Thermobaric weapon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A thermobaric weapon, also called an aerosol bomb, or a vacuum bomb.
Thermobaric weapons are almost 100% fuel and as a result are significantly more energetic than conventional explosives of equal weight.
Many types of thermobaric weapons can be fitted to hand-held launchers, and can also be launched from airplanes.
These weapons have resulted in 4th degree burns and caused significant harm to those unfortunate enough to be within their blast radius.
The usage of Thermobaric bombs has raised significant concerns due to their heightened destructive power compared to conventional explosives of similar size, inflicting severe consequences on those caught in their wake.
Rbbm.
Snipped for focus.
Wondering if the IDF uncovered any of these ?

Israel used white phosphorus weapons in Gaza, says human rights group

A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said the allegation "is unequivocally false. The IDF has not deployed the use of such munitions."

www.nbcnews.com

A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said:“The current accusation made against the IDF regarding the use of white phosphorus in Gaza is unequivocally false. The IDF has not deployed the use of such munitions.”
NBC News, which did not have reporters present when the strikes occurred in Gaza and Lebanon, has not been able to independently verify Human Rights Watch's claims.
Red bolding mine.

So it looks like Hamas may have used them against their own people deliberately to create an illusion of carnage ('See what Israel did to us ?'), or else it could have been another 'misfire' ?
Terrible if Hamas used these painful weapons against their own people.
Indescribable cruelty.
Omo.

 

[MyBelle]

I've heard...

Somebody playing both sides of the fence is more dangerous than your enemy.

It's called DIPLOMACY, and many countries are attempting to bring peace to the region. In fact, the US has politely declined China's offer to intervene.

JMO

US Dismisses Chinese Diplomacy on Gaza

Chinese top diplomat Wang Yi has been stepping up peacemaking efforts in Gaza, meeting with Arab and Muslim officials Monday.

www.voanews.com

"We're comfortable with our relationships. We're comfortable with American leadership in the region. We're comfortable that we have the ability to work through partners in the region to achieve outcomes and results that are beneficial to all of us," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said in an interview with VOA Wednesday.

 

[Friday Fan]

Well, what do ya know!!???
So, it wasn't Israel that initiated negotiating with terrorists?
Hmmm.
Imagine that.
It was fence $itter$.....playing both $ide$....who initiated the negotiation$?
Say it isn't so....



This has turned a complete nightmare for innocents in Israel AND Gaza into a political monopoly game, IMO.

Shame

MOO and Peace

I don't believe the United States was involved with this one. Israel released 1,027 Palestinian prisoners for one hostage.

Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (Hebrew: עסקת שליט; Arabic: صفقة شاليط), also known as Wafa al-Ahrar (Arabic: وفاء الأحرار) ("Faithful to the free"),[1] followed a 2011 agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners — almost all Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, although there were also a Ukrainian,[2] a Jordanian[3] and a Syrian.[4] Two hundred and eighty of these had been sentenced to life in prison for planning and perpetrating various attacks against Israeli targets.[5][6]


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So it's OK if Israel and Hamas negotiate?

 

[Momoffourboys]

Haaretz reporter inside Hamas HQ under Shifa hospital. 170m fortified tunnel, complete w airconditioned rooms, beds, comms+electricity, cache of arms, grenades, drones, a bag and sandals looted from Beeri kibbutz they slaughtered.There was never any doubt

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727417170349470088

 

[Momoffourboys]

Children should not live in the shadow of hate.Free Gaza from Hamas.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727331089486938481

 

[Friday Fan]

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I don't know if this was diplomacy or what. If it was my kid, I would not have allowed 1,027 Palestinian prisoners released for one hostage, but that's just me. Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange - Wikipedia

That's why I thought it was at Israel's request, because they exchanged all those prisoners for one hostage. But I don't live there, so who am I to judge. I do care about stuff that the US is involved in, but there is no indication that we were involved with this and I didn't know anything about it until recently.





The Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (Hebrew: עסקת שליט; Arabic: صفقة شاليط), also known as Wafa al-Ahrar (Arabic: وفاء الأحرار) ("Faithful to the free"),[1] followed a 2011 agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners — almost all Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, although there were also a Ukrainian,[2] a Jordanian[3] and a Syrian.[4] Two hundred and eighty of these had been sentenced to life in prison for planning and perpetrating various attacks against Israeli targets.[5][6]

 

[Momoffourboys]

US envoy raises rape of women on Oct. 7 during Security Council meeting: ‘Where is the outrage?’​

US Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield raps fellow UN Security Council members for minimizing or ignoring the crimes committed by Hamas on October 7.

“It has been less than two months since Hamas carried out its barbaric terrorist attack against Israel, but many members of this council seem to have forgotten or attempted to erase the horrors of that day. And many still cannot bring themselves to unequivocally condemn Hamas’s acts of terror,” Thomas-Greenfield says.

“The children who were executed in front of their parents. The families who were burned alive. The young people who were gunned down with glee. We have also seen horrifying footage that points to Hamas’ rape and sexual assault of innocent civilians. Where is the universal condemnation? And where is the outrage?” Thomas-Greenfield asks during a Security Council session focused on the plight of women in the Israel-Hamas war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-envoy-raises-rape-of-women-on-oct-7-during-security-council-meeting-where-is-the-outrage/

 

[PommyMommy]

17min ago

Sirens blare in Ashkelon and surrounding area​

Sirens warning of incoming rocket fire sound in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon and the surrounding area.

There is no immediate confirmation of rocket explosions, injuries, nor damage.

 

[PommyMommy]

Leave it to Hamas to transform a place of healing into a terrorism stronghold.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727522980970762329

 

[PommyMommy]

3min ago

US official says decision to delay hostage deal made together by Israel, Qatar, Egypt​

A senior US official tells CNN that the decision to delay the implementation of the hostage deal by a day, to Friday, was made by Israel together with Qatar and Egypt and that the US was in the loop.

The official says more time was needed to finalize details and to “minimize things going wrong,’ CNN reports.

According to the deal, Hamas will free 50 Israeli hostages — children, their mothers, and other women — for a four-day lull in fighting and the release of 150 Palestinian prisoners, women and minors.

The US official says there is no cause for concern yet as Israel had not yet received the names of the first group of hostages to be released, a move that was expected Wednesday night. The official said worry would be warranted if there was still no list by Thursday night.

[...]

“The deal was agreed and remains agreed,” Watson said in a statement. “The parties are working out final logistical details, particularly for the first day of implementation.”

[...]

 

[Friday Fan]

Leave it to Hamas to transform a place of healing into a terrorism stronghold.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1727522980970762329

There are lots of Arab hospitals named shifa! I learned that when I googled "Shifa Hospital"
It's similar to lots of Christian hospitals named, "Good Samaritan"

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, we have discovered yet another Hamas tunnel, however this time beneath a civilian house near Shifa Hospital.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727553265854787591

 

[Momoffourboys]

‘Now they are our kids, but next time it could be any kid around the world'Children's toys from Kibbutz Be'eri, one of the hardest hit communities on #October7, are on display as a reminder of the atrocities committed by #Hamas

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727469933401874567

 

[Momoffourboys]

3min ago

US official says decision to delay hostage deal made together by Israel, Qatar, Egypt​

A senior US official tells CNN that the decision to delay the implementation of the hostage deal by a day, to Friday, was made by Israel together with Qatar and Egypt and that the US was in the loop.

The official says more time was needed to finalize details and to “minimize things going wrong,’ CNN reports.

According to the deal, Hamas will free 50 Israeli hostages — children, their mothers, and other women — for a four-day lull in fighting and the release of 150 Palestinian prisoners, women and minors.

The US official says there is no cause for concern yet as Israel had not yet received the names of the first group of hostages to be released, a move that was expected Wednesday night. The official said worry would be warranted if there was still no list by Thursday night.

[...]

“The deal was agreed and remains agreed,” Watson said in a statement. “The parties are working out final logistical details, particularly for the first day of implementation.”

[...]

IMO No-one trusts Hamas to hold up their end of the agreement. Rightly so.