Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14

[fred&edna]

With respect, I think you are victim blaming and you are referring to the Palestinian people as though their lives don't matter.

The Israeli leadership is responsible for directing the destruction of homes and people en masse.

The people are not dispersed as they normally would have been in their own homes in different towns. Instead they have have had to follow instructions enforced by an army of occupation move to a safe zone to avoid being killed.
Forcing generations of the same families under the one roof where they all have been killed like lambs to the slaughter.

There is nothing bewildering about terrorism - it is a fact of life from one end of the world to the next and they have no respect for human life.

It must be terrifying to close your eyes at night in the expectation that you and all who are dear to you may be lying under tons of rubble, blasted to smithereens come morning.

I AM blaming those who believe, preach and follow Hamas and all its teachings. Palestinian supporters have just been sitting back and watching for years - continuing to preach and teach that Israel and Jews are to blame since (nearly) time began. All those Palestinians and supporters who have not protested, nor yelled, nor cried, nor lifted one typing finger to fight against terrorism in Gaza. But, now... once again... blame Israel and Jews for any suffering of Palestinians. Israel will always be the scapegoat. It's as old as time. And, that continuing blame (while accepting NO responsibility, NO demand for terrorism to be stopped/rooted out) is nearly as bewildering as terrorism itself.

jmo


jmo

 

[justtrish]

I don't understand why any suggestion for a way to end this peacefully is instantly dismissed. I think it was you who said why isn't anyone suggesting a way to end this, instead of just "blaming" Israel? So I suggested something that worked somewhere else, involving a terrorist group that "couldn't be trusted". It worked.

imo

Yes, it was me that asked for suggestions. I was more so meaning from the countries and their leaders that were publicly criticizing Israel for it's decisions. I would love to know how they would deal with what occurred Oct 7th and with the terrorist "government" that is HAMAS that controls Gaza. None of them are opening their borders to allow refugees in. None of them are offering a fix for the situation except to say Israel should stop bombing Gaza. So Gaza can fire rockets into Israel and do what it did Oct 7th and Israel should just stay in Israel and wait for HAMAS to decide to give everyone back or to decide to quit firing rockets at Israel? It changes things when it's your own people and country that is attacked and when you live next door to a place with a governing body that has a goal to remove you and your people from the earth.

Negotiating with HAMAS so far has been a tragedy in itself. For Israel to get back the INNOCENT children and women HAMAS just abducted.. these are not soldiers detained during a war.. these were innocent civilians taken during peace time... the "deal" was a royal screw you to Israel. HAMAS gets fighters back for it's holy war against Jews and Israel gets back traumatized women and children at a ratio of 3 to 1.

It is disgusting what Israel had to give up to get back it's innocent victims of HAMAS's barbaric attack.

There is no peace with HAMAS in power.

Would you want to negotiate peace with the very people that brutally assaulted your family, abducted your children, raped you, murdered your spouse or parents?? Would you believe those very same people want to live in peace right next to you after they called for the eradication of your people just weeks before?

I agree with a previous statement about being a realist.

After what we have seen the world should demand HAMAS not be in the deal for any peace that could be had. No way. That is not me being unwilling to entertain suggestions.. that is me not being willing to retraumatize an entire population of people. HAMAS is not FOR Palestinians.. so them remaining in power will only serve to continue to hold Palestinians down. There would be no peace for anyone in that deal.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, it was me that asked for suggestions. I was more so meaning from the countries and their leaders that were publicly criticizing Israel for it's decisions. I would love to know how they would deal with what occurred Oct 7th and with the terrorist "government" that is HAMAS that controls Gaza. None of them are opening their borders to allow refugees in. None of them are offering a fix for the situation except to say Israel should stop bombing Gaza. So Gaza can fire rockets into Israel and do what it did Oct 7th and Israel should just stay in Israel and wait for HAMAS to decide to give everyone back or to decide to quit firing rockets at Israel? It changes things when it's your own people and country that is attacked and when you live next door to a place with a governing body that has a goal to remove you and your people from the earth.

Negotiating with HAMAS so far has been a tragedy in itself. For Israel to get back the INNOCENT children and women HAMAS just abducted.. these are not soldiers detained during a war.. these were innocent civilians taken during peace time... the "deal" was a royal screw you to Israel. HAMAS gets fighters back for it's holy war against Jews and Israel gets back traumatized women and children at a ratio of 3 to 1.

It is disgusting what Israel had to give up to get back it's innocent victims of HAMAS's barbaric attack.

There is no peace with HAMAS in power.

Would you want to negotiate peace with the very people that brutally assaulted your family, abducted your children, raped you, murdered your spouse or parents?? Would you believe those very same people want to live in peace right next to you after they called for the eradication of your people just weeks before?

I agree with a previous statement about being a realist.

After what we have seen the world should demand HAMAS not be in the deal for any peace that could be had. No way. That is not me being unwilling to entertain suggestions.. that is me not being willing to retraumatize an entire population of people. HAMAS is not FOR Palestinians.. so them remaining in power will only serve to continue to hold Palestinians down. There would be no peace for anyone in that deal.

Yes, I do know all of that. Having been on this thread since very early.

I thought you were asking for suggestions in general. My apologies for misunderstanding your question.

 

[margarita25]

The anti-Zionist sex: Feminist organizations side with Hamas​

The October 7 massacre brought feminist organizations and jihadist rapists into one bed.​

The anti-Zionist sex: Feminist organizations side with Hamas | The Jerusalem Post

The October 7 massacre brought feminist organizations and jihadist rapists into one bed.

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I had not seen this horrific photo inside this kindergarten before.

It won’t copy over, at link:

“A damaged and blood-stained kindergarten is seen following a deadly infiltration by Hamas gunmen from the Gaza Strip, in Kibbutz Beeri in southern Israel October 22, 2023. (credit: REUTERS/AMIR COHEN)”

The anti-Zionist sex: Feminist organizations side with Hamas | The Jerusalem Post

The October 7 massacre brought feminist organizations and jihadist rapists into one bed.

m.jpost.com

* Look at this picture. The innocent people and children in Israel will NEVER be safe if they don’t annihilate these monsters. Hamas has very sadly left them no choice that innocents will also die since these cowards hide under their own people’s/children’s feet.

 

[justtrish]

Agitators?! Hamas terrorists have driven the Palestinians of Gaza into death and destruction. They continue to scream for more blood. They've taught their children under the direction of UNRWA to kill Jews. It's more worrying to me that any Palestinian (or anyone who wants Palestinians to be "free") hasn't done anything to root out terrorism for years upon years during Hamas rule... and, only now come out in droves to be heard because Israel is fighting back against terrorism.

It's truly bewildering to me.

jmo

AMEN!

All the naysayers.. Oh no Israel is bombing Gaza.. Israel should stop, oh the innocent civilians in Gaza..

Where have they been while HAMAS has been ruining Gaza for YEARS? Where were they when HAMAS was stealing from it's people, building tunnels, taking the money and living it up in other countries while their people struggle?? Why won't they allow Palestinians into their countries? Why won't they take in refugees? They all watched it happen.. It wasn't on their front door so not our problem.

Nobody wants to be involved. Everyone spews their rhetoric from afar. If it came to their border.. then what? They would be signing a different tune!

 

[chimpface]

AMEN!

All the naysayers.. Oh no Israel is bombing Gaza.. Israel should stop, oh the innocent civilians in Gaza..

Where have they been while HAMAS has been ruining Gaza for YEARS? Where were they when HAMAS was stealing from it's people, building tunnels, taking the money and living it up in other countries while their people struggle?? Why won't they allow Palestinians into their countries? Why won't they take in refugees? They all watched it happen.. It wasn't on their front door so not our problem.

Nobody wants to be involved. Everyone spews their rhetoric from afar. If it came to their border.. then what? They would be signing a different tune!

So let's just bomb, maim and kill innocent people yeah?

I'd imagine they were just living (sorry surviving) their lives.

 

[JennieM]

“Almost two months into the fighting, the children, women and men of Gaza are all terrified. They have nowhere safe to go and very little to survive on. They live surrounded by disease, destruction and death.”

UN aid chief, Martin Griffiths

Israeli airstrikes hit near Damascus, says Syria – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mex]

Yes, it was me that asked for suggestions. I was more so meaning from the countries and their leaders that were publicly criticizing Israel for it's decisions. I would love to know how they would deal with what occurred Oct 7th and with the terrorist "government" that is HAMAS that controls Gaza. None of them are opening their borders to allow refugees in. None of them are offering a fix for the situation except to say Israel should stop bombing Gaza. So Gaza can fire rockets into Israel and do what it did Oct 7th and Israel should just stay in Israel and wait for HAMAS to decide to give everyone back or to decide to quit firing rockets at Israel? It changes things when it's your own people and country that is attacked and when you live next door to a place with a governing body that has a goal to remove you and your people from the earth.

Negotiating with HAMAS so far has been a tragedy in itself. For Israel to get back the INNOCENT children and women HAMAS just abducted.. these are not soldiers detained during a war.. these were innocent civilians taken during peace time... the "deal" was a royal screw you to Israel. HAMAS gets fighters back for it's holy war against Jews and Israel gets back traumatized women and children at a ratio of 3 to 1.

It is disgusting what Israel had to give up to get back it's innocent victims of HAMAS's barbaric attack.

There is no peace with HAMAS in power.

Would you want to negotiate peace with the very people that brutally assaulted your family, abducted your children, raped you, murdered your spouse or parents?? Would you believe those very same people want to live in peace right next to you after they called for the eradication of your people just weeks before?

I agree with a previous statement about being a realist.

After what we have seen the world should demand HAMAS not be in the deal for any peace that could be had. No way. That is not me being unwilling to entertain suggestions.. that is me not being willing to retraumatize an entire population of people. HAMAS is not FOR Palestinians.. so them remaining in power will only serve to continue to hold Palestinians down. There would be no peace for anyone in that deal.

Foremost among the countries seeking resolution to this war is the United States of America.
What's to be done if the Israelis take no heed of America?

It certainly is no way to make friends and influence people.

My opinion

 

[fred&edna]

Blame Israel/Jews and Christians and bring on more Islamic terrorism they shout.

Pakistani And Kashmiri Leaders On Israel-Hamas War: 'The One-Point Agenda Of Kashmiris Is The Liberation Of Kashmir; After Palestine, This Will Have To Be Carried Out In Kashmir'; 'That Day Is Not Far When The Roads To Gaza Will Open And The People's

Since the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack in Israel, political parties and religious organizations have been organizing anti-Israel conferences and rallies in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Azad Jammu & Kashmir at which speakers stress that the issues of Kashmir and Palestine resemble one...

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Dr. Muhammad Mushtaq Khan, the emir of Jamaat-e-Islami for Azad Jammu & Kashmir, told the conference: "[Allah has said in the Quran,] Do not make the Jews and Christians your friend. They are friends between themselves. One who is with them will be among them..."[5] At an earlier meeting, Khan demanded "action against Israel for pushing the world into a third world war."[6] He said: "It is obligatory upon the entire Ummah to struggle for the liberation of the First Qibla and to provide practical aid to the unarmed Palestinians. India and Israel are shedding the blood of Muslims like water. The occupation army of India in the occupied Jammu & Kashmir is martyring Kashmiris and disposing of their corpses in the remote areas of jungles."[7]

 

[Gardenista]

Yes, it was me that asked for suggestions. I was more so meaning from the countries and their leaders that were publicly criticizing Israel for it's decisions. I would love to know how they would deal with what occurred Oct 7th and with the terrorist "government" that is HAMAS that controls Gaza. None of them are opening their borders to allow refugees in. None of them are offering a fix for the situation except to say Israel should stop bombing Gaza. So Gaza can fire rockets into Israel and do what it did Oct 7th and Israel should just stay in Israel and wait for HAMAS to decide to give everyone back or to decide to quit firing rockets at Israel? It changes things when it's your own people and country that is attacked and when you live next door to a place with a governing body that has a goal to remove you and your people from the earth.

Negotiating with HAMAS so far has been a tragedy in itself. For Israel to get back the INNOCENT children and women HAMAS just abducted.. these are not soldiers detained during a war.. these were innocent civilians taken during peace time... the "deal" was a royal screw you to Israel. HAMAS gets fighters back for it's holy war against Jews and Israel gets back traumatized women and children at a ratio of 3 to 1.

It is disgusting what Israel had to give up to get back it's innocent victims of HAMAS's barbaric attack.

There is no peace with HAMAS in power.

Would you want to negotiate peace with the very people that brutally assaulted your family, abducted your children, raped you, murdered your spouse or parents?? Would you believe those very same people want to live in peace right next to you after they called for the eradication of your people just weeks before?

I agree with a previous statement about being a realist.

After what we have seen the world should demand HAMAS not be in the deal for any peace that could be had. No way. That is not me being unwilling to entertain suggestions.. that is me not being willing to retraumatize an entire population of people. HAMAS is not FOR Palestinians.. so them remaining in power will only serve to continue to hold Palestinians down. There would be no peace for anyone in that deal.

You will get no workable suggestions because there is no way of doing this except the way Israel is doing it.

 

[JennieM]

3h ago
Israel has said it will not renew visa for a top UN official who helps oversee humanitarian aid for the Gaza Strip and occupied West Bank, a UN spokesperson said.

Lynn Hastings, a Canadian-born UN official, has served as the body’s deputy special coordinator for the Middle East peace process and UN humanitarian coordinator for the occupied Palestinian territory for nearly three years.

UN spokesperson Stéphane Dujarric told reporters on Friday:

We’ve been informed by the Israeli authorities that they would not renew the visa of Ms Hastings past the due date at some point later this month.

Israel’s foreign ministry last month accused Hastings in a social media post of failing to be impartial and objective.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717508059944096212

“You’ve seen some very public attacks on Twitter against her which were utterly unacceptable,” Dujarric said, adding that personal attacks on UN staff “is unacceptable and puts people’s lives at risks”.

He stressed that the UN’s secretary general, António Guterres, has full confidence in Hastings.



2h ago
A UN spokesperson has confirmed that Lynn Hastings will be replaced as the body’s official helping to oversee humanitarian aid for the Gaza Strip and occupied West Bank.

As we reported earlier, UN spokesperson Stéphane Dujarric said Israeli authorities had informed the body that they would not renew Hastings’ visa.

He has since told Al Jazeera that she will be replaced, adding:

We need to make sure that there’s agreement and everybody is OK with the people that we send.

He added that Israel’s attacks against Hastings, who has been the UN’s deputy special coordinator for the Middle East peace process and the humanitarian coordinator for the Occupied Palestinian Territory for three years, were “unacceptable”.

Israeli airstrikes hit near Damascus, says Syria – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[justtrish]

So let's just bomb, maim and kill innocent people yeah?

I'd imagine they were just living (sorry surviving) their lives.

I didn't say that. I said they were nowhere to be found when Palestinians have been suffering under HAMAS's rule for years.. they want no part of that. They ignore it because it isn't their problem. They were fine with Palestinians suffering because HAMAS steals from them and creates problems for them. HAMAS is not working on behalf of the people in Gaza. They never have been. Nobody tried to remove them though when there wasn't a war.. they just look the other way. Now they are up in arms about Israel's reaction. The same people didn't care about Palestinians suffering before.

 

[fred&edna]

Islamic fundamentalism disguised as "free the poor Palestinians".

jmo

 

[Brightchaser47]

If an unconditional surrender did happen now and the bombing stopped now, what happens next?

Is there a plan what will happen in Gaza and to Palestinians? And who will rebuilt Gaza? Will all the displaced people carry on living in tents and ruins until Gaza is rebuilt?

This war has captured the attention of the entire world. I know what we see now is utter chaos and devastation, but you'd be surprised how quickly something can be rebuilt, when there is cooperation and determination to see it accomplished. Look at all the countries who quickly stepped up and sent convoys of trucks of humanitarian aid for Gaza, as well as the ships, planes, etc. When the time comes to rebuild, I have no doubt it will happen. jmo

 

[margarita25]

The family of Guy Iloz, who was kidnapped from the party in Ra'i, received a message that he was murdered in captivity. Of blessed memory

https://x.com/N12News/status/1730634649544675761?s=20

There are many abducted suddenly being reported dead over the past few days, some without details provided except that their phones last pinged in Gaza and are thought to have been taken hostage.

This statement is very clear:

“he was murdered in captivity”

 

[SusanDonim]

I didn't say that. I said they were nowhere to be found when Palestinians have been suffering under HAMAS's rule for years.. they want no part of that. They ignore it because it isn't their problem. They were fine with Palestinians suffering because HAMAS steals from them and creates problems for them. HAMAS is not working on behalf of the people in Gaza. They never have been. Nobody tried to remove them though when there wasn't a war.. they just look the other way. Now they are up in arms about Israel's reaction. The same people didn't care about Palestinians suffering before.

Just because you didn't notice before, does not mean people were not protestesting to free palestine before.

 

[Gardenista]

Just because you didn't notice before, does not mean people were not protestesting to free palestine before.

Were they protesting to free Palestine from Hamas?

 

[Mex]

I didn't say that. I said they were nowhere to be found when Palestinians have been suffering under HAMAS's rule for years.. they want no part of that. They ignore it because it isn't their problem. They were fine with Palestinians suffering because HAMAS steals from them and creates problems for them. HAMAS is not working on behalf of the people in Gaza. They never have been. Nobody tried to remove them though when there wasn't a war.. they just look the other way. Now they are up in arms about Israel's reaction. The same people didn't care about Palestinians suffering before.

Civilians are being slaughtered indiscriminately by the occupying force in Gaza.

We all know that is a war crime or if we don't, we should.

My opinion

 

[shotgun09]

Were they protesting to free Palestine from Hamas?

There goes that darned curtain again !! Wide Open !
IMO

 

[Chimera]

So let's just bomb, maim and kill innocent people yeah?

I'd imagine they were just living (sorry surviving) their lives.

No, this is not what's happening.

Precision strikes on known Hamas headquarters/tunnels/rooms under Al Shifa hospital --or wherever; are far different than indiscriminate bombing.
Far different.
This is a struggle for Israel's life, not their land.
Although if Hamas could, they'd take land that wasn't theirs to take, as well.

The IDF dropped leaflets and warned long before that to evacuate, and cannot be held responsible for those who chose not to, or for Hamas using human shields.

Hamas and Palestinian citizens stole many items on the day of the Oct. 7th attack.

IDF releases Hamas documents directing how to carry out civilian abductions

The Israel Defense Forces released documents collected from the bodies of Hamas fighters that show detailed instructions on how to take civilians hostage, bind them and broadcast the abductions live. NBC News’ Anna Schecter reports on the amount of intelligence Hamas collected to plan its Oct. 7...

www.nbcnews.com

Omo.