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Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14
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Serious question: If most of the casualties in Gaza are women and children (as is reported), is it because the men are working with Hamas? Or because the women and children simply outnumber the men?
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All Hamas would offer is raw deals....
The fates of dozens of hostages are left in question.
Mr. Jabareen said Hamas had made three other proposals, all of which involved small numbers of Israelis in exchange for dozens of Palestinian prisoners. Previous exchanges during the seven-day truce generally called for the release of three Palestinian prisoners for every hostage freed.
One proposal included Hamas trading what it said were the bodies of the mother and two children from the Bibas family for a few dozen Palestinians detained by Israel since 2014, Mr. Jabareen said.
Hamas announced this week that the three — Shiri Bibas, 32; Ariel Bibas, 4; and Kfir Bibas, 10 months old — had been killed in Israeli airstrikes in Gaza. The Israeli military has said it is seeking to verify the information.
Hamas also proposed exchanging the family’s father, Yarden Bibas, who the group says is still alive, for a few dozen of the longest-serving Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, including some held since the ’80s, Mr. Jabareen said.
Another Hamas proposal would have required both sides to release all captives over age 60, and another roughly 130 Palestinian prisoners, many of them detained in the aftermath of Hamas’s surprise Oct. 7 attacks on Israel.
Israel rejected all those proposals, Mr. Jabareen said
The fates of dozens of hostages are left in question.
Mr. Jabareen said Hamas had made three other proposals, all of which involved small numbers of Israelis in exchange for dozens of Palestinian prisoners. Previous exchanges during the seven-day truce generally called for the release of three Palestinian prisoners for every hostage freed.
One proposal included Hamas trading what it said were the bodies of the mother and two children from the Bibas family for a few dozen Palestinians detained by Israel since 2014, Mr. Jabareen said.
Hamas announced this week that the three — Shiri Bibas, 32; Ariel Bibas, 4; and Kfir Bibas, 10 months old — had been killed in Israeli airstrikes in Gaza. The Israeli military has said it is seeking to verify the information.
Hamas also proposed exchanging the family’s father, Yarden Bibas, who the group says is still alive, for a few dozen of the longest-serving Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, including some held since the ’80s, Mr. Jabareen said.
Another Hamas proposal would have required both sides to release all captives over age 60, and another roughly 130 Palestinian prisoners, many of them detained in the aftermath of Hamas’s surprise Oct. 7 attacks on Israel.
Israel rejected all those proposals, Mr. Jabareen said
FAILURE TO EXTEND MILITARY PAUSE IS A DEATH SENTENCE FOR CHILDREN AS BOMBARDMENT OF GAZA RESUMES
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“Every time diplomatic efforts fail, we are failing all children in Gaza, Israel and the West Bank.
“Once again, children in Gaza woke up to the sounds of airstrikes. Once again, they risk being killed by bombs, starvation, disease or dehydration. 56 days of intense violence and destruction have produced one of the worst humanitarian crises ever seen in the region and this seven day-pause hasn’t allowed us to get the aid and staff needed into Gaza to provide lifesaving assistance to the 1.1 million children and their families.
"Nearly 8,000 children in Gaza have already been killed or are missing, presumed under the rubble [1]. In the hours since the breakdown of the pause this morning, the Ministry of Health in Gaza reported at least 32 people killed and tens of people injured, including children. This is a stain on our collective conscience, and we cannot stand by and let this indefensible toll grow even further. The failure of the international community to take decisive action in stopping the conflict, and restoring the international rules-based order will be at the cost of the lives, hopes and futures of an entire generation of children.
“The international community cannot accept a return to hostilities, with its relentless destruction and devastating impacts for children. Humanity must prevail. We need a definitive ceasefire now. It is the only way to keep children safe and create conditions that allow us to provide urgent assistance at the speed and scale needed to save lives.”
James Denselow, Head of Conflict and Humanitarian at Save the Children, added:
“By failing to push for a lasting ceasefire, Rishi Sunak and his government must bear some of the responsibility for this devastating renewal of violence. History will not forget or forgive those who turned a blind eye to children’s suffering.”
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“Every time diplomatic efforts fail, we are failing all children in Gaza, Israel and the West Bank.
“Once again, children in Gaza woke up to the sounds of airstrikes. Once again, they risk being killed by bombs, starvation, disease or dehydration. 56 days of intense violence and destruction have produced one of the worst humanitarian crises ever seen in the region and this seven day-pause hasn’t allowed us to get the aid and staff needed into Gaza to provide lifesaving assistance to the 1.1 million children and their families.
"Nearly 8,000 children in Gaza have already been killed or are missing, presumed under the rubble [1]. In the hours since the breakdown of the pause this morning, the Ministry of Health in Gaza reported at least 32 people killed and tens of people injured, including children. This is a stain on our collective conscience, and we cannot stand by and let this indefensible toll grow even further. The failure of the international community to take decisive action in stopping the conflict, and restoring the international rules-based order will be at the cost of the lives, hopes and futures of an entire generation of children.
“The international community cannot accept a return to hostilities, with its relentless destruction and devastating impacts for children. Humanity must prevail. We need a definitive ceasefire now. It is the only way to keep children safe and create conditions that allow us to provide urgent assistance at the speed and scale needed to save lives.”
James Denselow, Head of Conflict and Humanitarian at Save the Children, added:
“By failing to push for a lasting ceasefire, Rishi Sunak and his government must bear some of the responsibility for this devastating renewal of violence. History will not forget or forgive those who turned a blind eye to children’s suffering.”
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Another question, how is it that the Hamas leader that was interviewed this morning on CBS couldn’t keep track of 100+ hostages but they can give accurate casualty numbers every day.
Senior Hamas leader says he doesn't know how many hostages are left in Gaza
Hamas has now released dozens of Israeli hostages, but many more remain in Gaza and Israel is demanding the return of all those who were taken on Oct. 7. Ghazi Hamad, a senior leader of Hamas' political wing, told CBS News' Holly Williams that he does not know exactly how many hostages remain in...
www.cbsnews.com
Well they are sure enough going to have a clean sheet to start with.
I've been watching the smoke, the dust and the heaps of concrete from one end of the enclave to the next. Just demolition rubble everywhere.
Apart from the obvious, there must be health issues here for the people?
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Good point.Another question, how is it that the Hamas leader that was interviewed this morning on CBS couldn’t keep track of 100+ hostages but they can give accurate casualty numbers every day.
Senior Hamas leader says he doesn't know how many hostages are left in Gaza
Hamas has now released dozens of Israeli hostages, but many more remain in Gaza and Israel is demanding the return of all those who were taken on Oct. 7. Ghazi Hamad, a senior leader of Hamas' political wing, told CBS News' Holly Williams that he does not know exactly how many hostages remain in...www.cbsnews.com
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Well, they couldn't get prisoners from Israel, so they got them from Libya. They look like nice ..
Libya releases four Hamas members it had jailed at US’ request
Libya has reportedly released four Hamas members in an apparent gesture of solidarity with the terror group amid the war in Gaza.
The four men — Marwan al-Ashqar, his son Baraa, Mouayad Abed and Nasib Choubeir — were detained by Libyan police in 2016 at the request of the United States.
They were convicted of trafficking weapons and sentenced in 2019 to jail terms ranging from 17 to 22 years.
But following the outbreak of the war, Hamas began calling on Libya to release its members.
Libya — which just months ago was in talks to normalize ties with Israel — heeded the call and freed the four members.
The four were photographed on a private jet to Istanbul earlier today. From there, they were expected to fly to Qatar, which continues to host Hamas’s leadership while brokering talks between the terror group and Israel.
Hmm.
Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show
By Dominic Bailey, Erwan Rivault & Daniele PalumboBBC Visual Journalism and BBC Verify
Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show
Images commissioned by the BBC reveal the damage in Gaza before the recent temporary truce started.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They don't look malnourished either...Well, they couldn't get prisoners from Israel, so they got them from Libya. They look like nice ..
Libya releases four Hamas members it had jailed at US’ request
Libya has reportedly released four Hamas members in an apparent gesture of solidarity with the terror group amid the war in Gaza.
The four men — Marwan al-Ashqar, his son Baraa, Mouayad Abed and Nasib Choubeir — were detained by Libyan police in 2016 at the request of the United States.
They were convicted of trafficking weapons and sentenced in 2019 to jail terms ranging from 17 to 22 years.
But following the outbreak of the war, Hamas began calling on Libya to release its members.
Libya — which just months ago was in talks to normalize ties with Israel — heeded the call and freed the four members.
The four were photographed on a private jet to Istanbul earlier today. From there, they were expected to fly to Qatar, which continues to host Hamas’s leadership while brokering talks between the terror group and Israel.
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Follow up on the prisoner who didn't want to leave prison (because he didn't want to go back to Gaza and because he was receiving a paycheck in prison)
He was the only prisoner from Gaza
His parents' home is uninhabitable
His home is no longer inhabitable; it was badly damaged by bombing after his parents and siblings fled their home in Al Shouka, a village near Gaza’s southern border.
Now, like the vast majority of Gazans, they are internally displaced, unable to return home or to leave Gaza, living in a makeshift shelter in Rafah that lacks basic necessities.
Despite it all, Mr. Abu Sunaima’s return this week, during a brief respite from bombing thanks to the weeklong truce that included his release, was still joyful. He was greeted with warm hugs from his family and friends.
“I don’t have words to describe how I felt when I arrived in Gaza,” he said. “I wish all prisoners could feel the same.”
The temporary peace, allowed Mr. Abu Sunaima to travel back to Al Shouka to survey the damage.
He also learned that a friend, Ammar, around his age, had been killed.
He was the only prisoner from Gaza
His parents' home is uninhabitable
His home is no longer inhabitable; it was badly damaged by bombing after his parents and siblings fled their home in Al Shouka, a village near Gaza’s southern border.
Now, like the vast majority of Gazans, they are internally displaced, unable to return home or to leave Gaza, living in a makeshift shelter in Rafah that lacks basic necessities.
Despite it all, Mr. Abu Sunaima’s return this week, during a brief respite from bombing thanks to the weeklong truce that included his release, was still joyful. He was greeted with warm hugs from his family and friends.
“I don’t have words to describe how I felt when I arrived in Gaza,” he said. “I wish all prisoners could feel the same.”
The temporary peace, allowed Mr. Abu Sunaima to travel back to Al Shouka to survey the damage.
He also learned that a friend, Ammar, around his age, had been killed.
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Maybe Libya has good prison food!
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Well, they couldn't get prisoners from Israel, so they got them from Libya. They look like nice ..
Libya releases four Hamas members it had jailed at US’ request
Libya has reportedly released four Hamas members in an apparent gesture of solidarity with the terror group amid the war in Gaza.
The four men — Marwan al-Ashqar, his son Baraa, Mouayad Abed and Nasib Choubeir — were detained by Libyan police in 2016 at the request of the United States.
They were convicted of trafficking weapons and sentenced in 2019 to jail terms ranging from 17 to 22 years.
But following the outbreak of the war, Hamas began calling on Libya to release its members.
Libya — which just months ago was in talks to normalize ties with Israel — heeded the call and freed the four members.
The four were photographed on a private jet to Istanbul earlier today. From there, they were expected to fly to Qatar, which continues to host Hamas’s leadership while brokering talks between the terror group and Israel.
Sounds like the US has a side deal going for our hostages, imo.
(There was an article I posted a few days ago which referenced simultaneous deals. Iirc it was the article talking about the release order of the 132 male captives and military (active duty, reservists, female soldiers, etc.), will look for it and add as eta, not sure if possibly related, Curious now for a refresh.)
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Eta:
2 days ago / JPost
This is the article I was thinking of:
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From same article:Follow up on the prisoner who didn't want to leave prison (because he didn't want to go back to Gaza and because he was receiving a paycheck in prison)
He was the only prisoner from Gaza
His parents' home is uninhabitable
His home is no longer inhabitable; it was badly damaged by bombing after his parents and siblings fled their home in Al Shouka, a village near Gaza’s southern border.
Now, like the vast majority of Gazans, they are internally displaced, unable to return home or to leave Gaza, living in a makeshift shelter in Rafah that lacks basic necessities.
Despite it all, Mr. Abu Sunaima’s return this week, during a brief respite from bombing thanks to the weeklong truce that included his release, was still joyful. He was greeted with warm hugs from his family and friends.
“I don’t have words to describe how I felt when I arrived in Gaza,” he said. “I wish all prisoners could feel the same.”
The temporary peace, allowed Mr. Abu Sunaima to travel back to Al Shouka to survey the damage.
He also learned that a friend, Ammar, around his age, had been killed.
Abu Sunaima’s father, Fathi, 40, said that Alaa was the oldest of his five children. The boy had “always been kind and never been a troublemaker,” he said.
“I don’t know what happened to him at the time,” he said of his arrest. “He must have listened to others.”
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Syrian air defences repelled an Israeli rocket attack against targets in the vicinity of Damascus early on Saturday, Syrian state media reported, adding that defences shot down most of the missiles.
The report, citing a military source, said the attack came from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights.
It said there were only material damages, Reuters reported.
49m ago
Israeli shelling killed three people in south Lebanon on Friday, Lebanon’s state news agency reported, as the collapse of a Israel-Hamas truce prompted a resumption of hostilities at the frontier.
The number rose after two people were earlier reported killed.
The Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah, a Hamas ally, later said two of those killed were its fighters. It also said it had carried out several attacks on Israeli military positions at the border in support Palestinians in Gaza, Reuters reports.
The Israeli army said its artillery struck sources of fire from Lebanon and that air defences had intercepted two launches. The army also said it struck a “terrorist cell”.
Sirens warning of possible incoming rockets sounded in several towns in northern Israel, sending residents running for shelter.
Lebanon’s state news agency reported that two people were killed by Israeli shelling in the Lebanese border town of Houla, and one person was killed in the village of Jebbayn.
www.theguardian.com
Syrian air defences repelled an Israeli rocket attack against targets in the vicinity of Damascus early on Saturday, Syrian state media reported, adding that defences shot down most of the missiles.
The report, citing a military source, said the attack came from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights.
It said there were only material damages, Reuters reported.
49m ago
Israeli shelling killed three people in south Lebanon on Friday, Lebanon’s state news agency reported, as the collapse of a Israel-Hamas truce prompted a resumption of hostilities at the frontier.
The number rose after two people were earlier reported killed.
The Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah, a Hamas ally, later said two of those killed were its fighters. It also said it had carried out several attacks on Israeli military positions at the border in support Palestinians in Gaza, Reuters reports.
The Israeli army said its artillery struck sources of fire from Lebanon and that air defences had intercepted two launches. The army also said it struck a “terrorist cell”.
Sirens warning of possible incoming rockets sounded in several towns in northern Israel, sending residents running for shelter.
Lebanon’s state news agency reported that two people were killed by Israeli shelling in the Lebanese border town of Houla, and one person was killed in the village of Jebbayn.
Israeli airstrikes hit near Damascus, says Syria – as it happened
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Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show
By Dominic Bailey, Erwan Rivault & Daniele Palumbo
BBC Visual Journalism and BBC Verify
Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show
Images commissioned by the BBC reveal the damage in Gaza before the recent temporary truce started.
I've never seen anything like that and the star of David emblazoned into the soil by tank tracks rather says it all.
I was criticised earlier on for using "land grab" / seems I got it spot on because that is a claim if I've ever seen one.
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The sad thing is that Libya was in talks to normalise relations with Israel.
One step forward may now be many steps back.
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A thought: Considering the large population packed into the Gaza Strip, maybe part of Hamas’ plan was also a form of free population control, free up more land and resources for themselves.
They knew Israel would fight back hard and many civilians’ lives would be lost as a result of their actions.
They knew Israel would fight back hard and many civilians’ lives would be lost as a result of their actions.
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