Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14

[margarita25]

Starting on a list of the dead hostages announced today (and this week), I might not have all names but here are some:


“Another four hostages taken by Hamas during the terror organization's rampage in southern Israel on October 7 were announced as being dead, Israeli security forces and media stated on Friday.” / source: JPost


1. Ofir Tzarfati, 27, soldier abducted from vicinity of Re'im base on October 7

2. Guy Ilouz, 26 - abducted from music festival, “killed in captivity”

3. Eliyahu Margalit, 75, “kidnapped by Hamas” and “murdered in Gaza”

4. Ofra Kidar, 70, Kibbutz Be'eri, “murdered in Gaza while held hostage by Hamas. Her body is currently being held by Hamas.”

Other “hostages whose deaths were confirmed today” / BBC

5. Arye Zalmanovich, 85

6. Eliyahu Margalit, 75

7. Maya Goren, 56


Announced Tuesday:

8. “Israel Defense Forces confirmed on Tuesday the death of hostage Ravid Katz, who was taken captive from Israel during the Hamas attack on October 7.” Source

 

[JennieM]

It's possible some of those children are simply lost or separated from family. jmo.

From the Associated Press: “The U.N. humanitarian affairs office estimates that about 2,700 people, including 1,500 children, are missing and believed buried in the ruins.”

Thousands of bodies lie buried in rubble in Gaza. Families dig to retrieve them, often by hand

Rescuers in Gaza don’t have the equipment to search properly for the living, let alone the dead.

apnews.com

 

[Brightchaser47]

From the Associated Press: “The U.N. humanitarian affairs office estimates that about 2,700 people, including 1,500 children, are missing and believed buried in the ruins.”

Thousands of bodies lie buried in rubble in Gaza. Families dig to retrieve them, often by hand

Rescuers in Gaza don’t have the equipment to search properly for the living, let alone the dead.

apnews.com

So at least some of them could still be alive, albeit maybe injured.

 

[JennieM]

So at least some of them could still be alive, albeit maybe injured.

I really don’t think so Brightchaser If they are buried under rubble and missing for a while, I don‘t think they are just injured.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Re the three released prisoners.

Yes they don't look malnourished.
I would think that is a good thing. A credit to the prison on the way they treat prisoners.

Locking people up is the punishment.

Depriving "any" prisoners of food to the point they became malnourished would be inhumane and uncivilised.

 

[SouthAussie]

Despite Australia issuing 880 temporary visas to Palestinians fleeing Gaza, the people are unable to get out of Gaza.

The visas were issued two weeks ago, and they are waiting and waiting for their names to go on the list at the Rafah crossing - once their names are on the list it is their turn to cross the border and start their journey to Australia.

One man is afraid that his house and family will be bombed before their names make it onto the list.

Another man says that he, his wife and 7 children have to walk for 7 hours to get to Khan Younis, and from there they can then take a taxi to the border - after their names make it onto the list. He said that sometimes the Israeli soldiers will take bribes to let families have safe passage.

Checkpoints, bribes and seven hours on foot. Here's what it takes to leave Gaza

Getting a visitor visa to come to Australia is one thing, getting out of Gaza is another matter entirely. We speak to people inside Gaza who have the visa about the huge challenges they face getting to the Rafa crossing and their relatives here in Australia who are worried sick if they’ll make...

www.abc.net.au

 

[Brightchaser47]

I really don’t think so Brightchaser If they are buried under rubble and missing for a while, I don‘t think they are just injured.

Understood. I was trying to be optimistic, as we've been trying to be optimistic about the hostages (even when we're told they're dead).

 

[JennieM]

WORLD NEWS

Israeli survivors of the Oct. 7 music festival attack seek to cope with trauma at a Cyprus retreat​

The trips to Cyprus are supported by NovaHelp, a group of mental heath professionals who came together to help survivors of the rave party, said Raskin. Financial support is provided by other charities and private businesses, including major accounting firms and Jewish American groups.

Israeli survivors of the Oct. 7 music festival attack seek to cope with trauma at a Cyprus retreat

Dozens of young Israeli men and women who survived the Oct. 7 Hamas massacre at a rave party in southern Israel have been taking part in support sessions to help deal with their trauma at a retreat in Cyprus.

apnews.com

 

[JennieM]

4m ago

More has come in on the reported Israeli strikes in Syria: an Agence France-Presse journalist in the Syrian capital reports hearing the loud sound of bombings.

Syria’s defence ministry said Israel carried out the airstrikes about 1.35am (1035 GMT) on Saturday “targeting some points near the city of Damascus”. They came from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights, it said, reporting no casualties.

Syria state television had earlier reported an “Israeli aggression near the capital”, AFP said.

Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes on its northern neighbour since Syria’s civil war began in 2011, primarily targeting Iran-backed forces and Lebanese Hezbollah fighters, as well as Syrian army positions.

But it has intensified attacks since its war with Hamas, a Hezbollah ally, began in October.

The Israeli army did not comment when asked by AFP about the latest strikes.

Rami Abdel Rahman, who heads the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitor, said Israel struck “Hezbollah targets” in the Sayyida Zeinab area south of Damascus.

Ambulances had rushed to the scene of the bombing, said the chief of the British-based monitor, which runs a network inside Syria.

Israeli air strikes on 26 November rendered Damascus airport inoperable just hours after flights resumed following a similar attack the month before.

Israel rarely comments on individual strikes targeting Syria, but has repeatedly said it will not allow arch-foe Iran to expand its presence there.

Israeli airstrikes hit near Damascus, says Syria – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

The trips to Cyprus are supported by NovaHelp, a group of mental heath professionals who came together to help survivors of the rave party, said Raskin. Financial support is provided by other charities and private businesses, including major accounting firms and Jewish American groups.

Israeli survivors of the Oct. 7 music festival attack seek to cope with trauma at a Cyprus retreat

Dozens of young Israeli men and women who survived the Oct. 7 Hamas massacre at a rave party in southern Israel have been taking part in support sessions to help deal with their trauma at a retreat in Cyprus.

apnews.com

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My word, the survivors' guilt for these young men, they couldn't rescue the females.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Starting on a list of the dead hostages announced today. Sadly it is going to require the full 60 minute editing time to find, ref, link them all and provide their reported details in one consolidated post.

Israel-Hamas war: IDF recovers hostage's body in Gaza, four more killed | The Jerusalem Post

Three more who had been kidnapped, and one other who was thought to have been, were declared dead on Friday.

m.jpost.com

“Another four hostages taken by Hamas during the terror organization's rampage in southern Israel on October 7were announced as being dead, Israeli security forces and media stated on Friday.”


1. Ofir Tzarfati - soldier abducted from vicinity of Re'im base on October 7

2. Guy Ilouz, 26 - abducted from music festival

3. “Later on Friday evening, Israeli media reported that another Israeli kidnapped by Hamas, Eliyahu Margalit, 75, had also been murdered in Gaza”

4. “Israeli media also announced that Ofra Kidar, 70, from Kibbutz Be'eri had been murdered in Gaza while held hostage by Hamas. Her body is currently being held by Hamas.”

additional from BBC / other “hostages whose deaths were confirmed today”

5. Arye Zalmanovich, 85

6. Eliyahu Margalit,75

7. Maya Goren, 56

8. Check kibbutz security, motorcycle, cats from today

Announced Tuesday:
9. “Israel Defense Forces confirmed on Tuesday the death of hostage Ravid Katz, who was taken captive from Israel during the Hamas attack on October 7.” Source

post in progress​

Do many of these have a family member that was recently released?

 

[margarita25]

Do many of these have a family member that was recently released?

Yes some do, iirc. Let me double check though. Overloaded.

Why do you ask, M4?

 

[Momoffourboys]

Sources have reportedly told Haaretz that almost every Arab Leader during “Behind-the-Scenes Talks” with Israeli Officials including several Gulf States have told them not to End the War with Hamas until the Terrorist Organization is Totally Destroyed with many seeing Hamas as a Domestic Enemy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730776481645637949

 

[Momoffourboys]

Yes some do, iirc. Let me double check though. Overloaded.

Why do you ask, M4?

I know Eliyahu Margalit’s daughter was released yesterday.

 

[fred&edna]

So let's just bomb, maim and kill innocent people yeah?

I'd imagine they were just living (sorry surviving) their lives.

Which is exactly what happens every time an Islamic terrorist strikes... innocent people die. Because of the massacre on Oct 7, IDF troops are trying to root out and kill terrorists... and I fully support that effort... Hamas is to blame.

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

36min ago

Heavy fighting reported in southern Gaza overnight after truce breakdown​

[...]

Extensive battles are reported in the Khan Younis area, according to Channel 12, amid intelligence that some of Hamas’s leadership is present in the city.

[...]

Gazans reported the IDF had dropped flyers in Khan Younis calling on residents to move south to Rafah, warning the area is dangerous.

The IDF earlier published a map splitting the Gaza Strip into hundreds of small zones, which it will use to notify Palestinian civilians of active combat zones.

It asked Palestinians to pay attention to their area’s number, and follow the IDF’s future updates.

The military may use this map to call on Palestinians from specific areas to evacuate when the IDF’s ground offensive expands to the Strip’s south, instead of demanding mass evacuations as it did in the northern part of Gaza.

“The IDF is operating strongly against terror organizations, while making great efforts to differentiate between civilians and terrorists,” the military said in a message to Gazans.

“The people of Gaza are not our enemies. For this reason, as of this morning the IDF is leading controlled and specific evacuations of Gaza residents in order to remove them as much as possible from areas of combat.”

 

[Brightchaser47]

Do many of these have a family member that was recently released?

Yes some do, iirc. Let me double check though. Overloaded.

Why do you ask, M4?

So do we think Hamas is systematically killing the captive relatives of hostages who've been released in retaliation?

 

[Momoffourboys]

So do we think Hamas is systematically killing the captive relatives of hostages who've been released in retaliation?

Either that, or the released family members witnessed their murder.

 

[Charlot123]

They ( Hamas ) slaughtered pregnant mothers and babies in the womb. I personally don't think they think about birth rate numbers at all.

Any country that is waging a war or is witnessing a population decline due to drug crisis is actually leaning that way. This might explain some conservative trends in many countries and while we think that it might be religion or something else, demographic underpinning is to be considered. I was looking at recent very conservatism in Eastern Europe (uncharacteristically so for the area) and thinking of it.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Either that, or the released family members witnessed their murder.

That's pretty gruesome, but it would definitely confirm their deaths...