Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14

[Momoffourboys]

There really is no public outrage that HAMAS continues to fire rockets at Israel.

There is no public outrage that HAMAS broke the ceasefire several times before the final time that ended it all.

There is no public outrage about what the HAMAS rockets are hitting (both inside Gaza and in Israel)

There is no public outrage about anyone being hit by HAMAS rockets and being hurt or killed.

Why is that?

HAMAS starts a war with Israel, continues to fire rockets into Israel, continues to hold over 100 hostages, refuses to let the Red Cross even see the hostages and all the world wants to talk about is Israel striking Gaza.

If they can’t blame Israel, it’s not news. IMO
Which brings to light the absolute hypocrisy of the loudmouths thousands of miles away, who could care less about the well being of the Palestinians. If they did, they would be demanding a ceasefire and return of the hostages from Hamas.

 

[SouthAussie]

Israel is planning to hunt down Hamas leaders around the world once it shifts away from fighting the group in Gaza, the Wall Street Journal reports.
Spy agencies have been ordered by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to draw up plans to assassinate the group’s top leaders outside of Gaza, who live in Turkey, Qatar and elsewhere, the paper reports, citing Israeli officials.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-drawing-up-plans-for-global-campaign-to-assassinate-hamas-leaders-report/

Earlier in November, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated at a press conference: "I have instructed the Mossad to act against the heads of Hamas wherever they are." At the same press conference, the nation's Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said the Hamas leaders were "marked for death.1 day ago

Israel Seeks To Kill Hamas Leaders Hiding Abroad After War ...​

Yes, that is what I was referring to .... "once it shifts away from fighting the group in Gaza" .... not before, as a priority.

imo

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1731065193357058181

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq claims responsibility for a drone attack on Harir base in Erbil, northern

 

[katydid23]

I was looking to see how many Israelis have been killed by the continuous Hamas rockets. And am not finding any statistics. Are they just lucky to not be being killed, or is the Iron Dome so effective that it is preserving Israeli lives? (Which is good imo, because I hate to see any innocents die, of any ethnicity.)

Whereas the Palestinians do not have an Iron Dome. So the death and destruction is widespread.

I think that may be what the world is seeing?

ETA: imo

But regardless of the effectiveness, the Israelis are still being bombed continuously, since 10/7. They still hear the explosions and run to the bomb shelters. But their government protects their people by building the Iron Dome.

Unlike Hamas, who does the opposite. Hamas uses their civilians as their shields. Hamas uses the people as their 'Iron Dome' so they don't get hurt just the families get killed, not the terrorists.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, that is what I was referring to .... "once it shifts away from fighting the group in Gaza" .... not before, as a priority.

imo

I am sure they are already working on that.

But they need to decimate the tunnels and the munitions supplies and as many terrorists as possible. Let the people know what happens if you join the extremists and let them see how it ends for them.

 

[SouthAussie]

But regardless of the effectiveness, the Israelis are still being bombed continuously, since 10/7. They still hear the explosions and run to the bomb shelters. But their government protects their people by building the Iron Dome.

Unlike Hamas, who does the opposite. Hamas uses their civilians as their shields. Hamas uses the people as their 'Iron Dome' so they don't get hurt just the families get killed, not the terrorists.

Understood.
Which is leading, and has led, to the deaths of thousands of innocents who are unable to protect themselves.

imo

 

[margarita25]

Rsbm/BBM -Al-Arouri claims that Hamas has released all the women and children kidnapped on October 7 as well as all the foreign prisoners, and that the remaining hostages in its hands are all soldiers or former soldiers.

Israel says Hamas continues to hold 15 women and two small children who were to be released under a truce deal, which ended Friday.

Remaining hostages include soldiers as well as older men, some of whom still serve in the IDF reserves, Al-Arouri claims.

Rsbm
The terror chief says Hamas is ready to exchange bodies of Israeli hostages for bodies of Hamas terrorists held by Israel, but that it needs time to exhume the dead Israelis – who it claims were all killed in IDF bombardments.

BBM:

“The terror chief says Hamas is ready to exchange bodies of Israeli hostages for bodies of Hamas terrorists held by Israel, but that it needs time to exhume the dead Israelis – who it claims were all killed in IDF bombardments.”

Bodies for Bodies.


Eta:
So, on the list of recently announced dead hostages, how many out of those 9 bodies are they holding. I know #1 was returned. Then if we add Shiri, Kfir and Ariel, IF what Hamas claims is true, that they’re deceased, then that’s 11 bodies right there.

Eta2: And re: claim “that the remaining hostages in its hands are all soldiers or former soldiers,” what is that total number. There are five female soldiers, iirc. Will need to go through available information and find out the total number of current and former soldiers, etc.

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730928292708889055

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730928292708889055

THIS ^^ may be one of those "poor innocent civilian homes" that everyone cries about the IDF destroying.

jmo

 

[SouthAussie]

THIS ^^ may be one of those "poor innocent civilian homes" that everyone cries about the IDF destroying.

jmo

And it may not be. I don't think anyone has a problem with pinpoint accuracy. But there is far too much "collateral damage".

The US has asked that Israel be more discerning in what they are doing. Yet hundreds of innocents are still being killed. Maybe that is hundreds less than what occurred in the north. IDK

imo

 

[Dotta]

It seems that peace and normalcy is a very distant prospect for this region.

It might even not return ever.

What a shame

It might destroy this land completely.
Isolation, animosity around the world - who in their right mind will ever visit this region?

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

And it may not be. I don't think anyone has a problem with pinpoint accuracy. But there is far too much "collateral damage".

The US has asked that Israel be more discerning in what they are doing. Yet hundreds of innocents are still being killed. Maybe that is hundreds less than what occurred in the north. IDK

imo

And, the blame falls distinctly in the lap of Hamas. Hamas IS responsible for any "collateral" deaths and destruction of homes in Gaza.

jmo

 

[Momoffourboys]

BBM:



Bodies for Bodies.


Eta:
So, on the list of recently announced dead hostages, how many out of those 9 bodies are they holding. I know #1 was returned. Then if we add Shiri, Kfir and Ariel, IF what Hamas claims is true, that they’re deceased, then that’s 11 bodies right there.

Eta2: And re: claim “that the remaining hostages in its hands are all soldiers or former soldiers,” what is that total number. There are five female soldiers, iirc. Will need to go through available information and find out the total number of current and former soldiers, etc.

Almost every Israeli citizen (men and women) over the age of 21 is either a reservist or retired IDF. There are some who are exempt for various reasons.
IMO they released the hostages who were in the “best shape” and the ones they are holding are not good for PR, if released.

 

[SouthAussie]

And, the blame falls distinctly in the lap of Hamas.

jmo

To me, it doesn't matter who is to blame. It doesn't save those innocent lives ... all of that "collateral damage".
There is a responsibility on responsible nations to preserve innocent lives - at times of war, and otherwise.

imo

 

[margarita25]

Possible Clue / NYT - November 20, 2023

Israel’s Attackers Took About 240 Hostages. Here’s What to Know About Them.

The country’s military said roughly 240 people had been taken hostage during the Hamas attack. Just four have been released; one has been rescued.

www.nytimes.com

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“Where are the hostages being held?​

Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas’s armed wing, claimed in the days after Oct. 7 that the group had hidden “dozens of hostages” in “safe places and the tunnels of the resistance.””


So, PIJ vs. PRC…(still could be both, various, or he’s just meaning “resistance” to Israel in general.


Quick PRC ref:

“The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC; Arabic: لجان المقاومة الشعبية, Lijān al-Muqāwama al-Shaʿbiyya) is a coalition of a number of armed Palestinian groups opposed to what they regard as the conciliatory approach of the Palestinian Authority and Fatah towards Israel.” (Wikipedia)

Country Report on Terrorism

Country Report on Terrorism -- Israel

2001-2009.state.gov

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“…Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the Fatah-linked al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB), HAMAS, and the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) were responsible for most of these attacks…..” ​

(Eta, note, I had referenced PRC for something else maybe about a week ago, can’t remember exact reason atm.)

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The Green Prince affirmed on Cuomo video that other groups could be in possession hostages.

 

[katydid23]

Understood.
Which is leading, and has led, to the deaths of thousands of innocents who are unable to protect themselves.

imo

That's truly tragic and really unfortunate. Nobody is happy with that outcome. But it is the horrid set of choices that are forcing Israel to choose option A or Option B.

Hamas is promising to continue committing their atrocities upon Isreal's children. They say it will be bigger next time. And their goal is to exterminate the Jews.

So what should Israel do? Should they ignore those threats like they did last September? Everyone is criticising them for ignoring those earlier threats and allowing Hamas to attack their people.

Option A: protect Israel's children by eradicating as many terrorists, tunnels and as much munitions as they can.

Option B: Protect Palestinians by ceasing the bombing.

 

[katydid23]

To me, it doesn't matter who is to blame. It doesn't save those innocent lives ... all of that "collateral damage".
There is a responsibility on responsible nations to preserve innocent lives - at times of war, and otherwise.

imo

They have to choose whom they want to protect. Their own people or the Palestinians---who want to exterminate the Israelis.

 

[Mex]

No, victims of war are not murder victims. Hamas declared WAR upon Israel on 10/7.

Those babies were abandoned by the doctors. The same doctors who were colluding with Hamas for years. They could have evacuated 5 babies but they didn't do so. That's on them.

Hardly worth repeating myself about the circumstance in which these five infants were left without care and support which caused their starvation and death. Denial about the circumstances which sealed the fate of these most vulnerable of children is evident by the suggestion that

• those five little souls were abandoned by the doctors caring for them
• abandoned by nursing staff
• abandoned by their parents should they have survived onslaught from bombs from the air or shells from tanks on the ground
• abandoned by the Israeli officer who took the report of their existence and medical condition and who was the only person with the authority to allow their evacuation

Why on earth was a hospital - its staff - its patients whatever their age or their medical condition, evacuated anyway!

OK, if my definition of murder is the wrong one I'll settle for war crimes.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's truly tragic and really unfortunate. Nobody is happy with that outcome. But it is the horrid set of choices that are forcing Israel to choose option A or Option B.

Hamas is promising to continue committing their atrocities upon Isreal's children. They say it will be bigger next time. And their goal is to exterminate the Jews.

So what should Israel do? Should they ignore those threats like they did last September? Everyone is criticising them for ignoring those earlier threats and allowing Hamas to attack their people.

Option A: protect Israel's children by eradicating as many terrorists, tunnels and as much munitions as they can.

Option B: Protect Palestinians by ceasing the bombing.

If it was me (and I was just thinking how very fortunate I am, to live where I live, as we all are), I would go for Option C.

Preserve Palestinian lives and go full-force after all of the leaders who have exiled themselves. Utilising Mossad, CIA, ASIO, etc. While keeping that Iron Dome firmly in place while I did that.

imo

 

[Dotta]

Almost every Israeli citizen (men and women) over the age of 21 is either a reservist

Does this mean that all these people will be serving in the Army in coming years in never ending war?

Who will work then?
I doubt any foreign workers (Thai, for example) will eagerly flood this land.

JMO