Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #4

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Israel-Hamas war live updates: Foreign national Palestinians can cross from Gaza into Egypt on Monday, officials say (nbcnews.com)
20m ago / 6:40 PM PDT

Disabled children in harm's way of possible ground attack​

Nearly two dozen children living in the Mabarit Rahme orphanage in northern Gaza could be among the most vulnerable civilians in a possible ground attack.

Of the 22 young residents there, 12 have special needs, and they're under the care of just two adults as staffers fled from what could be a devastating invasion.

Despite Israeli warnings to leave northern Gaza, many Palestinians have been reluctant move out of fear they could be bombed on the roads. The concern is rooted in an incident Friday, when 70 Palestinians were killed, medical officials said, when an Israeli airstrike allegedly hit a convoy of civilians.

The Israeli military today denied any involvement in the carnage and accused Hamas of planting roadside explosives to frighten civilians to stay put in the north and act as human shields.
 
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Israel-Hamas war live updates: Foreign national Palestinians can cross from Gaza into Egypt on Monday, officials say (nbcnews.com)
29m ago / 6:21 PM PDT

IDF spokesman says convoy fleeing northern Gaza wasn't intentionally ‘targeted’​

When asked Sunday evening if Israel is responsible for the bombing of a convoy of people attempting to flee northern Gaza, killing 70 Palestinians, IDF Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus said Israeli forces had not specifically targeted that location and that “it may have been an incident of fire around it.

“We’re in a war zone, and when in war, lots of things happen at the same time,” Conricus said, quoting another official saying, “clearly we have not targeted any convoy, any civilians on that road, specifically on that road and nowhere else in general, but specifically to that location. Clearly no purposeful targeting.”

He added, “It may have been an incident of fire around it, but that is very unlikely.”

When pressed by NBC’s Tom Llamas, Conricus then explicitly said Hamas was responsible.

“We assess that it was Hamas who staged these explosions,” he said. “But I want to be on the safe side and say, you know, things can happen in war. But there was definitely nothing purposeful. And I think that the investigation should be looking at who would stand to gain from such a convoy being attacked, specifically on the route that we made sure would be open for evacuation. And the answer is clear. The organization that stands to gain from this is Hamas.”

Conricus also addressed whether or not the Israeli government with negotiate for hostages saying, “I don’t think that Israel is looking to negotiate. What we are going to do is to dismantle Hamas, its military leadership, its military capabilities, so that at the end of this war there.”
Bbm.
It's as if Israel can't say or do anything (to attempt to avoid civilian casualties).
Hamas is going to make sure there are plenty anyway, and blame the IDF in the process !
:mad:
Omo.
 
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2m ago

[…] Ruth Michaelson has written this explainer about the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt and why Egypt has closed it.

In essence, Cairo fears that any exodus of Palestinians to its Sinai peninsula could become permanent, while Palestinians worry that Israel may not allow them back to their homes in Gaza.

Egyptian president Abdel-Fatah al-Sisi alluded to concerns about the consequences of an exodus of Palestinians from Gaza last week, saying that allowing them to settle in the Sinai, even temporarily, would be tantamount to allowing Israel to control an emptied Gaza Strip.

Egypt is also in the throes of a major economic crisis making the prospect of accepting refugees a challenging one. Egypt’s last remaining independent news outlet, Mada Masr, reported that while Cairo had rejected any suggestion of a mass displacement from Gaza into the Sinai, it was still “coming under pressure from western countries who are also offering economic incentives in an effort to come to a deal”.


Rafah border crossing: could Egypt open it to fleeing Palestinians?

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Rafah border crossing: could Egypt open it to fleeing Palestinians?

 
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Hamas commanders are allegedly training school-aged children to defend Gaza as thousands of Israeli troops prepare to storm the border, it has emerged.

Terrorists are training children as young as 14 for battle, with some even younger apparently being trained in military drills and weapons skills, an Israeli emergency responder unit has claimed.
South First Responders (SFR) shared photos and videos of the
alleged training on Telegram yesterday. The footage was reportedly captured on body-worn cameras that were taken from terrorists' corpses.
All emphasis mine.

Sad, but not surprising.
Notice the word, "alleged" ?
If they have found this evidence, I wish they'd show it to the public ?
People need to know what is happening.

If Hamas is doing this, I believe it's child abuse.
Not like they'd care considering their actions last week, but still.

I've checked around to find other links for Hamas in particular training child soldiers, but there are prob. other countries who practice this ?
Omo.
Russia does the same thing. It's been reported that it's part of the school curriculum. MOO

ETA: Not that I agree with it one little bit! :mad:
 
  • #325
In essence, Cairo fears that any exodus of Palestinians to its Sinai peninsula could become permanent, while Palestinians worry that Israel may not allow them back to their homes in Gaza.
I don't blame theme for thinking that.
 
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Rockets killed his niece. This Bedouin officer still rushed to fight​

Major R. fought Hamas terrorists last Saturday despite his own personal tragedy.​


Major R., a Bedouin police officer and a resident of Mak'khul, found himself confronting hostilities just minutes after losing six of his family members and friends to rocket strikes on their community. This extraordinary account unfolds through his exclusive documentation of the events.

"I woke up to several explosions near my home in the Negev on that fateful Saturday morning, realizing that we were in the midst of war," he said. "Despite being on my day off, I immediately contacted my commanding officer and requested to report to the station because there were reports of approaching terrorists.

"As I left my house, I witnessed another rocket strike, which resulted in the tragic loss of my niece and her grandmother. Moments later, I received another call about yet another rocket attack, claiming the lives of four more acquaintances. Our families were being devastated."

The officer explained that he swiftly made his way to the station and headed toward the Negev Guard.

'I rushed to provide medical assistance'​

"Upon arrival, I was met with a scene of numerous casualties, clearly indicating the presence of terrorists in Sderot, although the extent of the danger was still unknown," he further recalled. "We did everything we could to assist the wounded, and I personally directed many of them to Be'er Sheva. When I received a report about a fellow officer who was gravely injured, I rushed to provide medical assistance because I am also a trained medic."

Major R. then left Sderot and headed to Kibbutz Re'im.
"As we approached Re'im, we encountered terrorists who had seized an RPG launcher," he said. "At the entrance, I encountered two fellow officers from the standby unit. Without hesitation, I opened fire, entered the building, and moved from room to room. I was accompanied by soldiers from Negev Military Intelligence."

Inside the kibbutz, the officers encountered a terrorist barricaded in a house.

The battle continued for hours​

"I positioned myself at a window while another officer threw two grenades," Major R. noted. "We pressed against the wall to shield ourselves from the explosion. At one point, I leaped into the open area without a helmet or bulletproof vest, presenting an easy target. They hurled a grenade, and I had nowhere to hide. Miraculously, I escaped unharmed. We regrouped and fired at the house. I had only two rounds left, which I quickly expended. While engaged in the intense firefight, I managed to secure additional ammunition."

The battle continued for hours, until the arrival of the IDF.

"When the regular army troops arrived, they assumed control, and I was finally able to stand down," Major R. said. "I returned to my station's assigned duties. My superiors had advised me to return midway, but I was determined to remain engaged and provide assistance until the very end. We faced numerous challenges and witnessed the loss of many valiant comrades. My sole purpose was to do everything within my power to help as many people as possible."


 
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Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #8​


14 Oct 2023


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Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #9​


15 Oct 2023


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  • #328
Russia does the same thing. It's been reported that it's part of the school curriculum. MOO

ETA: Not that I agree with it one little bit! :mad:
So, so wrong...:(
 
  • #329

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #9​


15 Oct 2023

KEY POINTS

  • Heavy Israeli bombardments on Gaza, from the air, sea and land, have continued almost uninterrupted. Over the past 24 hours (as of 22:00), there have been Palestinian 455 fatalities in Gaza and 856 injuries, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza.
  • Mass displacement from the north to the south of the Gaza Strip has continued since Israel’s evacuation order on Friday. By Saturday afternoon, nearly 600,000 internally displaced people (IDPs) were hosted in the central and southern parts of Gaza alone, in increasingly dire conditions; since then, this figure has raised significantly.
  • Palestinian armed groups in Gaza continued firing rockets indiscriminately towards Israeli population centres, including at the Tel Aviv metropolitan area. No Israeli fatalities were reported during the past 24 hours (as of 21:00) in this context, but dozens were wounded.
  • An almost full evacuation of Sderot city, in southern Israel, was completed today (Sunday). Smaller Israeli communities around Gaza have been fully vacated in previous days, while a large proportion of Ashqelon city’s residents have also reportedly left.
  • Today (Sunday), Israel partially resumed water supply to the eastern Khan Younis area. Concerns about dehydration and waterborne diseases remain high given the collapse of water and sanitation services, including today’s shutdown of Gaza’s last functioning seawater desalination plant.
  • Fuel reserves at all hospitals across Gaza are expected to last for about additional 24 hours. The shutdown of backup generators would place the lives of thousands of patients at risk.
  • On Sunday, the UN Deputy Special Coordinator and Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator for the oPt Lynn Hastings, called for a humanitarian ceasefire.
  • In the West Bank, since Saturday afternoon, Israeli forces killed one Palestinian boy and another boy died from wounds sustained previously, bringing the fatality toll by Israeli forces since 7 October to 56 Palestinians, including 15 children.

 
  • #330
Attaching article as not sure if everyone has access to US media links, Retired
Gen Petraeus has insight from military and CIA experience including his admitted failures.


Gen. David Petraeus: Hamas' attack on Israel was "far worse than 9/11"


BY DAVID MARTIN
OCTOBER 15, 2023 / 9:57 AM / CBS NEWS

Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who commanded America's wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, knows from experience what Israel is facing in its war against Hamas – sending an army, even one as powerful as Israel's, into the densely-populated neighborhoods of Gaza. "This is going to be a very, very tough fight," he told CBS News. "I almost can't imagine a more challenging contextual set of circumstances here than what they face.

"There are tunnels; there will be rooms that will have improvised explosive devices," he said. "You have to clear every building, every floor, every room, every basement, every tunnel. Civilian losses are inevitable, and tough Israeli losses lie ahead as well."
Petraeus, along with British historian Andrew Roberts, has just written a book titled "Conflict," a word which has come to define the century which began on 9/11. Last week's surprise attack by Hamas terrorists is, Petraeus said, "far worse than 9/11."

As horrific as 9/11 was, the October 7 attack on Israel killed a far greater proportion of its much smaller population. "This is the equivalent of the U.S. having experienced over 40,000 losses, rather than the 3,000 terrible losses that we sustained in the attacks of 9/11," said Petraeus.

On September 11, it was planes; on October 7, it was thousands of rockets and fighters, even gliders. "The complexity of what they did was really quite extraordinary," Petraeus said.
Martin asked, "Were you surprised by the sophistication of the attack?" “Yes," he replied. "Actually, I was more surprised that there just wasn't the awareness of what was being planned."

Petraeus was once director of the CIA, and can't understand how both Israeli and American intelligence missed preparations for the attack: "This is a very substantial operation, and the planning of it alone would have been very considerable; then, the training and equipping and positioning of forces, then the actual conduct of it. That all of that could take place and not spark much increased military readiness is really quite stunning."
Martin asked, "How do you account for it?" “Dramatic improvement in Hamas' operational security," Petraeus replied. "Very, very creative use of these munitions and capabilities to degrade dramatically, in some cases knock out, the Israeli ability to see what is going around this quite formidable iron fence that was established."
When asked if Israel underestimated its enemy, Petraeus replied, "No question about it."
Martin asked, "What do you think Hamas hoped to achieve with this attack?" “What their leaders have said was to get the world's attention."

"Could the Hamas objective have been as simple as 'kill Jews'?” “That's always [their] objective," Petraeus replied. "Destroy Israel."

Hamas killed Jews, but did not destroy Israel. And now, Israel has vowed to destroy Hamas.

Asked how this will end, Petraeus said, "If the mission to the Israeli military is to destroy Hamas, if you have to destroy every headquarters, if you have to capture or kill the bulk of the leaders, if you have to do the same with the bulk of these terrorist fighters, the question is then, what do you do with Gaza once you retake it? You can't walk away from Gaza." “If Hamas is destroyed, there will be a power vacuum in Gaza which Israel can't ignore. "This is a very tough decision, if you're going to have to reoccupy and administer Gaza again," Petraeus said. "Because clearly you can't go in, destroy the Hamas infrastructure, and then leave, because again, they will reinstitute themselves."

"And what happens to the people of Gaza?" Martin asked. “Well, they're going to suffer, and Hamas has brought this on them."

President Biden has promised to back Israel to the hilt, sending two aircraft carrier strike groups off the coast, as well as flying in fresh stocks of munitions. And with its own invasion of Iraq, the U.S. also has left Israel with an object lesson in the perils of over-reacting to a terrorist attack.

"We've made mistakes, which is what happens when a nation gets its blood up," said Martin. "Israel certainly has its blood up now."

“There should be a cautionary tale from our experiences in the wake of the 9/11 attack," Petraeus said. "Some of the actions that we took, we look at differently now. And there will come a time where some of the actions that will be taken by Israel will be looked at in a different way as well. I actually think that there is a consciousness of this in Jerusalem."
 
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5:02 am

Fifth Canadian confirmed dead in Hamas assault

The Canadian government has confirmed the death of a fifth citizen in Israel after a series of attacks by Hamas terrorists.

Separately, Canadians in the besieged Gaza Strip still have no way to get out.

Global Affairs Canada says three other Canadians who were in Israel when the attacks happened October 7 are still missing. Officials did not provide details of the fifth person who died or those who are missing, citing privacy considerations.

Julie Sunday, an assistant deputy minister with Global Affairs Canada, says the government is still working to get up to 300 Canadians and their relatives out of Gaza as Israel gears up for an expected ground invasion.
 
  • #332
Russia does the same thing. It's been reported that it's part of the school curriculum. MOO

ETA: Not that I agree with it one little bit! :mad:
The terrorist dictators might want to rethink that strategy. Russian soldiers in the Ukraine ain't happy!! Unhappy soldiers don't win wars.

JMO


the calls appeared to confirm some Russian forces were thrown into defensive operations with little preparation and were sustaining high casualties, sowing tensions between soldiers and commanders.
 
  • #333
Russia does the same thing. It's been reported that it's part of the school curriculum. MOO

ETA: Not that I agree with it one little bit! :mad:
I'm not sure about Russia or other countries, but in mine we have so called
Education for safety (EDB)
It is a subject taught in primary and secondary schools as one hour per week.

The scope of teaching includes broadly understood civil defence, methods of protection against various threats and preparation for dealing with disasters.
During their studies, students are also trained in first aid.
 
  • #334
27 min ago

Palestinian statehood "has long been put on hold," Chinese foreign minister says​

From CNN’s Beijing bureau and Larry Register

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Sunday reiterated Beijing’s support for an independent Palestinian state as a way out of the conflict in Israel and Gaza.
In a phone call with his Iranian counterpart, Wang presented China as a peace broker, saying Beijing would “stand on the side of peace and justice and to support the Palestinian people in their just cause of safeguarding their national rights.”

“The fundamental reason for the situation in Palestine and Israel to have developed to the present stage is that the Palestinian people's right to statehood has long been put on hold”, Wang told Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, according to a readout from China’s Foreign Ministry.

"This historical injustice should be brought to an end as soon as possible," he said.
In a separate call with Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, Wang called for a ceasefire, the opening of humanitarian aid routes to Gaza and the resumption of dialogue between Israel and Palestinian authorities.

Without mentioning Israel, he said, “the right to self-defence should be exercised in compliance with international humanitarian law and not at the expense of innocent civilian casualties,” according to a Chinese Foreign Ministry readout.

Some context: China has long supported a "two-state solution" to establish an independent Palestinian state. Both Israel and the United States have expressed strong dissatisfaction to China for not strongly condemning Hamas’ deadly and brutal attacks against Israelis on October 7, and for not showing support to Israel following the massacre.

 
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30m ago

UK prime minister Rishi Sunak will address British MPs on Monday about the escalating crisis in Israel and Gaza.

Sunak is expected to use his Commons statement to set out how the UK is supporting Israel and aiding British nationals caught in the fighting, while also detailing ministers’ response to the humanitarian situation inside Gaza.

King Abdullah II of Jordan was welcomed to Downing Street on Sunday evening, as the ruler embarked on a diplomatic tour of Europe to rally international support to stop the war. Number 10 said that the prime minister would hold talks with other leaders and international partners in the days to come, as the conflict showed little sign of coming to a swift conclusion.

UK foreign secretary James Cleverly indicated on Sunday that about 10 British people are currently being held hostage by Hamas, telling Sky News that such a figure was “not an unreasonable estimate”.

 
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1m ago
Palestinians in Gaza said Israel’s bombing campaign overnight was the heaviest since it launched its retaliatory attacks last week, Reuters reports.

Bombardment was especially heavy in Gaza City, with airstrikes hitting the areas around two of the city’s main hospitals, they said.

Authorities in Gaza said at least 2,670 people had so far been killed by Israel’s retaliatory strikes, a quarter of them children, and nearly 10,000 wounded. Another 1,000 people were missing and believed to be under rubble.

 
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27 min ago

Palestinian statehood "has long been put on hold," Chinese foreign minister says​

From CNN’s Beijing bureau and Larry Register

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Sunday reiterated Beijing’s support for an independent Palestinian state as a way out of the conflict in Israel and Gaza.
In a phone call with his Iranian counterpart, Wang presented China as a peace broker, saying Beijing would “stand on the side of peace and justice and to support the Palestinian people in their just cause of safeguarding their national rights.”



"This historical injustice should be brought to an end as soon as possible," he said.
In a separate call with Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, Wang called for a ceasefire, the opening of humanitarian aid routes to Gaza and the resumption of dialogue between Israel and Palestinian authorities.

Without mentioning Israel, he said, “the right to self-defence should be exercised in compliance with international humanitarian law and not at the expense of innocent civilian casualties,” according to a Chinese Foreign Ministry readout.

Some context: China has long supported a "two-state solution" to establish an independent Palestinian state. Both Israel and the United States have expressed strong dissatisfaction to China for not strongly condemning Hamas’ deadly and brutal attacks against Israelis on October 7, and for not showing support to Israel following the massacre.

China thinks it is a "peace broker"? Seriously? The hypocrisy is astounding.

JMO

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UK could be complicit in Gaza war crimes, Tory MP warns​

The UK could be complicit in war crimes in Gaza and could face legal action if it does not do more to "restrain" Israel, Tory MP Crispin Blunt has warned.

The International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) - of which Mr Blunt is co-director - announced it has written a notice of intention to prosecute UK government officials for "aiding and abetting war crimes in Gaza".

The move comes in response to Israel's warning for 1.2 million people living in the northern part of the Gaza Strip to immediately leave their homes and move south.

Mr Blunt told Sky News he is "not sure [his] colleagues have grasped the legal peril they are in" and "everyone must act to restrain people" if they know war crimes are going to happen.

"If you know that a party is going to commit a war crime - and this forcible transfer of people is a precise breach of one of the statutes that governs international law and all states in this area - then you are making yourself complicit," he said.

[…]

 
  • #339
I'm not sure about Russia or other countries, but in mine we have so called
Education for safety (EDB)
It is a subject taught in primary and secondary schools as one hour per week.

The scope of teaching includes broadly understood civil defence, methods of protection against various threats and preparation for dealing with disasters.
During their studies, students are also trained in first aid.
We're getting a bit off topic (and it's my fault!) but I can understand first aid and disaster training. That's not what's going on in Russia though. They're training school kids with LIVE ammunition.

Pro-war ideology is drilled into Russia's children as playgrounds become parade grounds | CNN
 
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500,000 people have left northern Gaza: IDF​

Adrian Chiculita
Live reporter

We’ve heard in the last hour from Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus, the International Spokesperson of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF).

He said IDF estimates some 500,000 people have left northern Gaza so far and accused Hamas of making it difficult for those trying to move south.

IDF is maintaining two safe evacuation routes, he said, and as the military operation moves towards an "enhanced" phase, it would be unsafe for civilians to stay in Gaza City.

Asked about a bombing on Friday which killed a reported 70 people on a road identified as safe by the Israeli army, Lt Col Conricus repeated that IDF does not actively target civilians.

But at one point during the briefing he appeared to acknowledge that the nature of the operation means it’s not always possible to avoid civilian casualties.

“We strike Hamas, we strike their infrastructure and we are actively hunting commanders... When you’re hunting a live target, which may be on the move, we’re probably not able to use the same type of tactics that minimises collateral damage like early warning and roof knockings for obvious reasons – because then the person would know they’re being targeted and could escape.”

 
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