Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[Simply Southern]

Incendiary comments/views help no one, and as we do not yet know the Truth, no US representative should comment/place blame. This will inflame an already on fire situation. Anyone in any government position should know better, and his comment should be removed.

We do know the truth. The NSC, the President and more have stated it was not an Israel missile.

In the US we all have a right to speak our opinions, even when some disagree.
Moo

 

[Momoffourboys]

Burnt body of boy who fled to attic during Hamas onslaught uncovered 11 days later​

ZAKA emergency volunteers have uncovered the burnt body of a boy roughly 5 years old in the attic of a home on the southern border. The building was apparently set on fire by Hamas terrorists during their October 7 onslaught.

Burnt body of boy who fled to attic during Hamas onslaught uncovered 11 days later

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Sundog]

Israel Police say 732 civilians have so far been identified, , an estimated 80% of the civilian casualties from the Hamas attack So far, 607 of the bodies have been moved for burial

https://x.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1714640567068430716?s=20

Glad to see IDF calling them out.

BBC is a state-funded media outlet that has a policy of not using the term "terrorist" to describe Hamas, even though the UK's official position is that Hamas is a terrorist organization. And the BBC is funded by the government. Shameful, IMO.

 

[Chimera]

We do know the truth. The NSC, the President and more have stated it was not an Israel missile.

In the US we all have a right to speak our opinions, even when some disagree.
Moo

Bbm.
Agreed 100 %.

The potus would have access to more intel. than most if not all of us -- both here and elsewhere -- who are following this war.
I don't think he would make this statement lightly.
Omo.

 

[Simply Southern]

US Mainstream Media is full of BS, and unreliable overall, as soo many facts are often left out of stories. Most TV personalities are just News Readers, and know nothing...Not Investigative Journalists. I so miss Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings...

It's hard to deny photos, aerial surveillance from the event. The news is coming directly from our President.

The media is showing actual video.

What facts are being left out?
Moo

 

[Sundog]

BREAKING: Israel’s war cabinet will allow the entry of humanitarian aid from Egypt following a request by U.S. President Biden, Israel’s PM office says. This will be limited to food, water & medicine for the civilian population. “Any supplies that reach Hamas will be thwarted.”

https://x.com/ariel_oseran/status/1714650273086591128?s=20

Great diplomacy at work.
A win-win for Biden and Netanyahu.

And ultimately for Palestinians living in Gaza.

 

[Momoffourboys]

It's hard to deny photos, aerial surveillance from the event. The news is coming directly from our President.

The media is showing actual video.

What facts are being left out?
Moo

You can’t expect those who “needed” photos of beheaded babies (and still don’t believe that) to believe aerial surveillance shots And actual video.

 

[Simply Southern]

BREAKING: Israel’s war cabinet will allow the entry of humanitarian aid from Egypt following a request by U.S. President Biden, Israel’s PM office says. This will be limited to food, water & medicine for the civilian population. “Any supplies that reach Hamas will be thwarted.”

https://x.com/ariel_oseran/status/1714650273086591128?s=20

I noticed fuel is not on the list.

 

[fred&edna]

Maybe because this wouldn’t have been the first time? During the May 2021 Israeli- Palestinian conflict:

“Israel then began a campaign of airstrikes against Gaza; by 16 May, some 950 targeted attacks had demolished, completely or partially: 18 buildings, including four high-rise towers; 40 schools and four hospitals”

2021 Israel–Palestine crisis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Editing to add that I am not inferring Israel had anything to do with the recent hospital bombing, but there is precedent so sadly, it wasn’t an outlandish possibility, IMO.

It ain't easy spending years living next door to someone who likely believes, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day...until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."—Surat At-Tawbah

jmo

 

[cottonweaver]

Glad to see IDF calling them out.

BBC is a state-funded media outlet that has a policy of not using the term "terrorist" to describe Hamas, even though the UK's official position is that Hamas is a terrorist organization. And the BBC is funded by the government. Shameful, IMO.

'Its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee which is charged to all British households'

BBC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is quite common for UK TV channels not to adopt editorial decisions based on Government decisions.

BBC uses the word terrorist in it's articles and reports typically when it's attributed to a source. For example
Person X said ' the terrorists Hamas are...'

Both Sky & ITV also typically don't use the phrase either - it's quite unusual to hear it on Sky during this Israel- Hamas conflict. 'They'll tend to say something like Hamas fighters attacked or killed ....' etc

I could go on and explain at length but I'll leave it there. Lots of misinfo on the whys and hows

 

[Cedars]

Great post: why were all these news outlets and others so ready to believe Israel did this- I just knew they didn't - they would not target a hospital but besides that there apparently is proof they didn't.

I think your post is based on a misunderstanding about journalistic reporting in a war zone. Firstly, journalists are not writing about what they "believe", they are just the conduit, to convey what has happened and what is being said. They reported on what the Palestinian Health Authority said. If they were to refuse to report what was said, because they are biased against the local government, then a) they are not journalists and b) will lose their credentials as journalists, and will be excluded from the list of those who are allowed inside Palestine to report on the war.

Secondly, it is not the job of journalists to create "Truth". For example, journalists don't decide whether an accused murderer actually committed a crime, that's up to police, judge, jury, and readers to figure out. They just want to give readers the information, so their readers will keep reading, so they will continue to have a job.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

I find it useful to look at Al Jezeera for an English language taste of what might be broadcasting to people in Arab countries. Note: this is not a good idea for anyone who can't tolerate that some people see things differently than they do.

JMO

It's not about reporting that sees things differently than others do. It is about reporting facts versus information that supports a certain narrative.

 

[cottonweaver]

I think your post is based on a misunderstanding about journalistic reporting in a war zone. Firstly, journalists are not writing about what they "believe", they are just the conduit, to convey what has happened and what is being said. They reported on what the Palestinian Health Authority said. If they were to refuse to report what was said, because they are biased against the local government, then a) they are not journalists and b) will lose their credentials as journalists, and will be excluded from the list of those who are allowed inside Palestine to report on the war.

Secondly, it is not the job of journalists to create "Truth". For example, journalists don't decide whether an accused murderer actually committed a crime, that's up to police, judge, jury, and readers to figure out. They just want to give readers the information, so their readers will keep reading, so they will continue to have a job.

JMO

Plus I think the current tally is around 20 reporters dead or injured, to date, just in the last 8 days or so.

When there's a Sky TV /BBC/any channel reporter, in the middle of potentially hostile crowds, or on ' enemy territory' I'd prefer they were safe rather than speaking into the camera about ' Terrorist Group X, Y, Z'

We've had a bit of an issue with reporters being attacked here, accused of bias and of course we've also seen that abroad. ( Covid, Brexit etc)

The other issue is BBC is trying to hold onto its World Service. It is the world's largest external broadcaster, reporting every day in 28 languages, across every Continent. ( Although it has been banned from Russia & China)

BTW I do often criticise the BBC, it's gone massively downhill especially as it's budgets have been cut, it hired top execs who don't share traditional news values imo, it's also increasingly dumbed down as it tries to compete with lower quality media. Many would like to see UK TV dragged into the kind of unregulated, polarised culture you see in British press or in some other nations' broadcasting.

 

[Sundog]

Incendiary comments/views help no one, and as we do not yet know the Truth, no US representative should comment/place blame. This will inflame an already on fire situation. Anyone in any government position should know better, and his comment should be removed.

We do have the facts now, not only has Israel provided data, but the National Security Council of the U.S.A. has confirmed it.

I certainly expect my representative in the House to speak out on major issues impacting our nation, particularly terorrism.

 

[katydid23]

it’s astounding how quickly this has escalated and a war seems to be looming. Israel are going to need a lot of proof to back up their claims as it simply doesn’t add up they are Not responsible for this Hospital Bombing.

Hamas clearly don’t have the capacity to do this or Israel would have been hit way harder if they had weapons that could cause such damage.

I disagree. I see no reason to believe Israel would dare to bomb a hospital, especially at that critical time.

I do believe it was a misfired bomb from Gaza, which also triggered the ammunition and weapons hidden in the area by Hamas. JMO

Moo

 

[Pitsleuth]

Which side committed this heinous act, on purpose or accidental, is not what should be focused on. The lives lost, hurt, and the destruction of a Hospital trying to save lives, is the Tragedy here. The verbal BS/Lies thrown by both groups along the way will perhaps be found out later...Perhaps. We must focus on the Lives of those suffering and how to rescue them First!!

I think it matters a great, great deal who committed this heinous act.
MOO

 

[Dotta]

Footage appears to show rocket fired from Gaza over hospital

Channel 12 News claimed the video was 'proof' that a rocket fired in Palestine malfunctioned mid-air before crashing down and bursting into flames.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Analysing Israel's 'proof' it wasn't behind Gaza hospital bloodbath

Israel this morning sought to absolve itself of any responsibility, sharing a slew of evidence it claims proves that a misfiring rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) was behind the blast

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sundog]

'Its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee which is charged to all British households'

BBC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is quite common for UK TV channels not to adopt editorial decisions based on Government decisions.

BBC uses the word terrorist in it's articles and reports typically when it's attributed to a source. For example
Person X said ' the terrorists Hamas are...'

Both Sky & ITV also typically don't use the phrase either - it's quite unusual to hear it on Sky during this Israel- Hamas conflict. 'They'll tend to say something like Hamas fighters attacked or killed ....' etc

I could go on and explain at length but I'll leave it there. Lots of misinfo on the whys and hows

Even worse, funded by taxpayers (of course that's where the government funding comes from).

 

[Momoffourboys]

Israeli doctor's plea to Biden: Treatment for Israeli children in Gaza​

"We have children in Gaza who are not receiving medical attention. No one has visited them, and we have not received any updates."​

Israeli doctor's plea to Biden: Treatment for captive children in Gaza | The Jerusalem Post

"We have children in Gaza who are not receiving medical attention. No one has visited them, and we have not received any updates."

www.jpost.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

Exclusive: Senior UK Muslim clerics condemn Hamas attacks on Israel in landmark statement​

15 Muslim clerics also condemn ‘excessive force’ by Israel but don’t apportion blame for hospital strike​

Some of Britain’s most senior Muslim leaders have said they “denounce Hamas’s killing and abduction of innocent people” on 7 October and have steered clear of apportioning blame for the Gaza hospital killings.

In a significant intervention by leading Muslim clerics in the UK on the war between Hamas and Israel, clerics say they “unequivocally condemn the killing of civilians” in both Israel and Gaza, in a statement seen by Jewish News.

Signed by some of the most influential figures in the British Muslim community, it includes condemnation of the IDF’s “excessive” use of force and calls for humanitarian aid to be let into the Gaza Strip.

More:Exclusive: Senior UK Muslim clerics condemn Hamas attacks on Israel in landmark statement