Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[katydid23]

Horror that has been perpetrated for many years by both sides as the history of the area proves.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/

What is the Gaza Strip? What you need to know about the territory at the heart of the Israel-Hamas war

The Gaza Strip, which some have called "the world's largest open-air prison," is a narrow piece of land between Israel and Egypt.

www.cnbc.com

Has Israel ever sent thousands of home invaders into Gaza, who entered hundreds of family homes, raping the women, killing babies and torturing their parents, kidnapping hundreds, to hold for sale? I have not seen a full scale massacre like this by Israel in Gaza.

 

[katydid23]

Israeli army says it's expanding operations in north Gaza​

A little earlier we reported on claims that a UN school-turned-shelter in Jablia, northern Gaza, had been hit. (Our BBC Verify colleagues analysed some footage of the incident here.)

Since then the Israeli military has shared an operational update, describing how it's "continuing and expanding its operational activities" in parts of the Palestinian enclave.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) say that in the last 24 hours troops have "conducted activities in the Zaytun and Jabalia areas, during which they encountered terrorists who intentionally operated from civilian areas and attacked the troops using anti-tank missiles and explosives".

It adds that its forces "eliminated" a number of Hamas operatives in the process, "and struck a large number of terrorist infrastructure".

Earlier, IDF spokesperson Lt Col Peter Lerner said the force was investigating the reported school blast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67446662

This is good news:

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) say that in the last 24 hours troops have "conducted activities in the Zaytun and Jabalia areas, during which they encountered terrorists who intentionally operated from civilian areas and attacked the troops using anti-tank missiles and explosives".

It adds that its forces "eliminated" a number of Hamas operatives in the process, "and struck a large number of terrorist infrastructure".

 

[MyBelle]

I posted a link further back about which 15 countries currently make up the UN Security Council. They are the ones making the UN decisions ... by voting among themselves.

When I look at the diversity of those 15 countries, it seems clear that these countries will not all have the same opinions in their votes. imo


Albania
Brazil
China (permanent member)
Ecuador
France (permanent member)
Gabon
Ghana
Japan
Malta
Mozambique
Russian Federation (permanent member)
Switzerland
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom (permanent member)
United States (permanent member)

Current Members | Security Council

PERMANENT AND NON-PERMANENT MEMBERSThe Council is composed of 15 Members:Five permanent members: China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States, and ten non-permanent members elected for two-year terms by the General Assembly (with end of term year):

www.un.org

The U.N created the region. According to their investigation, Israel has been in violation of international human rights law for years.
JMO

From 5 Sept. 2023:

Report of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel (A/78/198) [EN/AR/RU/ZH] - occupied Palestinian territory

UN Document in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Gender and Protection and Human Rights; published on 5 Sep 2023 by UN HRC

reliefweb.int

1. In its previous report to the General Assembly (A/77/328), the Commission found reasonable grounds to conclude that the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is now unlawful under international law, owing to its permanence and to actions undertaken by Israel to annex parts of the land de facto and de jure . The Commission focused the present report on the use of force in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and in Israel, examining practices and policies, analysing the human rights and legal consequences of force used and identifying root causes of recurring violence and protracted conflict.
2. The report is based on interviews conducted with primary and secondary sources up to 31 July 2023, open-source research, meetings with stakeholders, public hearings and submissions received following a call issued on 2 November 2022.

​

 

[Cool Cats]

The Associated Press

First group of wounded Palestinian children from Israel-Hamas war arrives in United Arab Emirates​

MSN

www.msn.com

- link to MSM article

 

[MyBelle]

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses

Fifty years after Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip, it controls these areas through repression, institutionalized discrimination, and systematic abuses of the Palestinian population’s rights. Whether it’s a child imprisoned by a military court or shot unjustifiably, or a house...

www.hrw.org

From 2017:

“Whether it’s a child imprisoned by a military court or shot unjustifiably, or a house demolished for lack of an elusive permit, or checkpoints where only settlers are allowed to pass, few Palestinians have escaped serious rights abuses during this 50-year occupation,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Israel today maintains an entrenched system of institutionalized discrimination against Palestinians in the occupied territory – repression that extends far beyond any security rationale.”

 

[dotr]

Nov 18, 2023

''Several doctors from the Tri-State Area are preparing to fly to Israel on Sunday.''

Nov 17, 2023 #VargasReports

'Emily Tony Korenberg Hand is believed to be somewhere in Gaza among the hostages taken by Hamas militants who swarmed her kibbutz Oct. 7 during the incursion into Israel that left some 1,200 dead and 240 abducted. Haley Strack, a journalist for The National Review, weighs in on "Elizabeth Vargas Reports."

'Nov 17, 2023 #Israel #Hamas #Interrogation
In the days after the October 7 terror attacks, the Shin Bet — Israel’s equivalent of the FBI — began interrogating captured Hamas suspects in an urgent race for intelligence about the hostages and what their soldiers would face in Gaza. NBC News’ Raf Sanchez has exclusive reporting, speaking to a veteran of the agency.'

 

[katydid23]

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses

Fifty years after Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip, it controls these areas through repression, institutionalized discrimination, and systematic abuses of the Palestinian population’s rights. Whether it’s a child imprisoned by a military court or shot unjustifiably, or a house...

www.hrw.org

From 2017:

“Whether it’s a child imprisoned by a military court or shot unjustifiably, or a house demolished for lack of an elusive permit, or checkpoints where only settlers are allowed to pass, few Palestinians have escaped serious rights abuses during this 50-year occupation,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Israel today maintains an entrenched system of institutionalized discrimination against Palestinians in the occupied territory – repression that extends far beyond any security rationale.”

Israeli's settled into Israel after surviving the holocaust. They went through unimaginable torture and loss. Six million Jews were killed. All their land and assets were seized. That small piece of land was given to them after the world war.

It is not surprising they would not feel a lot of trust with their enemies living right next door, threatening to continue the genocide. They wanted peace. They did not want war.

Look at the words and admitted intentions of Hamas. They want war and will incite violence until the Jews are eradicated. They proudly say so.

How are the Israeli's supposed to accept that?

 

[MyBelle]

Israeli's settled into Israel after surviving the holocaust. They went through unimaginable torture and loss. Six million Jews were killed. All their land and assets were seized. That small piece of land was given to them after the world war.

It is not surprising they would not feel a lot of trust with their enemies living right next door, threatening to continue the genocide. They wanted peace. They did not want war.

Look at the words and admitted intentions of Hamas. They want war and will incite violence until the Jews are eradicated. They proudly say so.

How are the Israeli's supposed to accept that?

Two wrongs don't make a right. If your child was detained, whipped, sexually assaulted, imprisoned by the military, would you feel a lot of trust? I sure wouldn't.

JMO

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian

Ramallah, 10 July – Palestinian children in the Israel military detention system face physical and emotional abuse, with four out of five (86%) of them being beaten, and 69% strip-searched, according to new research by Save the Children. Nearly half (42%) are injured at the point of arrest, including gunshot wounds and broken bones. Some report violence of a sexual nature and some are transferred to court or between detention centres in small cages, the child rights organisation said.

The new research comes as the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967 presents evidence today to the Human Rights Council on Palestinian children in detention. It is estimated that there are between 500 and 1000 children held in Israeli military detention each year.

Save the Children says these practices are a major and long standing human rights concern and is calling for the Government of Israel to end the detention of Palestinian children under military law and their prosecution in military courts.

 

[katydid23]

Two wrongs don't make a right. If your child was detained, whipped, sexually assaulted, imprisoned by the military, would you feel a lot of trust? I sure wouldn't.

JMO

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian

Ramallah, 10 July – Palestinian children in the Israel military detention system face physical and emotional abuse, with four out of five (86%) of them being beaten, and 69% strip-searched, according to new research by Save the Children. Nearly half (42%) are injured at the point of arrest, including gunshot wounds and broken bones. Some report violence of a sexual nature and some are transferred to court or between detention centres in small cages, the child rights organisation said.

The new research comes as the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967 presents evidence today to the Human Rights Council on Palestinian children in detention. It is estimated that there are between 500 and 1000 children held in Israeli military detention each year.

Save the Children says these practices are a major and long standing human rights concern and is calling for the Government of Israel to end the detention of Palestinian children under military law and their prosecution in military courts.

Save The Children is a charity organization, that has had its own problems with sexual abuse accusations against it.
I am not sure how credible their claims are.

Save the Children can resume funding bids following sexual abuse scandal

Charity has made ‘significant steps’ to improve safeguarding and can now apply for government funds two years on from withdrawal

www.theguardian.com

 

[katydid23]

Two wrongs don't make a right. If your child was detained, whipped, sexually assaulted, imprisoned by the military, would you feel a lot of trust? I sure wouldn't.

You are correct. Two wrongs don't make a right. There is no excuse for the massive invasion of Israeli homes on Oct 7th.

 

[Wishbone]

Pro-Palestinian rally held in NYC Saturday to call for cease-fire in Gaza

A large pro-Palestinian rally took place in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn on Saturday, calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.

abc7ny.com

 

[MyBelle]

Pro-Palestinian rally held in NYC Saturday to call for cease-fire in Gaza

A large pro-Palestinian rally took place in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn on Saturday, calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.

abc7ny.com

We have heard the same thing from our Jewish friends here in the U.S.
From your link:
One Jewish woman spoke to Eyewitness News about why she chose to support the pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

"The irony is if Israel is claiming this is a question of security, they are creating so much more violence because if you want to radicalize people, it's amazing PR to see innocent children, women, civilians being eviscerated by bombs, losing their limbs," protester Katie Halper said.

 

[Wishbone]

We have heard the same thing from our Jewish friends here in the U.S.
From your link:
One Jewish woman spoke to Eyewitness News about why she chose to support the pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

"The irony is if Israel is claiming this is a question of security, they are creating so much more violence because if you want to radicalize people, it's amazing PR to see innocent children, women, civilians being eviscerated by bombs, losing their limbs," protester Katie Halper said.

In the eyes of many the magnitude of the atrocities being inflicted on Gaza have overwhelmed what happened when Israel was attacked. Israel's continued actions have caused the world to cringe in horror at the inhumanity being inflicted on the populace, especially the children. The momentum of the devastation they are witnessing in Gaza has built up over the many days, weeks and now over a month that the siege has continued. The resentment toward Israel, as the attacks continue, will most likely continue to grow. IMO

 

[dotr]

U of A fires director of Sexual Assault Centre for signing letter questioning attacks on Israeli women | Globalnews.ca

The University of Alberta has fired the director of the Sexual Assault Centre after she signed a controversial letter regarding attacks on Israeli women.

globalnews.ca

''The University of Alberta has fired Samantha Pearson, the director of the Sexual Assault Centre after she signed an open letter penned by ousted Ontario MPP Sarah Jama that calls into question whether Israeli women were subjected to rape and sexual violence during a Hamas attack on Oct. 7.''

''The open letter states the accusations that Palestinians were guilty of sexual violence were “unverified.”

Premier Danielle Smith also released a statement on the platform X, formerly known as Twitter supporting the university’s decision. “I unequivocally agree with The University of Alberta’s decision to dismiss the director. All spaces including university campuses need to be safe for all. Anti-semitism of any kind must not be tolerated.”

 

[sds71]

Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement that would free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for a five-day pause in fighting.
The release, which could begin within the next several days — barring last-minute hitches — could lead to the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.


Under the terms of a detailed, six-page agreement, all parties to the conflict would freeze combat operations for at least five days while an initial 50 or more of what are believed to be a total 239 hostages are released in batches every 24 hours. Overhead surveillance would monitor movement on the ground to police the pause.

The stop in fighting is also intended to allow a significant increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance, including fuel, to enter the besieged enclave from Egypt.

The decision to accept the deal is difficult for Israel, said one person familiar with the situation who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations. While there is strong domestic pressure on Netanyahu to bring the hostages home, there are also loud voices in Israel demanding that the government not barter for their release.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/18/us-israel-hamas-reach-tentative-deal-pause-conflict-free-dozens-hostages/

 

[MyBelle]

In the eyes of many the magnitude of the atrocities being inflicted on Gaza have overwhelmed what happened when Israel was attacked. Israel's continued actions have caused the world to cringe in horror at the inhumanity being inflicted on the populace, especially the children. The momentum of the devastation they are witnessing in Gaza has built up over the many days, weeks and now over a month that the siege has continued. The resentment toward Israel, as the attacks continue, will most likely continue to grow. IMO

BBM. It will continue to grow until Biden steps in and withholds all the $$$ and weapons the IDF is using to inflict the slaughter upon civilians.

JMO

 

[Wishbone]

BBM. It will continue to grow until Biden steps in and withholds all the $$$ and weapons the IDF is using to inflict the slaughter upon civilians.

JMO

Unfortunately I don't see him doing that. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[MyBelle]

Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement that would free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for a five-day pause in fighting.
The release, which could begin within the next several days — barring last-minute hitches — could lead to the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.


Under the terms of a detailed, six-page agreement, all parties to the conflict would freeze combat operations for at least five days while an initial 50 or more of what are believed to be a total 239 hostages are released in batches every 24 hours. Overhead surveillance would monitor movement on the ground to police the pause.

The stop in fighting is also intended to allow a significant increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance, including fuel, to enter the besieged enclave from Egypt.

The decision to accept the deal is difficult for Israel, said one person familiar with the situation who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations. While there is strong domestic pressure on Netanyahu to bring the hostages home, there are also loud voices in Israel demanding that the government not barter for their release.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/18/us-israel-hamas-reach-tentative-deal-pause-conflict-free-dozens-hostages/

BBM. I think it is Netanyahu who doesn't want to barter for their release. He's shown the world his priority is to obliterate civilians off the planet.

It's great news if any hostages are released but unfortunately, we've been hearing it for days now.

JMO

 

[Brightchaser47]

Israeli's settled into Israel after surviving the holocaust. They went through unimaginable torture and loss. Six million Jews were killed. All their land and assets were seized. That small piece of land was given to them after the world war.

It is not surprising they would not feel a lot of trust with their enemies living right next door, threatening to continue the genocide. They wanted peace. They did not want war.

Look at the words and admitted intentions of Hamas. They want war and will incite violence until the Jews are eradicated. They proudly say so.

How are the Israeli's supposed to accept that?

I wonder what would've happened if the Jews had been "given" a different patch of ground, say somewhere in Africa. Would Muslim extremists and terrorists still thirst and hunger for the annihilation of Jews? Or would they simply go about their business, undisturbed by their existence?

 

[MyBelle]

Unfortunately I don't see him doing that. Hope I'm wrong.

I hope you're wrong. I think SoS Blinken--who is Jewish--will convince him and so will the Pope.
JMO

Al-Aqsa Professor: Pope Francis has ‘clear voice’ on Gaza, more must be done - Vatican News

In an interview with Vatican News, Jerusalem-based Professor Mustafa AbuSway describes the “unbridled carnage” in Gaza, and thanks Pope Francis for ...

www.vaticannews.va