Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

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  • #121
You’re exactly right. Even though I’m not his biggest fan, I worry for his safety and that he is target, but he has to go you are right.

Yeah…I also think this goes beyond “Biden,” and whether or not people like/support him. This is about the United States and world, and as I mentioned it would be the same for whoever held the role as US President at the current time.
 
  • #122
IDF says at around 2 a.m., anothrr anti-tank guided missile was fired from Lebanon at Israeli soldiers on the border, near Shtula. Troops shelling the launch site with artillery.

*tweeted 5 minutes ago
 
  • #123
Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as crisis in Gaza deepens (cnn.com)
5 min ago

Aftermath of Gaza hospital blast is "unparalleled and indescribable," Palestinian Ministry of Health says​

The situation following a deadly blast at a hospital in Gaza is "unparalleled and indescribable," said Dr. Ashraf Al-Qudra, a spokesperson for the Palestinian Ministry of Health.

Al-Qudra said in a statement on Wednesday (local time) that the blast killed hundreds of people "and ambulance crews are still removing body parts as most of the victims are children and women."

He noted that the number of victims and their injuries "exceeded the capabilities of medical teams and ambulances."

Al-Qudra added: "Doctors were performing surgeries on the ground and in the corridors, some of them without anesthesia and a large number of injured people are still waiting for operations, and the medical teams are trying to save their lives in intensive care."
 
  • #124
You’re exactly right. Even though I’m not his biggest fan, I worry for his safety and that he is target, but he has to go you are right.

Yeah…I also think this goes beyond “Biden,” and whether or not people like/support him. This is about the United States and world, and as I mentioned it would be the same for whoever held the role as US President at the current time.

Here’s another thing.

These terrorists are going to want to attack the United States. Intelligence must be shared, collaborative plans needs to be made, weapons sharing/funding, sanctions, there are soooo many things… I know there’s the internet and conference calls, but this is one of those things I think he just needs to be there in person for.

Also importantly, we can not appear weak to our enemies.
 
  • #125
Israel-Hamas war live updates: Israel and Hamas blame each other for Gaza hospital blast (nbcnews.com)
9m ago / 8:36 PM PDT

Republicans want to keep Palestinian refugees from coming to the U.S., but it’s already tough for them to get in​

Amid the Gaza conflict, Republicans in Congress and on the presidential campaign trail are advocating for a ban on any Palestinian refugees’ coming to the U.S. — but already very few Palestinians are admitted, and the Biden administration has no plans to change the status quo.

Out of more than 60,000 total refugees resettled in the U.S. in fiscal year 2023, 56 Palestinians were admitted. In the past 10 years, fewer than 600 Palestinians in all have come to the U.S. as refugees, according to the State Department.

The numbers are so low in large part because Palestinians cannot follow the same pathway into the U.S. as other nationalities. The 1951 Refugee Convention that established the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and defined the criteria for refugees around the world explicitly left out Palestinians living in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. The U.S. uses the refugee agency to identify potential refugees.
 
  • #126
Israel-Hamas war live: Biden flies to Israel as Jordan summit cancelled; deadly Gaza hospital blast sparks Middle East protests (theguardian.com)

Opening summary​

It is nearing 7am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv. Here is where things stand:
  • Hundreds of people are reported to have been killed in a massive explosion at a crowded hospital in Gaza City, in the biggest single loss of life in the blockaded territory in all the five wars between Hamas and Israel since the militants took over the strip in 2007.
  • The Gaza health ministry, which is run by Hamas, said at least 500 people were killed on Tuesday night in what it said was an Israeli airstrike on al-Ahli al-Arabi, also known as the Baptist hospital. A spokesperson for the Gaza civil defence put the number of killed at about 300.
  • White House spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that the US is ‘getting close to a framework for Aid to get into Gaza from Egypt”.
  • The number of Americans killed from the Hamas attack on Israel now stands at 31, White House spokesperson Kirby said on Tuesday. Kirby said the United States would continue to speak to Israel about the need to protect innocent civilian life. President Joe Biden is on his way to Israel to show US support in the aftermath of the Hamas attack.
  • The Israeli military said an initial investigation suggested the explosion was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch, before saying it was the result of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket barrage. Islamic Jihad denied the Israeli allegation, and the scale of the blast appeared to be outside the militant groups’ capabilities.
  • Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad on Wednesday described as “lies” the Israel army’s accusations that it was responsible for a strike on a Gaza hospital that left hundreds dead.
  • United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres was “horrified” by what he called the “strike” on a hospital in Gaza, he said in post on X on Tuesday. “My heart is with the families of the victims. Hospitals and medical personnel are protected under international humanitarian law,” Guterres said.
  • Guterres will arrive in Cairo on Thursday, focused on reopening the Gaza border to allow in desperately needed aid for millions of Palestinians.
  • US to announce new sanctions against Hamas leaders this week – report. The US Treasury Department is preparing to announce new sanctions against several leaders of Palestinian Islamist group Hamas this week after their attack on Israel earlier this month, Axios is reporting, citing US officials.
  • Reports said violence had erupted between protesters and Palestinian security forces in several cities in the West Bank. In central Ramallah, teargas and stun grenades were fired to disperse protesters throwing rocks and chanting against the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas. Reuters reported anger was boiling over after the deadly attack on a Gaza hospital on Tuesday that the authority said was a “cold-blooded massacre” by Israel.
  • Britain’s foreign secretary, James Cleverly, said the UK will work with allies to “find out what has happened” at the Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist hospital in Gaza. Cleverly, posting to social media, described the destruction of the hospital as “a devastating loss of human life” and that the UK has been “clear” that the “protection of civilian life must come first”.
  • The White House announced that Joe Biden would no longer travel to Jordan. The decision came after Jordan’s foreign minister, Ayman Safadi, said that Jordan was no longer holding a planned summit with the US president and the Egyptian and Palestinian leaders that was scheduled to take place in Amman on Wednesday. Safadi, speaking to Al Jazeera, said the summit was cancelled because “there is no use in talking now about anything except stopping the war”.
  • Earlier on Tuesday, the UN’s Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said an Israeli airstrike had killed at least six people after striking one of its schools that has been functioning as a shelter for displaced people. Several hospitals in Gaza have become refuges for hundreds of people hoping to be spared bombardment.
  • Health authorities in Gaza say at least 3,000 people have been killed in Israel’s bombardment since 7 October. At least 940 children and 1,032 women have been killed, the Hamas government media office said. The president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, has declared three days of mourning after the deadly airstrike on Gaza’s Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist hospital.
  • Fears are growing that people in Gaza are beginning to dehydrate to death as clean water runs out, with Israeli airstrikes continuing to pound the Palestinian territory of 2.3 million residents amid a total blockade on food, electricity, medicine and fuel.
  • The US state department has raised its travel alert for Lebanon to “do not travel,” citing the security situation related to rocket, missile, and artillery exchanges between Israel and Hezbollah, Reuters reported. The State Department authorised the voluntary, temporary departure of family members of US government personnel and some non-emergency personnel from the US Embassy in Beirut because of the unpredictable security situation in Lebanon.
 
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  • #128
I think things have escalated rapidly, especially since Saturday, with Iran.

I thought it was just a few days ago BIden had said US troops weren’t really on the table? Now we’ve got troops on serious standby. Military Channel video posted a couple threads back shows US troops loading up. Could be a show, or not. We know it’s at least a precaution.

Of course there’s a lot we don’t know, but I think things are much worse than we know, as far as the international political threat situation. Jmo.

I don’t want to use the “nuclear” word, but I think Iran is trigger happy, jmo.

So it goes back to my question on Saturday, what is it exactly Iran is going to do? “Will intervene” and “earthquake” and “far reaching consequences” and NOW “TIME IS UP.”

We can count on an escalated cyber war with Iran-Russian threat actors, imo, as I talked about earlier.

What physical tactical actions might Iran take? They’ve got some nasty weapons.
 
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  • #129
2m ago
Justin McCurry

Japan’s government has been criticised over its evacuation of citizens from Israel, after just eight people joined a flight that flew only as far as Dubai, with passengers charged a fee for boarding the plane.

Social media users and opposition politicians contrasted Sunday’s evacuation on a government-chartered commercial plane with an earlier flight on a South Korean military aircraft, whose passengers included dozens of Japanese nationals.

Passengers on the Japanese flight were charged ¥30,000 each (US$200), sparking anger on X, formerly known as Twitter, with some users accusing the government of being “stingy”. The South Korean government, by contrast, did not charge 51 Japanese nationals who boarded its flight – along with 163 South Koreans and six Singaporeans – from Israel to Seoul on Saturday.

Kenta Izumi, head of the main opposition Constitutional Democratic party, was similarly critical: “A Japanese government-chartered plane arrived in Dubai with eight Japanese on board for a fee,” he wrote on X. “The South Korean government transport plane carried not only South Koreans but also 51 Japanese, and arrived in South Korea, and for free.”

The Mainichi Shimbun said the tiny number of people aboard the Japanese flight had taken foreign ministry officials by surprise. “We hurried to avoid Japan being accused of responding too slowly, but with only eight people on board, it backfired on us,” the newspaper quoted a source close to the ministry as saying.

But another official defended the evacuation, saying the quickly changing situation in the Middle East meant the government wanted to fly its citizens out of Israel as soon as possible.

“The purpose of evacuating Japanese nationals was to get them out of the country, not to get them back to Japan,” the official told the Mainichi. “We are glad we did it, even with eight people.”

About 1,200 Japanese nationals were in Israel and Palestinian territoriesbefore the conflict broke out, and 1,000 were still there as of Saturday, the Kyodo news agency reported.


IIRC, the U.S. also is charging citizens for the cost of their transportation (flights and ship) out of the region, with passengers having to sign an agreement to pay the government for the costs of evacuation.
 
  • #130
Israel-Hamas war live: Biden flies to Israel as Jordan summit cancelled; deadly Gaza hospital blast sparks Middle East protests (theguardian.com)
16m ago05.00 BST

22 Arab countries have called for a ceasefire in Gaza​

The 22 Arab countries at the United Nations joined in demanding an immediate cease-fire in Gaza following the devastating explosion and fire at a Gaza City hospital.

Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian UN ambassador, said Arab Group members are “outraged by this massacre” and also united in demanding the immediate delivery of humanitarian aid and preventing “forcible displacement” of Palestinians.

Mansour said that after the “massacre,” the highest objective is a cease-fire because “saving lives is the most important thing.

3m ago05.14 BST

UN’s Guterres calls for ‘immediate humanitarian ceasefire’ in Israel-Hamas war​

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called on Wednesday for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in the war between Israel and Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.

Speaking at a forum of China’s Belt and Road infrastructure initiative in Beijing, he reiterated what he called “two urgent humanitarian appeals”.

He called on Hamas for the “immediate and unconditional release of hostages”.

He also called on Israel to “immediately allow unrestricted access of humanitarian aid to respond to the most basic needs of the people of Gaza, the overwhelming majority of whom are women and children”.

“I call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to provide sufficient time and space to help realise my two appeals and to ease the epic human suffering we are witnessing,” Guterres said.

“Too many lives and the fate of the entire region hang in the balance.”
 
  • #131
Take notes.

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) / X (twitter.com)

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27m ago

The UN agency for Palestine Refugees, UNRWA, has just posted this to X:


On Tuesday, at least six people were killed in an Israeli air strike that hit a school run by UNRWA in Gaza’s Al-Maghazi refugee camp, the agency posted on X social media platform.

UN secretary-general António Guterres earlier said, referring to the blast on the hospital as a “strike”, “I am horrified by the killing of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in a strike on a hospital in Gaza today, which I strongly condemn. My heart is with the families of the victims. Hospitals and medical personnel are protected under international humanitarian law.”

 
  • #133

'Indescribable' scenes at hospital - Palestinian health ministry​

The situation at the Al Ahli hospital has been described as "unparalleled and indescribable", by the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza.

"Doctors are performing surgeries on the ground and in the corridors, and some of them were without anesthesia," said the ministry's spokesman Dr Ashraf Al-Qudra said in a statement posted on Facebook early on Wednesday.

"A lot of people are still waiting for operations, and the medical teams are trying to save their lives in intensive care."

He added that many of the victims were children and women who have "lost their features", adding that many of the injuries sustained are "beyond the capabilities of our medical teams".

 
  • #134
Israel-Hamas war live: Biden flies to Israel as Jordan summit cancelled; deadly Gaza hospital blast sparks Middle East protests (theguardian.com)
16m ago05.00 BST

22 Arab countries have called for a ceasefire in Gaza​

The 22 Arab countries at the United Nations joined in demanding an immediate cease-fire in Gaza following the devastating explosion and fire at a Gaza City hospital.

Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian UN ambassador, said Arab Group members are “outraged by this massacre” and also united in demanding the immediate delivery of humanitarian aid and preventing “forcible displacement” of Palestinians.

Mansour said that after the “massacre,” the highest objective is a cease-fire because “saving lives is the most important thing.

3m ago05.14 BST

UN’s Guterres calls for ‘immediate humanitarian ceasefire’ in Israel-Hamas war​

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called on Wednesday for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in the war between Israel and Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.

Speaking at a forum of China’s Belt and Road infrastructure initiative in Beijing, he reiterated what he called “two urgent humanitarian appeals”.

He called on Hamas for the “immediate and unconditional release of hostages”.

He also called on Israel to “immediately allow unrestricted access of humanitarian aid to respond to the most basic needs of the people of Gaza, the overwhelming majority of whom are women and children”.

“I call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to provide sufficient time and space to help realise my two appeals and to ease the epic human suffering we are witnessing,” Guterres said.

“Too many lives and the fate of the entire region hang in the balance.”

“United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called on Wednesday for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in the war between Israel and Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.”

[…]

“He called on Hamas for the “immediate and unconditional release of hostages”.


Sigh, I don’t think we’re getting those hostages. Pleeeeeeease let me be wrong.

I do think they will hold some for years and years. No matter what happens in the short term, I think they may be planning for the long term as well.

We know they did long-term planning of the massacre.

What else have they planned for long term.

They’re definitely going to be keeping some soldiers alive for long term negotiations of Palestinian and other prisoners, imo.

Everything is jmo, thanks for letting me share my thoughts, and glad we have each other for this discussion.
 
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UK will work to 'find out what happened' - Cleverly​

"The destruction of Al Ahli hospital is a devastating loss of human life," UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said on Tuesday after the explosion.
In a post on X, he said the UK would work with allies to "find out what has happened and protect innocent civilians in Gaza".

 
  • #136
Oded and Yocheved Lifshitz, from Kibbut Nahal Oz spent years driving Palestinians from Gaza into Israel to recieve life saving medical treatment.

They are now pleading for their own lives in Gaza after being abducted by Hamas Terrorists on Oct 7th.

Hamas = ISIS

#BringThemHome

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58 min ago

Palestinian ambassador to UN accuses Israel of being behind Gaza hospital blast​

From CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq

Ambassador Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian Observer to the United Nations, accused Israel of carrying out the deadly blast at the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on Tuesday.
He said Israeli officials were being dishonest in blaming Palestinian Islamic Jihad for the blast.

“Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a news conference at the UN headquarters.

The Israel Defense Forces said earlier on Tuesday that their intelligence shows a “failed rocket launch” by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group was responsible for the explosion that left hundreds dead.

 
  • #138
2 min ago

Church condemns deadly Gaza hospital blast​

From CNN’s Kareem Khadder

The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem condemned the deadly explosion that took place at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza Tuesday, according to a statement.

The diocese oversees the board and administration for the hospital.

The diocese said they were observing a global day of fasting and prayers to end the conflict that “was marred by a brutal attack" on the hospital, the statement read.

The diocese announced a day of mourning in all of its churches and institutions.

“Gaza remains bereft of safe havens,” the diocese said, and called the blast a crime against humanity in their statement.

“Hospitals, by the tenets of international humanitarian law, are sanctuaries, yet this assault has transgressed those sacred boundaries,” the statement read.

The diocese also said “the devastation witnessed, coupled with the sacrilegious targeting of the church, strikes at the very core of human decency," adding that “we assert unequivocally that this is deserving international condemnation and retribution.”

 
  • #139

Biden's visit is a high-stakes gamble​

Sarah Smith
North America editor

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US President Joe Biden


For an American president, turning up in a warzone is an extraordinary move.

Joe Biden's trip to the Middle East on Wednesday was always going to be a high-stakes gamble.

But he is now flying into an even more volatile situation, after the bombing of a hospital in Gaza that is thought to have killed hundreds of Palestinians.

Hamas has blamed an Israeli air strike, but Israel said the blast at Al Ahli hospital was caused by rockets fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Biden's hastily-organised visit is designed to further demonstrate America's firm solidarity with the Jewish state.

But he is having to balance his support for Israel's aim of destroying Hamas with his deep concerns about the civilian and humanitarian cost.

Now it is time for the US president to use all the influence and leverage he has at his disposal to try to limit the bloodshed and loss of life, and prevent an all-out war across the Middle East.

All while events on the ground are making it harder than ever.

Read more about the situation here.


Another reason he has to go:


“Now it is time for the US president to use all the influence and leverage he has at his disposal to try to limit the bloodshed and loss of life, and prevent an all-out war across the Middle East.”
 
  • #140
9min ago

US sets travel alert for Lebanon to highest level


A Lebanese protester flashes the V for victory sign on October 18 as a fire rages behind the security gate of the US embassy after clashes with security forces during a demonstration in solidarity with the people of Gaza in Awkar, east of Beirut on October 17, 2023. (JOSEPH EID / AFP)
A Lebanese protester flashes the V for victory sign on October 18 as a fire rages behind the security gate of the US embassy after clashes with security forces during a demonstration in solidarity with the people of Gaza in Awkar, east of Beirut on October 17, 2023. (JOSEPH EID / AFP)

The State Department has raised the travel advisory for Lebanon, urging people not to travel to the country “due to the unpredictable security situation related to rocket, missile, and artillery exchanges between Israel and Hizbullah or other armed militant factions.”

The advisory is hiked to Level 4, “Do not travel” — the highest level — from Level 3, “Reconsider travel.”

The advisory issued on Tuesday also urges people to reconsider travel to Lebanon “due to terrorism, civil unrest, armed conflict, crime, kidnapping” and the US Embassy in Beirut’s limited capacity to provide support to US citizens.

The State Department authorizes the voluntary, temporary departure of family members of US government personnel and some non-emergency personnel from the US Embassy in Beirut due to the unpredictable security situation in Lebanon.
 
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