Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #7

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Pure propaganda. Jewish students weren't trapped. Planned pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel protests. Approved by the college. Police were present.

Peaceful college protests are allowed in the U.S.
JMO


Police say there were no injuries, arrests or property damage, and that this was a planned demonstration. The NYPD is reviewing surveillance video. The NYPD says three community affairs officers were at the school for the planned demonstration.

Photos from hours earlier show pro-Israel students holding up enlarged signs of kidnapped Israelis, and across the way, pro-Palestinian students holding signs demanding the institution support Palestinian causes.

Off camera, several pro-Palestinian students told CBS New York they planned to protest throughout the entire school and did not target or threaten the Jewish students in the library.

Students representing the pro-Palestinian rally sent CBS New York a statement that read in part:

Jewish college and university students across the U.S. are concerned about their safety on their campuses, and it is the responsibility of their institutions to ensure that they feel safe, not letting demonstrations take place in libraries and other academic buildings. Demonstrators may be restricted to campus free speech zones when they are demonstraing en masse as they did in this situation. Terrorizing students studying in the library is not acceptable in any situation and campus police and administrators need to make sure that this doesn't happen, no student should be terrorized at the institutions that they pay to attend.
 
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Six months earlier:

29 November 1947
The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal by the United Nations, which recommended a partition of Mandatory Palestine at the end of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution 181 (II).[1]

The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements, Palestinian nationalism and Jewish nationalism, or Zionism.[2][3]

They (the Arabs) announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution.[13][14][15][16] Subsequently a civil war broke out in Palestine[17] and the plan was not implemented.[18]

Retrospect​

In 2011, Mahmoud Abbas stated that the 1947 Arab rejection of United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a mistake he hoped to rectify.[161]


It would have been nice if the partition plan had teeth, but it didn't. At least Palestine would have been a nation and could have been held accountable for their actions as a nation. Instead, the majority of Palestinians were relegated to refugee status.

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I don't hold out much hope for any two state solution.
Palestinians won't want it, even if Israel offers it.
They were relegated to refugee status in 1948 ... when they lost their land (when Israel won that territory) in the war they and their Arab nation neighbours started with Israel.
 
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The rallies were organized by students. Some of them Jewish. The police do have videos. I posted a link upthread.

Evidently, apartheid is a'ok with the Israeli government. Everybody else are "terrorists." Please note, Israel refuses to belong to the International Criminal Court and is now rejecting the UN. This bothers me greatly. More importantly to me, it bothers our Jewish and Muslim friends. All of them are highly educated immigrants who hold respected professional positions, especially those who hold professional degrees in the practice of medicine. I am shocked Israel isn't a party to the International Criminal Court.
JMO

In recent years, human rights organizations and legal experts have increasingly described Israel’s policies toward Palestinians as apartheid, adding to a longstanding debate about whether this is an accurate way to categorize the country’s practices.

Apartheid, a term originating from the South African government’s systematic oppression of Black residents, is a crime against humanity under international law. At its core, it refers to policies intended to elevate one racial group over another, with the goal of maintaining the dominant group’s hegemony.

In 1998, the International Criminal Court (to which Israel is not a party) defined it as “inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group ... and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

It's my understanding that both Israel and the United States are not members of the International Criminal Court.
 
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Jewish college and university students across the U.S. are concerned about their safety on their campuses, and it is the responsibility of their institutions to ensure that they feel safe, not letting demonstrations take place in libraries and other academic buildings. Demonstrators may be restricted to campus free speech zones when they are demonstraing en masse as they did in this situation. Terrorizing students studying in the library is not acceptable in any situation and campus police and administrators need to make sure that this doesn't happen, no student should be terrorized at the institutions that they pay to attend.
Sadly, they demonstrably don't matter to some.

Just more victim-blaming.
 
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Heading into the EU summit to discuss the situation in the Middle East and support for Ukraine, the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has stopped to speak to reporters.

“We need to do everything we can to avoid spillover of conflict,” he said, according to my colleagues at the Europe Live blog. “We will also work towards humanitarian support for Gaza populations which are also victims of Hamas,” he added.

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EU leaders are arriving at a summit in Brussels aimed at discussing the situation in the Middle East and support for Ukraine.

Prior to the summit, several of them spoke to reporters:

The Belgian prime minister, Alexander De Croo, said that Israel had the right to defend itself and act to prevent any future attacks by Hamas, but that this could not justify any full blockade of Gaza or the barring of humanitarian convoys.

“Today, Hamas has two types of hostages: 222 hostages from Israel, but they are also taking the population of Gaza as a hostage,” De Croo said, according to Reuters.

He added: “Israel has a right to take action and to prevent future attacks. But that is never an excuse for blocking a whole region, for blocking humanitarian aid. It cannot be an excuse to starve a population.”

Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, stressed that he would like to see a ceasefire for humanitarian purposes. “But if we don’t have that conditions, at least a humanitarian pause in order to channel all the humanitarian aid that the Palestinian population needs, urgently,” he said according to my colleagues at the Europe Live blog.

Sánchez also called for a peace summit to address the situation.

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The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, has said that the military operation to eliminate Hamas is necessary, but that it needs to be carried out within the boundaries of international law.

“Unfortunately, a military operation needs to take place to eliminate Hamas, there is no other way, otherwise Israel cannot survive in the long run,” Reuters reported Rutte saying as he arrived in Brussels for an EU summit. “But this should be done with a minimum of damage to the civilian population.”


European Union

EU agrees to call for ‘humanitarian corridors and pauses’ in Gaza​


The EU is set to call for “humanitarian corridors and pauses” of the shelling in Gaza to allow food, water and medical supplies to reach Palestinians, according to its latest draft text.

An official declaration will be issued after a summit of leaders of the bloc’s 27 members in Brussels on Thursday.

It comes after days of bickering over the exact language in what one diplomat said was a week of “difficult discussions” over a situation everyone agreed was “horrific”.

It is understood three member states, including Germany, that favoured the phrase “windows”, felt an earlier text involving the phrase “humanitarian pause” suggested a permanent ceasefire and would undermine Israel’s right to defend itself.

The text that leaders will be asked to sign off on Thursday evening reads: “The European Council expresses its gravest concern for the deteriorating humanitarian situation in Gaza and calls for continued, rapid, safe and unhindered humanitarian access and aid to reach those in need through all necessary measures including humanitarian corridors and pauses.”

 
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It's my understanding that both Israel and the United States are not members of the International Criminal Court.
It's also not "apartheid" despite how some want to scream so when the Gazans have been self-governing since September, 2005 when Israel pulled it's settlements and all of it's forces out of Gaza. Gazans went on to overwhelmingly elect Hamas.

It's also not 'apartheid" despite how some want to scream so when the lands being talked about are those won by Israel in 1948 when they were attacked by Palestinians and their Arab-nation neighbours as a mere 1 day old country.

After losing that war and that land, suddenly they want to "go back to 1947" and "have regrets" about it. Funny that.

They sure as heck wouldn't have any regrets about it had they won.
 
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Oh another thing about the death numbers in Gaza: I wonder if it includes people who died from medical issues secondary due to the war? I think the UN often includes those with medical issues.

I see lots of crumbled buildings and Israel has admitted that have bombed South Gaza after telling people to evacuate to there. From Reuters: Why is Israel attacking south Gaza after telling people to go there?

I was reading a newsfeed from Times of India:
Gazans are now starting to wear ID bracelets and write names on the their children, so they can be identified. Bodies are still being put in mass graves.

Here this is the process: They take pictures of the bodies, blood samples and assign a number, so that families can later identify them. Bodies are quickly wrapped in shrouds, put in a truck, and immediately buried.
I wonder how they count casualties so quickly. Israel keeps finding more and more bodies. Yet, Hamas has numbers immediately. IMO
 
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I wonder how they count casualties so quickly. Israel keeps finding more and more bodies. Yet, Hamas has numbers immediately. IMO
Remember also, after the hospital blast - they also said they buried the mass causalities the very next day. How did they identify the 100’s of casualties from the blast in less than 24 hours? Didn’t sound true or possible given the chaotic circumstances.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LISTEN to an IDF officer in Unit 504 encourage a resident of Gaza to evacuate southward for their safety.<br><br>Hamas continues to use the civilians of Gaza as human shields, not allowing them to evacuate. <a href="https://t.co/KTu108FQPg">pic.twitter.com/KTu108FQPg</a></p>&mdash; Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) <a href=" ">October 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Gaza is plagued by poverty, but Hamas has no shortage of cash. Where does it come from?​

Hamas has an investment portfolio of real estate and other assets worth $500 million, say experts, and an annual military budget of as much as $350 million.


 
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Spray-painted messages such as 'Zionism equals Racism' and 'Israel is Fascist' began appearing on the sidewalks of Cornell University's upstate New York campus on Wednesday morning.
 
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