Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #8

[katydid23]

I'm quite perturbed by the obvious bias displayed throughout these threads. Are we just pretending that Israeli forces haven't committed atrocities against the people of Palestine? Are we so enraptured by religious fervor that we ignore statistics like "5,600 Palestinians died up to 2020 while 115,000 were injured. 250 Israelis died during the same period while 5,600 were injured."

I simultaneously don't understand the hard support for Israel's genocide, while also being fully aware of the selective morality of it. But come on people, examine the facts.

Source -

Infographic: The Human Cost Of The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

This chart shows Israeli & Palestinian deaths/injuries documented by the UN in Gaza and the West Bank.

www.statista.com

Explain October 7th to me. Hamas did a huge armed invasion, focused upon the civilians in their homes. They brutally slaughtered women, babies, young children, the elderly ---who were stabbed, shot, set on fire, and some taken hostage.

Tell me the justification for that kind of violent unprovoked attack.

Both sides have been bombing each other for decades. I am against it on both sides. But there its absolutely NO EXCUSE for the armed invasion of those family's homes and of the slaughter of those at the Music Festival. NONE.

Once that happened, Israel had every right and justification to return the favour. They NEED to root out the terrorists. Since the cowardly terrorists are hiding beneath the hospital patients and the local schools, Israel has no choice but to bomb the area. They cannot allow Hamas to keep that underground military headquarters anymore.

Hama knows they are putting their people in danger. They don't care.

Hamas steals the relief money given to their needy people. They don't care.

Hamas steals their people's gasoline and the electricity. They don't care.

They stole the hundreds of water pipes sent to aid their people in getting water supplies. They used the water pipes for making rockets.

<modsnip - personalizing> Hamas is the one to blame for this dire situation. And the people who voted to keep them in office.

The people in Gaza danced and cheered when they saw the hostages being dragged through the streets of Gaza. So now they experience the flip side of that joy.

 

[Vern]

Thank you @PommyMommy for all your thoughtful posts.

May we never forget 10/7.

 

[PommyMommy]

16min ago

Rocket sirens sound in Gaza border community Nir Oz​

After a pause of some eight hours, rocket alert sirens sound in the Gaza border community Nir Oz.

There are no immediate reports of injuries or damage in the community, which has been largely evacuated.

10:42 am

Rocket sirens sound in Gaza border community​

Rocket alert sirens sound in Nahal Oz, close to the border with the Gaza Strip.

There are no immediate reports of injuries or damage in the community, which has been largely evacuated of residents.

10:51 am

Rocket attacks on Gaza border towns continue with sirens in Magen​

Rocket sirens sound in the Gaza border community Magen.

It is the third community targeted within a number of minutes.

There are no immediate reports of injuries or damage.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you @PommyMommy for all your thoughtful posts.

May we never forget 10/7.

And thank you for sharing your military expertise.

I will never forget.

#BRINGTHEMHOME

 

[PommyMommy]

10:52 am

IDF says it killed Hamas naval commander behind thwarted infiltration attempt​

The Israel Defense Forces says it has killed the commander of Hamas’s naval forces of the Gaza City Brigade, Rateb Abu Sahiban, in an overnight airstrike.

The IDF says Abu Sahiban planned and commanded a Hamas infiltration attempt via the sea on October 24th, which was foiled by Israeli Navy forces.

The military releases footage showing the overnight strike.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718172020599329220

 

[katydid23]

BBM. I so agree.
What my family, friends and I can't ignore is the news video showing Palestine parents frantically digging their children from the collapsed rubble of their homes, the elderly women and children lying on floors of hospitals with doctors desperately trying to save their lives,

WHY do you think they are lying on the hospital floors? Maybe because the terrorists insist upon hiding underneath the hospitals and using the patients as human shields?

running out of medical supplies, electricity, fuel. Heartbreaking to watch such suffering.

WHY do the people run out of those supplies? Hamas has hundreds of gallons of fuel and plenty of medical supplies and lots of available electricity.

Heartbreaking to see the way they steal from their people. They stole the water pipes from the people and used them ti make rockets to attack Israel. They stole gasoline from the hospital to use in their tunnels.

I was happy to see France is sending hospital aid via a military ship and hope the US and other western allies join in.

JMO

It's nice to see but they shouldn't have to supply the hospitals. Hamas is forcing that shortage themselves.

 

[PommyMommy]

11:05 am

IDF says military ‘advancing through stages of war’ in Gaza; no soldiers hurt so far in expanded ground op​

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military is “advancing through the stages of the war” in Gaza, with ground forces carrying out operations in the Strip.

“Infantry, armored, engineering and artillery forces participating in the activity, accompanied by heavy [air] fire,” he says, noting that “the forces are still on the ground and continue the fighting.”

He says no soldiers have been hurt in the expanded ground operation in Gaza so far.

On two Hamas commanders killed in overnight Israeli airstrikes — the head of the terror group’s aerial forces and a naval forces commander — Hagari says “their elimination brings good progress in the stages of the war and helps the forces fight a weaker enemy.”

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Gaza experiences heaviest bombing since war began as 150 targets hit by Israel​

Peter Beaumont

The Israel Defence Forces has said about 100 jets have struck 150 underground Hamas targets in Gaza in the heaviest aerial bombardment of the Gaza war so far, as Palestinian residents of Gaza reported clashes with Israeli armoured vehicles and infantry overnight in three locations in the Gaza Strip.

With internet and mobile services almost entirely cut off in Gaza from Friday evening, information about the situation in the Hamas-ruled coastal strip of 2.3 million people was scant. However, footage from media camera positions just outside Gaza in Israel and Egypt showed a night of endless airstrikes and artillery colouring the night sky orange.

According to an IDF spokesperson’s announcement, the airstrikes involving 100 Israeli jets hit combat tunnels, underground combat areas and underground terrorist infrastructure.

The handful of reports to emerge from inside Gaza described a chaotic situation, with paramedic teams struggling to coordinate the recovery of the dead and injured because of the lack of communications.

A statement from Hamas’s military wing on Friday night said it was fighting the IDF on the ground, although it was unclear on what scale.

According to reports from Gaza residents, the heaviest clashes appeared to be taking place in the north of Gaza in the area of Beit Lahia and Beit Hanoun, while clashes were also reported to the east of Burej in central Gaza and east of the southern city of Khan Younis, all areas that have been used as approach routes for Israeli incursions in the past.

The strikes on the extensive Hamas tunnel system in Gaza, known colloquially to Israeli military planners as the “metro”, comes after the released hostage Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, said she and other captives were taken deep inside the tunnels during her captivity.

Netanyahu speaks in Tel Aviv, pledges to ‘abolish this evil’ – as it happened

‘The war inside Gaza is going to be long,’ Netanyahu says, calling the ground invasion a ‘holy mission’.

www.theguardian.com

 

[PommyMommy]

Each. And. Every. One. Of. Them.

#BringThemHomeNow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718172175281078621

 

[Mo Thuairim]

'Total chaos' in Gaza after night of bombing, says BBC journalist​

A journalist working for the BBC in Gaza described “total chaos” during the night of strikes and in its aftermath.

“There was a huge bombardment in the north of Gaza Strip on a scale we’ve never seen before,” wrote Rushdi Abualouf.

“At the hospital here, ambulance drivers told me they couldn’t communicate with anyone, so they were just driving in the direction of the explosions.

“There’s been panic everywhere, even here in Khan Younis, where the bombing was less, as people try to reach family members in other areas to check they are safe, but the phones have been cut off.”

(...)

The World Health Organization (WHO) is out of touch with its staff and health facilities in Gaza, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus wrote in a post on social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

“The blackout is also making it impossible for ambulances to reach the injured,” Tedros said.

“The evacuation of patients is not possible under such circumstances, nor to find safe shelter,” he said.

(...)

In a live satellite TV broadcast from Gaza on Saturday morning, an Al Jazeera correspondent described the cut in internet and phone communications as “catastrophic” for rescue efforts following a night of heavy Israeli bombardment.

Unable to reach ambulance services, Palestinians were transporting the dead and injured to hospital in their cars, Reuters quoted the correspondent as saying.

“Gaza is currently blacked out,” said Paltel, the largest telecommunications provider in Gaza.

(...)

In case you missed this earlier, a fifth of bakeries supported by the UN’s agency for Palestinian refugees in Gaza have been bombed so far, as warnings have been issued of “catastrophic” food shortages due to a lack of fuel.

The UN Relief and Works Agency said 10 of the 50 bakeries it supplied with flour – helping to lower the soaring cost of bread – had been hit in airstrikes and fuel was running out for vehicles to transport flour to those that remained.

Bread has been desperately sought after, with long queues at bakeries, and has become the main food for many people in the shelters, which now house more than 600,000 people – triple their intended capacity.

The World Food Programme (WFP) said only two bakeries it had contracted had enough fuel to keep their ovens going and those that were operating were producing six times their capacity. The WFP had been supplying an average of 200,000 people a day with bread but that dropped to 150,000 on Wednesday, a spokesperson said.

Tens of thousands of people rely on small bakeries to find a loaf of bread to bring back to their families. People risk their lives and queue for hours, but they often go home empty-handed.

(...)

From Sderot on the northern Gaza border: a thick fog has covered Gaza and the southern Israeli coast.

Some artillery or tank fire could be heard at about 6.30am but since then it has been relatively quiet, with just an occasional detonation audible.

The big self-propelled guns dug into the farmland are silent for now.

Netanyahu speaks in Tel Aviv, pledges to ‘abolish this evil’ – as it happened

‘The war inside Gaza is going to be long,’ Netanyahu says, calling the ground invasion a ‘holy mission’.

www.theguardian.com

 

[katydid23]

Absolutely. And the U.S. isn't going to tolerate it.

JMO

U.S. Military Continues Focus on Supporting Israel, Ukraine

Approximately 900 U.S. troops are in the process of deploying to the U.S. Central Command area of operations, Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said.

www.defense.gov

Oct. 26, 2023 |

U.S. efforts in the Middle East remain focused on supporting Israel's defense needs as the nation battles Hamas terrorists in Gaza, deterring other actors who seek to use the Hamas war on Israel as a pretext to expand the conflict and to ensure force protection for U.S. forces serving in the region, Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said today.

Approximately 900 U.S. troops are in the process of deploying to the U.S. Central Command area of operations, Ryder said.

These include forces that had previously been put on prepare-to-deploy status and they are deploying from the continental United States.


Ryder confirmed that the United States is sending two U.S. Iron Dome systems to Israel to help further bolster air defense capabilities and protect citizens from rocket attacks.

 

[katydid23]

Zero money to support the war effort by Israel. They will be on their own.

JMO

U.S. Military Continues Focus on Supporting Israel, Ukraine

Approximately 900 U.S. troops are in the process of deploying to the U.S. Central Command area of operations, Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said.

www.defense.gov

 

[PommyMommy]

1min ago

IDF spokesman: ‘Bringing the hostages home is a national effort of utmost importance’​

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military is working to both eliminate the Hamas terror group and return the hostages it is holding in the Gaza Strip back to Israel.

“We are operating according to objectives that were set out for us: dismantling Hamas, protecting the borders, and a national effort to return the hostages,” Hagari says.

“All of these together are part of our judgment, our assessments, our progress, and the decision-making,” he says.

“We will make the most correct operational decisions, with these objectives as our compass,” Hagari continues.

“Bringing the hostages home is a national effort of utmost importance, and all our activities, operational, intelligence, are aimed at realizing this objective,” he adds.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Gazans mourn multiple casualties after overnight bombardment​

From CNN's Kareem Khadder

People gathered at Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir al-Balah in central Gaza on Saturday morning to mourn loved ones lost in a night of intense Israeli airstrikes.

Video captured by CNN shows multiple bodies, including those of children, covered in white shrouds or thick blankets, placed on the ground in the hospital yard.

Dr. Khalil Al-Dikran told CNN the hospital had received 22 bodies overnight and hundreds of injured. He said people had brought the dead and the wounded to hospital using everything from cars, bikes, and donkey carts.

Hospitals have lost contact with each other, he said, after communications networks were cut across the Gaza Strip.

People are desperate to find some news about their loved ones and their families,” he added.

Al-Dikran also said that after a pause of several hours, airstrikes had resumed again in central and northern Gaza.

Artillery fire had continued uninterrupted through the night, he said.

October 28, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel says the next stage of its war with Hamas has begun after expanding its ground operations in Gaza. "The war inside Gaza is going to be long," the Israeli prime minister warned.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Israeli hostage families demand government explanation of Gaza strikes

Families of Israeli hostages held by Hamas militants in Gaza have demanded an immediate government explanation about the fate of the captives after the army intensified strikes on the Palestinian territory.

The main group representing some 229 people believed abducted in the 7 October attacks by Hamas sought an immediate meeting with ministers.

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said in a statement that relatives were angry over the "absolute uncertainty regarding the fate of the hostages held (in Gaza), who were also subject to the heavy bombings".

"None of the war cabinet bothered to meet with the families to explain one thing -- whether the ground operation endangers the well being of the 229 hostages in Gaza," the group said.

"The families are worried about the fate of their loved ones and are waiting for an explanation. Every minute feels like eternity."

Israeli military 'still in the field' in northern Gaza

All the developments from the Israel-Hamas conflict as they happen as the World Health Organisation says it has lost touch with its staff and health facilities in Gaza.

www.rte.ie

 

[PommyMommy]

Reports of air defense activity over Tiberias in northern Israel. No sirens sounded.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718183401939763528

 

[katydid23]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> The US Military experienced the same problems when they tried to retaliate for 9/11 and go after the terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. They dealt with military munitions being hidden in civilian locations and with very difficult fighting situations because of the way terrorists put their own people in severe danger.

 

[PommyMommy]

Live updates: Israel says ground operations expanding in Gaza as war with Hamas rages (cnn.com)
4 min ago

It's mid-morning in Gaza and Israel. Here's what you need to know today​

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says its warplanes have struck 150 underground targets overnight as it is “expanding ground operations” in the Gaza Strip.

[...]

Here are the latest developments...

• A night of heavy Israeli airstrikes: The intensified bombardment began Friday evening local time. A CNN team on the ground in southern Israel, close to the border with Gaza, reported a series of large explosions rocking Gaza City in the north of the enclave, and “unusual, intense and sustained” military activity and hearing heavy machine gunfire.
• What it’s like in Gaza this morning: Residents have been gathering at a central Gaza hospital to mourn loved ones killed overnight. ... One doctor said the hospital had received 22 bodies overnight and hundreds of wounded. Gaza residents told CNN that Friday’s airstrikes were the most intense they have experienced since Israel began to retaliate against Hamas around three weeks ago.
• Communications impacted: Many are struggling to get in touch with people in Gaza after communications links were badly disrupted by the aerial assault, according to Palestinian telecoms company Jawwal. ...
• International community: Israel has rejected a call for a ceasefire in Gaza approved by the United Nations General Assembly on Friday, with the country's foreign minister calling it "despicable" in a post on social media. ...

 

[PommyMommy]

11:45 am

NYT: Arab, Western officials back Israel’s assertion that Hamas stockpiled food, fuel as Gaza residents go without​

An image shared by the IDF showing twelve oil tanks in which Hamas allegedly stores its reserves while the Gaza Strip is running out of fuel during the ongoing war with Israel, October 24, 2023. (IDF Arabic spokesman on X)

The New York Times backs up Israel’s assertion that Hamas is stockpiling food and fuel in the Gaza Strip, keeping it from residents who are in desperate need.

Arab and Western officials tell the outlet that the terror group has amassed stores in its vast network of tunnels.

“Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine,” the report says, citing the unnamed officials.

A senior Lebanese official tells the newspaper that Hamas has enough supplies for the terror group to sustain fighting for three to four months without a need for resupply.

The officials spoke to the newspaper on condition of anonymity so as not to reveal their sources.

Earlier this week, the IDF issued photos it said showed fuel tanks in the Gaza Strip, asserting it had information that half a million liters of fuel were being kept there by Hamas.

[...]

 

[katydid23]

Very true. The Israeli's have proved themselves to be as barbaric as the Hamas militants. <modsnip>

JMO

How does that show the Israelis to be barbaric? They only considered the hostages as possibly 'dead' because they know how Hamas will be treating them.

Israel knows that if they wait weeks to try and negotiate it still won't end in a release. Hamas will just stall as a strategy for their own benefit. Israel has learned how Hamas plays.