It is possible....isn't it?

[Leila]

I believe it is possible he could still be alive. Elizabeth Smart, Jaycee Dugard, Shasta Groene all came back home. There was a boy w/made for tv movie, I think my name is Steven(?), who helped another child escape a predator and they both made it back home. From what I know of the Mennonite and Huetterite communities is they are very community oriented, place their faith first, family and community are second and they are lawful and kind towards their neighbors, friends, and visitors. Someone with a personal agenda would more than likely be shunned by the community and I have no doubt they would contact authorities to see that a child made it home to his family safely. I do personally know people who either grew up in or are currently living in both of those cultures, and I just wanted to voice my limited knowledge. BTW, the Huetterites are not supposed to have radios and televisions, however they do have internet and computers. They used to purchase big pickup trucks with no radios, however - it's hard to get a pickup without a standard radio anymore. I have heard some of the men whistling country western songs when they didn't think anyone was listening. Best baked goods EVER!!!!!

There's been many abducted children found alive. One of the ones that made major headlines a few years ago was Shawn Hornbeck, who was kidnapped at the age of 11 while riding his bike near his home in a small town in Missouri. Four years later, Ben Ownsby, age 13, was kidnapped while walking from the school bus down the road to his home. A week later, police acting on a tip about a truck that was seen on that road about the time Ben disappeared, led them to an apartment in St. Louis. Police and everyone else were shocked when police found not only Ben Ownsby in that apartment, but Shawn Hornbeck. Shawn had been missing for 4 years!

Shawn made a remarkable recovery through therapy and tutoring, and graduated from high school with his class this past June.

We hope for a miracle with each case of a missing child. Kyron could still be with us.

My gut instinct is that TH is involved in Kyron's disappearance, and if that's the case, I fear he's deceased. If found alive, he'd be able to tell authorities what she did.

 

[SleuthyGal]

The difference is, in each of these cases the perp was determined to be someone outside the family, once the investigation got far enough along to rule out family members. The family closest to the missing person is always looked at first--that's standard police investigation. Then they rule out as they go along, if they can.

LE believes, based on everything they've determined thus far, that it was an intimate family member involved in Kyron's disappearance.

If the police are correct and someone in Kyron's family did this, don't you think if Kyron were alive and well and could be brought home, he would be? If TH did it, do you really think TH wants to be in the spotlight this way if she could end this by making sure Kyron got home? Do you really think someone is 'holding' Kyron as a favor for TH or someone? Or for money? And who can pay enough to keep someone quiet?

Nope. None of those things make sense.

And if it were a stranger abduction inside the school, why haven't the police said anything about it? Why no reports of anything--a vehicle, a composite, a witness somewhere...

I believe (though I don't want to, but I'm a realist) that Kyron is dead and it appears from all indications thus far that someone close to him (like TH) did this and dumped him or buried him somewhere. The more time that passes the more evidence is lost if a body is found (through decomp) and that's exactly what a killer wants: Optimally the victim not found, or if found, no evidence left that can be used against the perp.

 

[nosysw]

LE believes, based on everything they've determined thus far, that it was an intimate family member involved in Kyron's disappearance.

I believe (though I don't want to, but I'm a realist) that Kyron is dead and it appears from all indications thus far that someone close to him (like TH) did this and dumped him or buried him somewhere. The more time that passes the more evidence is lost if a body is found (through decomp) and that's exactly what a killer wants: Optimally the victim not found, or if found, no evidence left that can be used against the perp.

above sbm

Since I do think TH is responsible and that he's dead I can't disagree with what you say...But, don't you think there is any possibility that someone known to TH could have done this, known or unbeknownst to her? Of course, Kyron could say what she did if he saw her do it...But what if he didn't see it? Isn't that even a remote possibility?

 

[SleuthyGal]

any possibility that someone known to TH could have done this, known or unbeknownst to her?

Sure there's a possibility, however slim. But the OP is holding out hope for an alive Kyron and sadly, I don't think that's what's going to happen in this case.

Again, if LE had any reason to think Kyron was abducted by someone and was alive, don't you think they'd say something/anything so people would be on the lookout for this mystery person?

I'm confident that LE w/ the FBI's assistance, has looked at all the angles and now they are extending outward to look (specifically at TH's friends and contacts), while at the same time trying to gather evidence against TH.

Unless one assumes LE is a bumbling bunch of cops and the FBI too, for that matter. And why would Kaine and DY and TY feel so strongly about TH being involved? That's a terrible accusation to make and I can't see them making it lightly, let alone publicly, regardless of how much grief and frustration they feel.

In no other case that people have cited above as a reason to hold on to hope for an alive Kyron, have members of the missing person's intimate family believed another family member was responsible for the abduction. All of those other families believed 100% in a stranger abduction and in those cases that's exactly what happened.

Why not in this case?

Because this case is nothing like Elizabeth Smart, Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Dugard or the others. There were witnesses to most of those abductions and evidence of the same in cases where there wasn't a witness!

 

[Leila]

The difference is, in each of these cases the perp was determined to be someone outside the family, once the investigation got far enough along to rule out family members. The family closest to the missing person is always looked at first--that's standard police investigation. Then they rule out as they go along, if they can.

LE believes, based on everything they've determined thus far, that it was an intimate family member involved in Kyron's disappearance.

If the police are correct and someone in Kyron's family did this, don't you think if Kyron were alive and well and could be brought home, he would be? If TH did it, do you really think TH wants to be in the spotlight this way if she could end this by making sure Kyron got home? Do you really think someone is 'holding' Kyron as a favor for TH or someone? Or for money? And who can pay enough to keep someone quiet?

Nope. None of those things make sense.

And if it were a stranger abduction inside the school, why haven't the police said anything about it? Why no reports of anything--a vehicle, a composite, a witness somewhere...

I believe (though I don't want to, but I'm a realist) that Kyron is dead and it appears from all indications thus far that someone close to him (like TH) did this and dumped him or buried him somewhere. The more time that passes the more evidence is lost if a body is found (through decomp) and that's exactly what a killer wants: Optimally the victim not found, or if found, no evidence left that can be used against the perp.

It's because I believe TH is involved in Kyron's disappearance that I think he's deceased. If she was involved, and he's alive, she would find a way to bring him home. For TH, it would be far better for her if she faced charges of parental abduction rather than murder.

I'm assuming that since Kyron lived with his father that TH, as his stepmother, would be included as a parent - thus parental abduction.

 

[RubyRed]

15 Jul 2010


A girl who was kidnapped when she was a toddler has been found alive nearly seven years after her abduction.
n a case that may offer hope to the parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann, Amber Nicklas was discovered alive and well in Phoenix, Arizona, 370 miles away from her hometown in California.
Amber Nicklas was 13 months old when she was abducted by her three teenage aunts from a Los Angeles restaurant in 2003.

She was discovered seven years later, apparently living with an acquaintance of her family.
Detectives said she had not been to school and could not read, but could speak English and some Romanian, and was in good physical condition

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...pped-seven-years-ago-found-safe-and-well.html


I think as long as there is no evidence to the contrary, we can always hope.

 

[txsvicki]

I think it's very possible Kyron is alive and not with someone who doesn't know of the case, but with someone who was convinced that he was abused. There seems to be lots of evidence that it could be possible. Of course, should there have been drugs or mental illness involved, then there could also have been a sudden rage or horrible plan that went bad like Casey A. Except for the alleged mfh plot against Kaine, there's no evidence of that though.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Babies and toddlers are often kidnapped because the perp wants a child of their own or (like in this case) it's a family member trying to get custody or control of the child.

Again, very different case than Kyron's.

A 7 yr old child who is abducted is usually for nefarious purposes, not because someone decided they wanted to raise a 7 yr old.

So we're back to:

- Was Kyron taken by a family member or a non-family member/stranger?

- What does the investigation by LE point to?

- If you believe Kyron was taken by someone outside the family or a stranger, why don't Kyron's parents and stepfather share that view?

 

[SleuthyGal]

I think it's very possible Kyron is alive and not with someone who doesn't know of the case, but with someone who was convinced that he was abused. There seems to be lots of evidence that it could be possible.

Please share this 'lots of' evidence. I've seen nothing to even hint at that (besides peoples' wild imaginations).

And even if someone thought Kyron might be in an abusive situation, don't you think by now, with all the publicity and stories and media attention they'd come to realize (10+ weeks later) that he's not in any harm by his parents?

Nope, sorry. There is absolutely no evidence of this scenario.

ETA:

Except for the alleged mfh plot against Kaine, there's no evidence of that though.

So you discount all the evidence LE has amassed so far against TH? The inconsistent stories about her whereabouts that afternoon, the cell phone pings in a place she claimed to not be (Sauvie Island), the secret cell phones and calls, her 'driving around' for 90 min with her baby in secluded backroads near the school, the alleged failing of polygraph questions, the murder-for-hire allegation? All of that counts as "no evidence?"

 

[citigirl]

Except for the alleged mfh plot against Kaine, there's no evidence of that though.

That's a BIG exception LOL...

 

[FORDANIEL]

As an example,of how few people know about this case,the other day,when the family put up a new web page on "Bring Kyron Home," I posted it to my FB profile and wall,and the ONLY person that made a comment,or hit "like",was my sister,and her comment was,"isn't that the escaped convict,scary isn't it?" I encouraged her to open the web sight,and make a copy of the poster,in fact I asked everyone on FB to do so,just one ,all over the country,so you never know-he could be missing in plain sight,although reason tells me that is not the case.

 

[tabacue]

Just a couple of comments, I wanted to make....I don't think we actually developed an "Amish theory". References to the Amish, Mennonites, Off-Grid types, etc were simply put forth to establish that there are people that don't follow the MSM and may be unaware of Kyron's case.

I agree that Kryon's case is not like Jaycee's or Shawn's, etc. I'm not sure that fits the mold of any case I have heard of in the past, which is another reason I kind of feel like anything is possible. However, the point about pre-verbal children is well taken. I agree that it probably does happen a lot more than we realize.


I am on the fence about whether Kyron is alive but the mom in me wants to believe anything is possible. I am glad to see that some of us feel the same way.

 

[cluciano63]

Most times when a child is "missing" and an immediate family member is "suspected" or harming him or her, the child is not alive. Most posters here and seemingly most of those following this case (as well as LE) believe this to be an act by a certain family member, in which case I don't think there is a much of a chance that Kyron is alive and well, being kept elsewhere; it doesn't go with the theory of a family member being involved. (I'm sure there is the odd case, but in general, family member suspect=harm to child; we've seen it time and again.)

But who knows? Anything could be true. I am concerned that we might never know...which is unimaginable for all concerned.

 

[nosysw]

Just a couple of comments, I wanted to make....I don't think we actually developed an "Amish theory". References to the Amish, Mennonites, Off-Grid types, etc were simply put forth to establish that there are people that don't follow the MSM and may be unaware of Kyron's case.

I agree that Kryon's case is not like Jaycee's or Shawn's, etc. I'm not sure that fits the mold of any case I have heard of in the past, which is another reason I kind of feel like anything is possible. However, the point about pre-verbal children is well taken. I agree that it probably does happen a lot more than we realize.


I am on the fence about whether Kyron is alive but the mom in me wants to believe anything is possible. I am glad to see that some of us feel the same way.

I think many points are well taken but as I said before I am happy you started this thread with what I assumed was an interest in generating some positive energy about a case in which I think the vast majority of us suspect the worst, myself included, but are struggling to hold on to some little glimmer of hope. (wow that was a great run-on if I do say so myself!)... Although I may follow each and every thread that rehashes over and over why TH is guilty and whether DDS is an accomplice or victim of friendship I will always believe that with God anything is possible and I will continue to pray for the best until anything else is confirmed.

So, thanks again...I will keep the rose colored glasses on when I'm viewing this thread. :rose:

 

[neetz57]

Just a couple of comments, I wanted to make....I don't think we actually developed an "Amish theory". References to the Amish, Mennonites, Off-Grid types, etc were simply put forth to establish that there are people that don't follow the MSM and may be unaware of Kyron's case.

I agree that Kryon's case is not like Jaycee's or Shawn's, etc. I'm not sure that fits the mold of any case I have heard of in the past, which is another reason I kind of feel like anything is possible. However, the point about pre-verbal children is well taken. I agree that it probably does happen a lot more than we realize.


I am on the fence about whether Kyron is alive but the mom in me wants to believe anything is possible. I am glad to see that some of us feel the same way.

JMO, but I have doubts about whether the Amish would take in a strange little boy without asking a whole lot of questions. Just doesn't fly for me.

 

[CASH]

Have you guys checked out the other thread about the letter from DS's ex-boyfriend? He claims he does child advocacy work and then details how and why he thinks DS helped TH stash Kyron...along the lines of what some on this thread have wondered. See below to for the link.


Originally Posted by RubyRed
Jason Wishert, who has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade,

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...boyfriend.html

He then goes on to say that he thinks she is guilty of an act of "child advocacy". He thinks she was convinced to hide Kyron because she was told he needed protection. Where could she have learned to do this? Could it be from him, a so-called child advocate who helps to protect endangered children?

I hope the police are looking very seriously at this guy. This sounds almost like a confessional to me. Like he wants people to know that this is what happened, that it started with the best intentions and has gotten out of hand. He wants people to know she is a good person, but at the same time, he basically says he thinks she helped Terry hide Kyron.

Some of you think he has little to say. I think he just told us what happened to Kyron.

 

[revampz]

I too beleive he is alive somewhere......dont know where tho......the reason being is I just cant see this woman killing him....I know, I know..naive......the only way I think he is dead is if she accidentally killed him, be it rage etc ......however this is not likely as his disappearance seems so planned.....

The other reason I dont think she killed him is because of other peoples involvement.......unless they unwittingly became involved.........

But once again I also can not understand if they have him stashed why has Terri not bought him out of hiding to get the pressure of......

Now if he was abducted by a stranger, he is deceased....

Sometimes it;s hard being a libran......

 

[MsFacetious]

Elizabeth Smart... Jaycee Dugard.... Shasta Groene.... Shawn Hornbeck.... Shannon Dedrick....

Yes, it's possible.

I am well known for being heartless. I am the deliverer of bad news in the family.

I don't get "involved" or "attached" which is why I would have been good at photojournalism. I could photograph the searches for missing children, without thinking about what they were searching for. Thinking about the dogs, horses, the gorgeous scenery, what angles to shoot from.

I have done it with the Utah ones, often while searching...regardless of the outcome. Even Ethan, which was definitely the hardest but made me more angry than emotional.

Kyron is the first, out of all of them...where I simply refuse to accept anything less than to see him home with his family.

I'm not realistic with Kyron like I am in every other case. I'm a Mom, of a 6 and 7 year old. I relate to Desiree (which is also odd for me, I don't relate) and I'm not objective.

I had no reason to think I would get emotional about this case, which is why I started following it. I'm still not quite sure why I did get emotionally involved like I have.

If I lived in Oregon, I could not photograph any of Kyron's searches, press conferences, etc because I'm too personally involved in it.

I simply want to see that press conference, with the video of Kyron being reunited with his parents.

That's all I ask.

 

[tabacue]

I think many points are well taken but as I said before I am happy you started this thread with what I assumed was an interest in generating some positive energy about a case in which I think the vast majority of us suspect the worst, myself included, but are struggling to hold on to some little glimmer of hope. (wow that was a great run-on if I do say so myself!)... Although I may follow each and every thread that rehashes over and over why TH is guilty and whether DDS is an accomplice or victim of friendship I will always believe that with God anything is possible and I will continue to pray for the best until anything else is confirmed.

So, thanks again...I will keep the rose colored glasses on when I'm viewing this thread. :rose:

BBM

Nosysw, that is exactly why I started this thread. I read most of the threads too. It was my hope that after reading thread after thread of body dumping, burying, drugging, stroller stuffing, etc. we might have an outlet to say, "Well, you know what maybe it is possible"...a relief of sorts. It definitely wasn't to debate whether or not Kyron is alive because there are plenty of other threads to present those theories. I think for the most part we've accomplished that kind of outlet with this thread. Thanks for participating in it. I wasn't sure how the thread would be received.

 

[boggled_in_ohio]

Have you guys checked out the other thread about the letter from DS's ex-boyfriend? He claims he does child advocacy work and then details how and why he thinks DS helped TH stash Kyron...along the lines of what some on this thread have wondered. See below to for the link.


Originally Posted by RubyRed
Jason Wishert, who has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade,

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...boyfriend.html

He then goes on to say that he thinks she is guilty of an act of "child advocacy". He thinks she was convinced to hide Kyron because she was told he needed protection. Where could she have learned to do this? Could it be from him, a so-called child advocate who helps to protect endangered children?

I hope the police are looking very seriously at this guy. This sounds almost like a confessional to me. Like he wants people to know that this is what happened, that it started with the best intentions and has gotten out of hand. He wants people to know she is a good person, but at the same time, he basically says he thinks she helped Terry hide Kyron.

Some of you think he has little to say. I think he just told us what happened to Kyron.

that link wont work for me, it just takes me to a site index. Do you have another link, I really want to read that article! TIA