Italy’s Highest Appeals Court to Decide Amanda Knox’s Fate

[Mrs G Norris]

I don't see the Italian courts backing down, admitting the truth or apologising, and only expect the worse. I do not expect Amanda to leave the USA either.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am from Nebraska. If I go to Colorado and buy pot and bring it back to Nebraska to smoke, can I insist I be tried by Colorado law since I purchased the pot legally?

It's my belief that when you are charged with a crime, you are held to the law of the jurisdiction a crime occurred.

That is not the same thing at all. The states are not sovereign. I do believe there are places where there is no justice in this world, Where people are killed for things like driving and going to school. Not all justice systems are the same. What I believe is that had they not let her go when they acquitted her and kept her in custody, They would have a say. If they choose to find her guilty again and want her back, that is too bad. I know it is not popular and I am okay with that.
I have been sitting here going over the evidence and again I come to the same conclusion. RG did this and the police wanted to make it look like AK and RS did.

 

[iluvmua]

That is not the same thing at all. The states are not sovereign. I do believe there are places where there is no justice in this world, Where people are killed for things like driving and going to school. Not all justice systems are the same. What I believe is that had they not let her go when they acquitted her and kept her in custody, They would have a say. If they choose to find her guilty again and want her back, that is too bad. I know it is not popular and I am okay with that.
I have been sitting here going over the evidence and again I come to the same conclusion. RG did this and the police wanted to make it look like AK and RS did.

The evidence would suggest otherwise. MOO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The evidence would suggest otherwise. MOO

Really I don't think it does. I think it shows that the police tried to include AK and RS in this crime but in the end they got the killer RG.
That is what I see when I pour over all I look at and try and find the truth in the craziness of this all.

 

[Myvice]

That is not the same thing at all. The states are not sovereign. I do believe there are places where there is no justice in this world, Where people are killed for things like driving and going to school. Not all justice systems are the same. What I believe is that had they not let her go when they acquitted her and kept her in custody, They would have a say. If they choose to find her guilty again and want her back, that is too bad. I know it is not popular and I am okay with that.
I have been sitting here going over the evidence and again I come to the same conclusion. RG did this and the police wanted to make it look like AK and RS did.

I agree that not all justice systems are equal. That is why I live in the US and research the laws of any country I chose to travel to. If I can't abide by their laws I don't visit the country. I realize I'm a guest and have to respect the rules of my host.

I, too, have gone over the evidence and I just come to a different conclusion than others. I have no hate in my heart for anyone. But I do expect people to be accountable for their actions. I don't understand the logic that because Rudy has served his time, the others involved should be given a pass.

 

[CoolJ]

here is an example of what people were seeing initially in the weeks after the murders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-498853/The-wild-raunchy-past-Foxy-Knoxy.html

This is where the hate seed was planted. All thanks to Mignini. Then come along Casey Anthony and then Jodi Arias and everyone just assumed they must all be alike. I remember the comments well... "look at hers eyes, you can see the evil", "she looks like she has no soul" "Just like Casey Anthony" etc. etc. etc.

ETA - there are many many articles just like this one

 

[dgfred]

I am done with this. I have an opinion backed up by an international lawyer.
I won't be swayed in this case. I don't believe that she will be sent back.

Can we call that we may be suffering Double-Jeopardy.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I agree that not all justice systems are equal. That is why I live in the US and research the laws of any country I chose to travel to. If I can't abide by their laws I don't visit the country. I realize I'm a guest and have to respect the rules of my host.

I, too, have gone over the evidence and I just come to a different conclusion than others. I have no hate in my heart for anyone. But I do expect people to be accountable for their actions. I don't understand the logic that because Rudy has served his time, the others involved should be given a pass.

I feel that RG is the guilty party here. I don't see anything that screams to me that RS and AK had a part in her murder.

 

[dgfred]

So if some of the media portray the accused in a bad way... all the judges/jurors/courts will be overcome by this and rule against them???

These are weak bases for a debate for innocent IMO. A legitimate Court(s) have found both AK and RS guilty. There is no way around that at this point. The Supreme Court rules whether to confirm.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So if some of the media portray the accused in a bad way... all the judges/jurors/courts will be overcome by this and rule against them???

These are weak bases for a debate for innocent IMO. A legitimate Court(s) have found both AK and RS guilty. There is no way around that at this point. The Supreme Court rules whether to confirm.

And then found them not guilty of the same charges with the same evidence. Go figure.

 

[sherlockh]

Hi everyone, has the court made their decision yet?

Also, anyone have a link to Raffaele's latest appeal in which he distances himself from Amanda and says that he can't be sure whether she was there for whole time or not?

TIA.

He was in several Italian radio and TV shows to make it clear that he can't remember. I am not sure what he is trying to accomplish with it. It all seems a bit too late to me. It goes like this:

"I can't say if she went out.
I can't be sure if she went out that evening.
I don't have any facts to back it up.
*But she might have gone out.
Sure.
*Introduced Rudy into Meredith's place.
Anything could have happened, what I said.
I told the judge at the preliminary investigation.
They asked me about Amanda particularly about this.
And I said I don't know if she went out that night."
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2josfb_rs-15-03-2015_school

 

[CoolJ]

For those who don't believe that AK and RS were acquitted, here are some articles for your reading pleasure:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-acquitted-leaves-prison/story?id=14654317

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/w...ox-defends-herself-in-italian-court.html?_r=0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/amanda-knox-verdict-_n_992798.html


and here is video of the actual verdict being read:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdK9L2ZtoA

 

[aa9511]

1. No, the ruling will be tomorrow
2. I found the 306 page document, but it is in italian.

Ah yes, I forgot about the whole Italian thing......

thanks. I read an article about it that said now he claims there was some time when he did not know whether Amanda was with him or not (guess when he claims he fell asleep?). Also it referred to Rudy's statement that the motive 'might' have begun over the money, that Meredith accused or suggested that Amanda took the money as well as some credit cards.

That is what it said in the article, I don't know what else he wrote. Guess we'll have to wait and find out later.

Thanks!

 

[aa9511]

Friday. He doesn't really distance himself... in fact it doesn't have much gusto at all IMO.

Yah guess he's trying to ride a middle road. Thanks.

 

[otto]

For those who don't believe that AK and RS were acquitted, here are some articles for your reading pleasure:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-acquitted-leaves-prison/story?id=14654317

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/w...ox-defends-herself-in-italian-court.html?_r=0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/amanda-knox-verdict-_n_992798.html


and here is video of the actual verdict being read:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdK9L2ZtoA

If the prosecution did not have the right to appeal, then the process would have ended then and there. However, in Italy (and many countries), the prosecution can appeal and did. As a result, that decision was annulled. Today we are waiting to see if the guilty verdict will be affirmed. We are not waiting to see if an acquittal will be affirmed.

 

[CoolJ]

If the prosecution did not have the right to appeal, then the process would have ended then and there. However, in Italy (and many countries), the prosecution can appeal and did. As a result, that decision was annulled. Today we are waiting to see if the guilty verdict will be affirmed. We are not waiting to see if an acquittal will be confirmed.

I understand what this decision was about. I am responding to posters who say they weren't acquitted. They were. Combine this with the obvious corruption involved, and it doesnt matter what the decision is tomorrow. AK is not going back to prison. RS on the other hand will have to sit in prison with all of the other wrongfully convicted italians. JMO

 

[otto]

I understand what this decision was about. I am responding to posters who say they weren't acquitted. They were. Combine this with the obvious corruption involved, and it doesnt matter what the decision is tomorrow. AK is not going back to prison. RS on the other hand will have to sit in prison with all of the other wrongfully convicted italians. JMO

We know that the decision was successfully appealed by the prosecution, and that the decision has been annulled.
How is that annulled acquittal relevant today?

 

[aa9511]

:seeya: I found a link at the Wiki Page, but it's in Italian

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...l-Supplementare-Bongiorno-Maori-Sollecito.pdf

I hope that the True Justice for Meredith Kercher/PMF groups will translate this document.

Thanks! I gotta say from the pictures I've seen that Raf seems to be handling this better than Amanda - probably because of more family/friends support and also because Amanda was more messed up psychologically from the very beginning (like before the murder I mean). You can see all the stress shows on Amanda's face, but Raf still looks kind of the same.

 

[aa9511]

The entire double jeopardy suggestion is based on US law, which states that the prosecutor cannot appeal a verdict. The belief, in the US, is that if a prosecutor can appeal a verdict, and the appeal is successful, then there is double jeopardy.

Let's look way up, across the border to that beautiful country in the North: Canada. In that country, there is double jeopardy, but the prosecutor can appeal a verdict. If the verdict is overturned, then the earlier trial judgement is annulled. Hard to believe, but this is exactly what happened in Italy.

Rather than suggest that US law should be imposed on the courts in Italy, let's impose Canadian law on the courts in Italy ... or rather, let's respect Canadian law and Italian law and accept the fact that Knox and Sollecito's acquittal was annulled by law.

The double jeopardy suggestion seems to hinge on the belief that US law applies to US citizens when they are convicted of a criminal offence in a foreign country. Is there any basis for that belief, or is merely a wish? Per US law, should Knox have had her appeals denied and been put to death shortly after she was convicted of murder?

Hi Otto!!!

 

[CoolJ]

We know that the decision was successfully appealed by the prosecution, and that the decision has been annulled.
How is that annulled acquittal relevant today?

Because many experts in international law and extradition believe that it amounts to double jeopardy. Therefore extraditing her would violate her constitutional rights.
This isn't me saying this, it is the experts saying this. There are quoted links upthread to support this.