Italy - Beau Solomon, 19, UW student, Rome, 30 June 2016 *Arrest*

[MU42M]

^Sloppy Sam's is notorious among students. They'd serve someone dying of alcohol poisoning in their bar another shot.


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[ninij9]

^Sloppy Sam's is notorious among students. They'd serve someone dying of alcohol poisoning in their bar another shot.


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I think in other countries people are considered more responsible for themselves, not like here in America where we feel (and sometimes rightly so), that establishments bear some of the burden for serving. Jmo.

I backpacked through Europe, including Rome and there is a very different drinking culture there. Kids are more acquainted with alcohol at an earlier age. They are expected to handle themselves at 18. So in this case I do feel that this university abroad bears more responsibility to its charges after collecting large sums of money from their parents, not the bar. But jmo. This is just a horror and tragic beyond my comprehension.


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[Blondie in Spokane]

Pictured: The homeless man, 40, who 'went back to sleep as if nothing happened after a drunken riverside brawl with US student which ended with the teen drowning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brawl-ended-teen-drowning.html#ixzz4DdiV3d8A

 

[ninij9]

Pictured: The homeless man, 40, who 'went back to sleep as if nothing happened after a drunken riverside brawl with US student which ended with the teen drowning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brawl-ended-teen-drowning.html#ixzz4DdiV3d8A

This article makes me even more angry. Witnesses saw the whole thing and no one tried to fish him out of the river? This is unforgivable. Others should be charged.

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[Ray_of_hope]

"Beau, from Wisconsin and in Rome on a five week summer course, is believed to have been mugged by a North African crime gang that he chased to the riverbank where he was then met by Galioto." So Hatfield was right. I know this can happen in the US and does with alarming frequency. I just always thought of Europe as being much safer than here in the US. And I suppose it is statistically...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brawl-ended-teen-drowning.html#ixzz4Ddq16O8a
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[Ray_of_hope]

This article makes me even more angry. Witnesses saw the whole thing and no one tried to fish him out of the river? This is unforgivable. Others should be charged.

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I agree. Or even called for help for Beau. sigh...
When I majored in accounting, we were required to take a contract law course. I was surprised to learn that we are not legally liable if we refuse to stop a baby carriage flying down a hill towards a highway of oncoming traffic. Morally and ethically, we bear responsibility, but there are no legal ramifications. I don't know about foreign law.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I am not trying to be funny or irreverent, but I sincerely hope that someone (hopefully the girlfriend) is caring for the perpetrators dogs while he is incarcerated. After all they are true innocents here and very vulnerable on their own. (Article above states that perpetrator has dogs and shows a pic of one sleeping next to him).

 

[Elainera]

2 years ago, John Durkin 21, a study abroad student from NH, USA was found in a train tunnel in Rome. He had been hit by a train. I wonder how he got into that tunnel. He too, was alone after leaving a bar in Rome. There was a 4 hour window from the time he left the bar until seen on security video before the train hit him. He appeared intoxicated and without wounds. But he had no ID on him!! He had been with a group and stayed later.
http://www.pressherald.com/2014/02/...john_durkin_walking_on_train_tracks_in_rome_/

"Italian authorities say Durkin was struck by a train in a railroad tunnel between St. Peter’s and Trastevere train stations. The tunnel is about two miles from the bar, Sloppy Sam’s, in the opposite direction from his dormitory.

The area where the bar is located, the Piazza Campo dei Fiori, has open air markets during the day and is a popular nightspot for foreign tourists. It also has seen incidents of violence in recent years, according to press reports."

rsbm and bbm

Ray do you think there is a connection between the two tragedies? Is this the same bar/tourist area Beau last visited?

Pictured: The homeless man, 40, who 'went back to sleep as if nothing happened after a drunken riverside brawl with US student which ended with the teen drowning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brawl-ended-teen-drowning.html#ixzz4DdiV3d8A

bbm

So he went in the water alive? If so, I doubt they can pin Massimo down for intentional murder.

"Beau, from Wisconsin and in Rome on a five week summer course, is believed to have been mugged by a North African crime gang that he chased to the riverbank where he was then met by Galioto." So Hatfield was right. I know this can happen in the US and does with alarming frequency. I just always thought of Europe as being much safer than here in the US. And I suppose it is statistically...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brawl-ended-teen-drowning.html#ixzz4Ddq16O8a
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bbm

It definitely was, but with the recent massive influx of immigrants my feeling is it has changed a lot. Europe is not what it once was. jmo

Wikipedia lists countries by intentional homicide rate, where Italy is listed at 0.8 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants (2014) and the US at 3.9 per 100,000 inhabitants (2013). Other European countries have similar low murder rates. The source for these statistics is a study by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) called Global Study on Homicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I agree. Or even called for help for Beau. sigh...
When I majored in accounting, we were required to take a contract law course. I was surprised to learn that we are not legally liable if we refuse to stop a baby carriage flying down a hill towards a highway of oncoming traffic. Morally and ethically, we bear responsibility, but there are no legal ramifications. I don't know about foreign law.

I know that in Germany it is a crime not to help. It's called "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (= failure to provide help) ( § 323c StGB). I don't know about other European countries.

 

[Elainera]

I am not trying to be funny or irreverent, but I sincerely hope that someone (hopefully the girlfriend) is caring for the perpetrators dogs while he is incarcerated. After all they are true innocents here and very vulnerable on their own. (Article above states that perpetrator has dogs and shows a pic of one sleeping next to him).

Thank you for thinking of the dogs! Maybe they are stray dogs? Rome does have a lot of strays I think? (Not saying that strays should get less care than pets, but they more easily adapt to changing circumstances and absent feeders.)

 

[MelmothTheLost]

When I majored in accounting, we were required to take a contract law course. I was surprised to learn that we are not legally liable if we refuse to stop a baby carriage flying down a hill towards a highway of oncoming traffic. Morally and ethically, we bear responsibility, but there are no legal ramifications. I don't know about foreign law.

I know that France has a "Good Samaritan" law which requires others to stop and provide what assistance they reasonably can. I believe it's a criminal offence not to do so. However, no idea about other countries.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Posted and quoted from Elainera: "I know that in Germany it is a crime not to help. It's called "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (= failure to provide help) ( § 323c StGB). I don't know about other European countries."

Wow, what a compassionate law! I wish we had such a law here.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

"Beau, from Wisconsin and in Rome on a five week summer course, is believed to have been mugged by a North African crime gang that he chased to the riverbank where he was then met by Galioto." So Hatfield was right. I know this can happen in the US and does with alarming frequency. I just always thought of Europe as being much safer than here in the US. And I suppose it is statistically...

I'm not so sure that is the case now, at least in countries which have seen massive immigration recently from Africa, the Middle East and south Asia. There's an epidemic of street crime, and especially of sexual assault against women and children. I'd say parts of Europe are now clearly unsafe.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Posted and quoted from Elainera: "I know that in Germany it is a crime not to help. It's called "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (= failure to provide help) ( § 323c StGB). I don't know about other European countries."

Wow, what a compassionate law! I wish we had such a law here.

I suspect the litigiousness of the US would make it impossible to enact.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I know that France has a "Good Samaritan" law which requires others to stop and provide what assistance they reasonably can. I believe it's a criminal offence not to do so. However, no idea about other countries.

I believe our Good Samaritan Law only protects US citizens if we do help, but there's no requirement to help. For most of us, it's a visceral response to help, thank goodness.

"Good Samaritan laws generally provide basic legal protection for those who assist a person who is injured or in danger. In essence, these laws protect the “Good Samaritan” from liability if unintended consequences result from their assistance. All 50 states and the District of Columbia have some type of Good Samaritan law. Who is protected under these laws (physicians, emergency medical technicians, and other first responders) and how these laws are implemented vary from state to state. In addition, some states extend Good Samaritan liability protection to cover business and nonprofit entities acting during an emergency."
http://www.aaos.org/AAOSNow/2014/Jan/managing/managing3/?ssopc=1

And this link is better because it is a broader definition: (and it looks like it protects the victim more because " the person giving the aid owes the stranger a duty of being reasonably careful.")

http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/good-samaritans/

 

[Cryptic]

From above link:

"Solomon, who was a keen American footballer, gave chase to the gang who ran down an embankment towards the River Tiber near the Garibaldi bridge."

"Italian media said CCTV footage covering the riverbank shows Solomon getting into a scuffle with homeless man Massimo Galioto, who has an encampment underneath the bridge."

"The footage apparently shows the moment Solomon was pushed into the river."

"His body was recovered almost three miles downstream on Monday near the Marconi Bridge."

The homeless guy's claim seems to be:

"I was just minding my own business when from out of nowhere, a foreign tourist rushed into my encampement while chasing a duo of muggers. Gosh, he must of ran all the way from the tourists bars to a homeless encampment despite being in an unfamiliar country. Anyways, he then attacked me and I defended myself by pushing him into the river. Not thinking it was important, I did not tell anybody about it until the police asked me."

Though possible in the technical sense, this seems very unlikely. If the victim was sober enough to realize that he had been robbed, see the people who robbed him, and to give chase, it is very unlikely that he would then turn on an uninvolved homeless person.

I have a deep suspiscion that the homeless man is invovled with the two robbers. This could be as either the lure (" Dont worry, I"ll call a taxi...") or as the fence to whom the two Morroccans bring stolen items to after their muggings, purse natching and parcel snatchings. My guess is that the following occurred:

- The Italian homeless guy serves as the "Taxi lure" where the "random cab" is driven by one, or both of the Morrocans (I think one eyewitness saw the victim being brought to the area in a car)
- They bring him to the homeless encampment / property dumping site where they feel comfortable.
- He is robbed. When he resists, he is beaten up by the younger Morrocans. The homeless guy then pushes him into the river because he wants to impress the Morroccans, or because he has been watching too many movies and wants to recreate a movie scene.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I believe our Good Samaritan Law only protects US citizens if we do help, but there's no requirement to help. For most of us, it's a visceral response to help, thank goodness.

"Good Samaritan laws generally provide basic legal protection for those who assist a person who is injured or in danger. In essence, these laws protect the “Good Samaritan” from liability if unintended consequences result from their assistance. All 50 states and the District of Columbia have some type of Good Samaritan law. Who is protected under these laws (physicians, emergency medical technicians, and other first responders) and how these laws are implemented vary from state to state. In addition, some states extend Good Samaritan liability protection to cover business and nonprofit entities acting during an emergency."
http://www.aaos.org/AAOSNow/2014/Jan/managing/managing3/?ssopc=1

And this link is better because it is a broader definition:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/good-samaritans/

Ah, so there is a similar thing in the US with a varying degree of protection against legal action. That's good.

 

[Elainera]

I'm not so sure that is the case now, at least in countries which have seen massive immigration recently from Africa, the Middle East and south Asia. There's an epidemic of street crime, and especially of sexual assault against women and children. I'd say parts of Europe are now clearly unsafe.

Exactly. Europe is changing. A lot. And not for the better imo.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Ah, so there is a similar thing in the US with a varying degree of protection against legal action. That's good.

Sorry I had edited and added a sentence and wanted you to see it. Copied from my post above: (and it looks like it protects the victim more because " the person giving the aid owes the stranger a duty of being reasonably careful.")
Which I'm sure did arise from our culture being more litigious.
Thanks MelmothTheLost.

 

[ninij9]

I'm not so sure that is the case now, at least in countries which have seen massive immigration recently from Africa, the Middle East and south Asia. There's an epidemic of street crime, and especially of sexual assault against women and children. I'd say parts of Europe are now clearly unsafe.

I agree. I have read so many horror stories lately. Breaks my heart. The Europe I travelled to has changed for the worse in recent years.

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[BetteDavisEyes]

Jul 6 2016, 11:15 am ET

Beau Solomon Death: Pope Meets Parents of U.S. Student Found in Rome River

by F. Brinley Bruton and Claudio Lavanga

ROME — Pope Francis met Wednesday with the grieving parents of Beau Solomon, the American college student found dead in a Rome river.

A picture of the encounter shows the pope standing close to the 19-year-old's clearly distraught parents, who have been named in the media as Jodi and Nick Solomon...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/beau-solomon-death-pope-meets-parents-u-s-student-found-n604536