GUILTY Italy - Costa Concordia Cruise Ship runs aground/flips, 2012

[BetteDavisEyes]

Was it the "CAPTAIN's Dinner" night????
Everyone gets dressed up and the Captain is there?

The Captain's Welcome Aboard dinner on most ships is a formal occasion and not on the first night of a cruise because passengers have spent the day traveling to the ship and might not have received luggage in their staterooms yet. When possible, formal nights occur on sea days when passengers have the entire day to get ready for the big night onboard with hair and nail appointments, spa treatments, etc. The Captain usually makes a brief appearance at a cocktail party prior to the dinner seatings. If the ship is in distress from a storm or some other reason, another officer will take the Captain's place while he mans the vessel.

 

[CocoChanel]

(NON) COSTA CONCORDIA - VIDEO IMPATTO ANALOGO - INTERNI ALTRA NAVE(archivio) - YouTube

OH MY LORD! That video shows the devasting force of a listing ship. People and furniture are helpless against the force as it whips side to side. I had to stop the video after I saw one person smash into a column. It is horrifying...absolutely horrifying to see how violent and out-of-control it was. No doubt there are many serious injuries from this listing force alone.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I have the same question regarding anyone being on the bridge, as it seems incomprehensible that no one would notice the ship being that far off course. Or, if someone did notice, and if the Captain was at dinner, could it be he wasn't notified? Hopefully some clearer reports will come out as the investigation continues. As it stands now, it's very confusing.

MOO

The bridge of any cruise ship is manned 24/7. There are highly-skilled sailors (Lookout) who stand on the bridge as well as several Officers of the Watch. While most vessels are operated by computers, radar, sonar, ships can still be manually steered when necessary. In fact, maneuvering into and out of ports if often done manually, and the Captain must be on the bridge with the local pilot (Port Authority). Cruising friends arranged a private bridge tour for DH and I on one of our recent cruises, so we got the inside scoop on how the boat floats

 

[mysteriew]

In that video it is weird. The furniture, the people are moving all around. But if you watch the bartenders, it is like they aren't even bracing themselves or even swaying.

ETA Ok, later in the vid I see them affected.

It seems as though the employees were responding like maybe they thought it was 'rough seas' and they started trying to put things back.

 

[panthera]

The bridge of any cruise ship is manned 24/7. There are highly-skilled sailors (Lookout) who stand on the bridge as well as several Officers of the Watch. While most vessels are operated by computers, radar, sonar, ships can still be manually steered when necessary. In fact, maneuvering into and out of ports if often done manually, and the Captain must be on the bridge with the local pilot (Port Authority). Cruising friends arranged a private bridge tour for DH and I on one of our recent cruises, so we got the inside scoop on how the boat floats

Thank you! Having never been on a cruise ship, I was curious if this scenario were even possible. Now, excluding that, it leads to even greater curiousity how this tragedy occurred. I envision the control panel being similar to that of a jet aircraft with many warning systems to alert the crew of the ship being seriously off course.

:waitasec:

 

[Paul]

The ship was heavily damaged when it went through a narrow channel between 2 large rocks. Then it kept going about 1/2 mile north to the place it is now.

We can all see the damage on the high side. But there is probably equal or greater damage on the low side (just guessing).

No one knows why the ship was over 2 miles off course. It wasn't supposed to be near that island, much less heading straight for it.

This site has some charts and diagrams:http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/

 

[mysteriew]

The bridge of any cruise ship is manned 24/7. There are highly-skilled sailors (Lookout) who stand on the bridge as well as several Officers of the Watch. While most vessels are operated by computers, radar, sonar, ships can still be manually steered when necessary. In fact, maneuvering into and out of ports if often done manually, and the Captain must be on the bridge with the local pilot (Port Authority). Cruising friends arranged a private bridge tour for DH and I on one of our recent cruises, so we got the inside scoop on how the boat floats

There are supposed to be sailors and officers on the bridge. But were they there? Was it on autopilot and the people supposed to be there engaged with something else? Were there officers on the bridge?

For some reason they were between 2 and 4 miles off course. They weren't aware the rocks were there, though other captains say they are on the chart. Reports on where the captain was seem to differ, he was either at dinner or on the bridge. Some stories indicate that after the ship began taking on water that they tried to continue to sail. Mayday wasn't issued right away. Evacuation wasn't ordered right away.

 

[mysteriew]

The ship was heavily damaged when it went through a narrow channel between 2 large rocks. Then it kept going about 1/2 mile north to the place it is now.

We can all see the damage on the high side. But there is probably equal or greater damage on the low side (just guessing).

No one knows why the ship was over 2 miles off course. It wasn't supposed to be near that island, much less heading straight for it.

This site has some charts and diagrams:http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/

Very helpful, thank you.

So they actually hit some ways before. And the continuing to sail, he was headed to port. Where they ran it aground. So what caused some of the damage may have been well before they hit the rocks on/near shore. Running it aground was probably a good thing as far as the ship was concerned. In shallower water it wouldn't sink.

They don't issue the mayday at the beginning. Did they make any announcements to passengers?

 

[mysteriew]

Thank you! Having never been on a cruise ship, I was curious if this scenario were even possible. Now, excluding that, it leads to even greater curiousity how this tragedy occurred. I envision the control panel being similar to that of a jet aircraft with many warning systems to alert the crew of the ship being seriously off course.

:waitasec:

I did read somewhere that one of the systems they used was known to malfunction. Maybe the guidance system???

 

[panthera]

I did read somewhere that one of the systems they used was known to malfunction. Maybe the guidance system???

According to the photo Paul posted (thank you, Paul!) it definitely appears something malfunctioned for the ship to have been anywhere near that narrow channel which initially damaged it. All the more reason the bridge should have been manned.

MOO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Thank you! Having never been on a cruise ship, I was curious if this scenario were even possible. Now, excluding that, it leads to even greater curiousity how this tragedy occurred. I envision the control panel being similar to that of a jet aircraft with many warning systems to alert the crew of the ship being seriously off course.

:waitasec:

Not only is the ship's bridge chock full of computerized control panels, but there is also an Officer who records all data of the voyage by hand on large maps/grids - a log of the cruise. This somewhat tedious process dates back to the beginnings of sea travel but is tried and true in accurately keeping records of a ship's voyage. Bridge officers work 8 hour shifts in rotation so that there is continuity. Except on the rare occasions when passengers are allowed to visit the bridge by special arrangement, no one besides ship's Officers is permitted in this area of the vessel.

 

[Herding Cats]

I am not sure, but I think that vid is NOT the ship that just sank. I remember it vividly from another accident with a rogue wave (??) or some such, because of the guy "surfing" on the cart in the background. This was a while ago, and so that's why I don't think it's a vid from the Concordia accident.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I cannot fathom an entire Officer staff of a cruise ship being derelict in their duties and not staffing the bridge. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about whether or not the bridge was properly manned at the time of the accident.

At the time when DH and I had our private bridge tour, there were no weather or wave issues, and the ship was sailing smoothly so that Officers could chat with us, answer questions, even allow us to sit in the Captain's seat with the big steering wheel, but at no time were they not engaged in their duties. In fact, the Lookout barely acknowledged us because he stands front and center on the bridge with huge binoculars watching for any possible weather or wave activity that might be ahead.

 

[panthera]

I am not sure, but I think that vid is NOT the ship that just sank. I remember it vividly from another accident with a rogue wave (??) or some such, because of the guy "surfing" on the cart in the background. This was a while ago, and so that's why I don't think it's a vid from the Concordia accident.

Best-
Herding Cats

After viewing the video, I also believe it is more likely from another incident.

MOO

 

[mysteriew]

I cannot fathom an entire Officer staff of a cruise ship being derelict in their duties and not staffing the bridge. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about whether or not the bridge was properly manned at the time of the accident.

At the time when DH and I had our private bridge tour, there were no weather or wave issues, and the ship was sailing smoothly so that Officers could chat with us, answer questions, even allow us to sit in the Captain's seat with the big steering wheel, but at no time were they not engaged in their duties. In fact, the Lookout barely acknowledged us because he stands front and center on the bridge with huge binoculars watching for any possible weather or wave activity that might be ahead.

BBM

I don't want to believe that the entire bridge crew responsible for thousands of lives would be derelict in their duty or absent from their post. I don't even want to believe that the key decision makers would be absent.

But first they were 2 to 4 mi off course. Did no one notice?

Second. They approached that inlet. The guy with the binoculars should have physically seen that land was there. If not, wouldn't they have equipment that would show what was ahead well before they got there?

Third. Passing through that inlet, they seemed to have scraped. Reports indicate they knew they were taking on water. No mayday was sent out.

I know that at the time they hit, a lot of confusion was probably occuring. Damage assessment, getting passengers on top. Sailing the ship. A hundred other things that I don't even know about. But a mayday is a basic thing. What if the ship had gone down before they were able to run it aground?

Why wasn't the passenger areas cleared while they were continuing to sail? The elderly couple were found in the restaurant area.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

For those of you who are sitting at your computer at this time, you might want to watch some cruise ships depart from Port Everglades beginning at 4:00 (Eastern): http://portevergladeswebcam.com/

The Ruby Princess on which I've sailed should be the first ship out of the gate, and there are a few other ships scheduled for departure between 4:00-6:00. Among them is one of the Royal Caribbean "behemoths" - the Allure of the Seas. If you haven't been on a cruise ship, you will see how slowly and carefully these vessels are maneuvered in/out of their port berths. If you have speakers, you'll be able to hear communication between Port Authorities and ship's Officers. Enjoy!

 

[Melanie]

I just noticed that videos from the crash have been removed by You Tube. I wonder why? It's not a one time thing -- many users have removed their footage.

Odd --

Mel

 

[Melanie]

(NON) COSTA CONCORDIA - VIDEO IMPATTO ANALOGO - INTERNI ALTRA NAVE(archivio) - YouTube

This video was removed. I wonder if anyone grabbed it while it was up.

Mel

 

[passionflower]

I also think the video was from another time just to show what happens.......
(NON) meaning NOT? is before the ships name ???

 

[passionflower]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ing-grid7|hp-laptop|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=127730

is this an update?
Sorry if already posted