It's Christmas once again at Wal-Mart

[tybee204]

I understand what motivates WalMart. (As if I needed another reason not to shop there!) But WalMart is responding to a Fox News-led propaganda campaign and the sheeple who allow themselves to be emotionally motivated by it. It's the latter we are discussing, I believe.

I don't know that employees become "hypocrites" for accepting year-end bonuses. Such payments are common in many businesses. That your husband ties the payments to one particular tradition is the problem.

Mr Tybee does not do year end bonus's. He bids jobs and if they are brought in on time and on budget his employee's are bonused at the end of each job. His Christmas bonus's are just that. Christmas gifts to his employees.

 

[JBean]

Well, I think there's a very simple resolution, which I stated above. If you know someone well enough to know his tradition, then use that. If you don't, it is polite to include rather than exclude and go with "Happy Holidays."

The argument that "Happy Holidays" is offensive is really just a temper tantrum. It's no surprise that Bill O'Reilly is the biggest baby in the nursery.

let me clarify, there is no resolution that evryone will like!
I have no probelm with HH. I think what is bothersome to me is that I cannot say Merry Christmas or Happy CHannukah for fear of offending someone. I am not afraid to say it and if the receptor of my well intentioned greeting chooses to be offended, then so be it. But that is their choice.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I don't think they are going to get it. Either she moves to another company that is more sympathetic to her wishes or she continues to ignore. She is there voluntarily. I know that may sound harsh, but it is the reality.
I have refused work from many companies that were not in line with my way of thinking. I am not saying that is good, bad, fair, right or wrong, it just is an option she has.

Her views are quite extreme and intractable. Nonetheless, what to do? She has them and she should be left out of the Christmas loop. IMO.

What is the spirit of Christmas if it is not generosity. Co-workers have an opportunity to demonstrate generosity by giving charity.

The charity she needs is to not be forced to do what she considers "pagan" practices.

 

[tybee204]

So it's her fault then?

I am not laying fault. I am suggesting if people would take the time and patience to explain their difference's to others their would be a better level of understanding.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I am not laying fault. I am suggesting if people would take the time and patience to explain their difference's to others their would be a better level of understanding.

Ten years of trying to explain seems like quite a bit to me.

 

[Ntegrity]

It's no surprise that Bill O'Reilly is the biggest baby in the nursery.

Whether you love or hate O'Reilly, he still has the right to his opinion and the "sheeple" (as you call them) have a right to their opinions. It looks like enough sheeple were unhappy with WalMart and some of the other retailers that they made sure their voices were heard. Isn't that what America is all about?

 

[windovervocalcords]

Whether you love or hate O'Reilly, he still has the right to his opinion and the "sheeple" (as you call them) have a right to their opinions. It looks like enough sheeple were unhappy with WalMart and some of the other retailers that they made sure their voices were heard. Isn't that what America is all about?

I don't think the forefathers could have anticpated O'Reilly.

 

[Ntegrity]

Ten years of trying to explain seems like quite a bit to me.

I agree. The management of your company sound like total jerks if what you're saying is the whole story.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I agree. The management of your company sound like total jerks if what you're saying is the whole story.

The whole story? I only know last year and this year. I have been at this office a little over a year. Long enough for two Christmas seasons.

I have seen her express the same frustration and get blown off twice. Last year people were mad that she would not deliver presents to our satellite office.

 

[JBean]

snipped.

The charity she needs is to not be forced to do what she considers "pagan" practices.

I agree that no one should be forced to do anything. No argument from me there.
But again, she is there voluntarily.

 

[Ntegrity]

I don't think the forefathers could have anticpated O'Reilly.

Whether you agree with him or not is beside the point. Many people do agree. He isn't powerful enough to boycott a big company like WalMart under his own power. It sounds like WalMart took a hard enough hit in the bank account that they've changed their policy accordingly.

 

[tybee204]

I have very close friends that as Baha'is do no celebrate Christmas. When all of our children where growing up they would deliver very nice letters to their childrens teachers explaining their religion and turned it into a very positive thing. How something is communicated can have a direct result in how it is recipricated.

 

[Ntegrity]

WOVC, do you know what "Christian" sect it is that considers Christmas a pagan holiday? I've never heard that before.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I agree that no one should be forced to do anything. No argument from me there.
But again, she is there voluntarily.

So she can leave if she doesn't like it?

I think if there were other options she would.

 

[windovervocalcords]

WOVC, do you know what "Christian" sect it is that considers Christmas a pagan holiday? I've never heard that before.

google and I am sure you will find more than one conservative Christian group that feels Christmas is pagan.

I do not know the name of her group. She refers to God as Yahweh. That's all I know.

I don't know if this is representative of her faith or not. Just googled myself.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/christmas.htm

 

[JBean]

So she can leave if she doesn't like it?

I think if there were other options she would.

Of course she can leave if she doesn't like it.
I wouldn't blame her. It sounds as though she has exhausted her options and she has to either accept that this is an unyielding group or move on to another company. Those are her choices.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Of course she can leave if she doesn't like it.
I wouldn't blame her. It sounds as though she has exhausted her options and she has to either accept that this is an unyielding group or move on to another company. Those are her choices.

Another choice is the workplace. The workplace can change. I will do my part when the subject comes up to gently educate.

 

[Ntegrity]

Her options, as I see it, are:
1) Put up with it.
2) Do something about it.

Number 2 could include anything from quitting to hiring an attorney. You said she doesn't like the ACLU but maybe she'd consider getting advice from a group like ACLJ. Just the threat of a lawsuit would probably squelch the harassment.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Her options, as I see it, are:
1) Put up with it.
2) Do something about it.

Number 2 could include anything from quitting to hiring an attorney. You said she doesn't like the ACLU but maybe she'd consider getting advice from a group like ACLJ. Just the threat of a lawsuit would probably squelch the harassment.

Yeah.

Those are her options. Here is another one of those groups who think Christmas is pagan.

http://www.eliyah.com/paganexp.html

 

[JBean]

Another choice is the workplace. The workplace can change. I will do my part when the subject comes up to gently educate.

of course! I was only suggesting what she has the power to currently control. There are some issues that are worth challenging no matter how long it takes. if this is one of them, I truly hope she is successful.
There are certain things that I refuse to particpate in as well. Even though I am continually "asked" I continue to refuse. I don't care if it causes a problem cause I am not changing my mind. So I truly understand her position.
But it is only bothersome to me when I let it be bothersome to me. Otherwise it is nothing and I do not let it affect me. Just say no!