It's Christmas once again at Wal-Mart

[windovervocalcords]

of course! I was only suggesting what she has the power to currently control. There are some issues that are worth challenging no matter how long it takes. if this is one of them, I truly hope she is successful.
There are certain things that I refuse to particpate in as well. Even though I am continually "asked" I continue to refuse. I don't care if it causes a problem cause I am not changing my mind. So I truly understand her position.
But it is only bothersome to me when I let it be bothersome to me. Otherwise it is nothing and I do not let it affect me. Just say no!

Good point.

I only offered this story because posters did not understand how some of us feel Christmas is a bit overbearing sometimes.

 

[JBean]

Good point.

I only offered this story because posters did not understand how some of us feel Christmas is a bit overbearing sometimes.

But also remember, I think your friend represents the extreme. It is hard to be a group of one as I am sure she is painfully aware.

 

[Ntegrity]

Yeah.

Those are her options. Here is another one of those groups who think Christmas is pagan.

http://www.eliyah.com/paganexp.html

Thanks for the links!!

I wasn't making light of her options. I just don't think she has any others except to meet with management and let them know she's tired of being harassed. But it sounds like she's already done that. I do sympathize with her and hope it can be resolved. How sad that someone would use Christmas to beat someone else over the head. :furious:

 

[windovervocalcords]

But also remember, I think your friend represents the extreme. It is hard to be a group of one as I am sure she is painfully aware.

Of course she represents the extreme. But sometimes I am considered the extreme, or you may be.

We all take a turn there. And it's our opportunity to stretch a bit. It's hers too, but she has her doctrine to deal with and its not flexible.

 

[Love_Mama]

google and I am sure you will find more than one conservative Christian group that feels Christmas is pagan.

I do not know the name of her group. She refers to God as Yahweh. That's all I know.

I don't know if this is representative of her faith or not. Just googled myself.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/christmas.htm

Check this out windovervocalcords..........explains why your co-worker is Anti-Christmas!

"Doctrinally the Assemblies of Yahweh holds a conservative position in biblical interpretation. We affirm that the teaching of the Sacred Scriptures must be interpreted as literally as possible and its precepts faithfully obeyed by dedicated believers.

Standing between the great religions of the west, Christianity and Judaism, the Assemblies of Yahweh today holds a similar position to that of the Nazarenes, mentioned in Acts 24:5. As did the Nazarenes, the Assemblies of Yahweh today strives to fulfill the description of the True worshipers found in Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, by keeping the commandments of Yahweh and holding a living faith in the Messiah.

We hope that you enjoy this site and that you use it to learn more of our Creator Yahweh and His Son, our soon-coming Savior, Yahshua the Messiah.

She probably ought to try to look for another job.....and hopefully soon.

By the way.........I would hope that each of you here have some God you believe in. I think in the case of many retailers that God could be called Money...........none the less....here is something that I posted on another thread another time that may at least give a few of you a giggle!
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Ruling in the Court

In Florida, an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and
Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no Holiday to celebrate
.
The case was brought before a wise judge. After listening to the long,
passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, "Case dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said; "Your
honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!"

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said; "Obviously your client is too confused to know about, or to celebrate the atheists' holiday!"

The lawyer pompously said; "We're unaware of any such holiday for
atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your honor?"

The judge said; "Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st when The fool says in his heart, “There is no God”.

xxxxxxoooo
mama

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[windovervocalcords]

Check this out windovervocalcords..........explains why your co-worker is Anti-Christmas!

"Doctrinally the Assemblies of Yahweh holds a conservative position in biblical interpretation. We affirm that the teaching of the Sacred Scriptures must be interpreted as literally as possible and its precepts faithfully obeyed by dedicated believers.

Standing between the great religions of the west, Christianity and Judaism, the Assemblies of Yahweh today holds a similar position to that of the Nazarenes, mentioned in Acts 24:5. As did the Nazarenes, the Assemblies of Yahweh today strives to fulfill the description of the True worshipers found in Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, by keeping the commandments of Yahweh and holding a living faith in the Messiah.

We hope that you enjoy this site and that you use it to learn more of our Creator Yahweh and His Son, our soon-coming Savior, Yahshua the Messiah.

She probably ought to try to look for another job.....and hopefully soon.

By the way.........I would hope that each of you here have some God you believe in. I think in the case of many retailers that God could be called Money...........none the less....here is something that I posted on another thread another time that may at least give a few of you a giggle!
-------------------------

Ruling in the Court

In Florida, an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and
Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no Holiday to celebrate
.
The case was brought before a wise judge. After listening to the long,
passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, "Case dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said; "Your
honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!"

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said; "Obviously your client is too confused to know about, or to celebrate the atheists' holiday!"

The lawyer pompously said; "We're unaware of any such holiday for
atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your honor?"

The judge said; "Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st when The fool says in his heart, “There is no God”.

xxxxxxoooo
mama

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Interesting post and sweet sentiments.

We are not all "God" believers. There are spiritual traditions that are not theistic. There are humanists and atheists that are wonderful people.

The joke was cute.

 

[Nova]

Mr Tybee does not do year end bonus's. He bids jobs and if they are brought in on time and on budget his employee's are bonused at the end of each job. His Christmas bonus's are just that. Christmas gifts to his employees.

The choice of semantics seems arbitrary to me, but very well: Mr. Tybee will give Christmas presents to his employees, which they may decline if they choose. I imagine his employees understand (and appreciate) the spirit with which the gifts are given.

Mr. Nova and I have been inviting Jewish friends to share Christmas with us for years. We haven't been refused on principle yet. But these are friends. They know we aren't presuming that they *should* celebrate Christmas, we are just expressing our desire to include them in our family.

 

[Nova]

But it is only bothersome to me when I let it be bothersome to me. Otherwise it is nothing and I do not let it affect me. Just say no!

Yes, of course. We are all responsible for our own feelings.

To me, the real issue isn't whether wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" is a crime. It isn't. "Happy Holidays" represent more genuine good will toward all, but whatever.

The real issue is whether retailers should be bullied into making their greetings to the public less inclusive than they would like. That's plain old tyranny-of-the-majority and while I doubt WalMart greeters will be initiating pogroms any time soon, I don't blame a small minority - one that was nearly exterminated a couple of generations ago, one that most of Middle East would like to see exterminated today - for feeling scapegoated and even a bit concerned.

The point of the so-called "War on Christmas" is that Christians are DEMANDING a special greeting tailored to their religious beliefs and traditions alone. It's abundantly clear who has the problem.

 

[Nova]

Whether you love or hate O'Reilly, he still has the right to his opinion and the "sheeple" (as you call them) have a right to their opinions. It looks like enough sheeple were unhappy with WalMart and some of the other retailers that they made sure their voices were heard. Isn't that what America is all about?

Sadly, it probably is.

Of course, it is NOT what America is supposed to be about. If schools still taught anything, you would know that.

 

[Marthatex]

My husband is Jewish and he always enjoyed Christmas, especially when he started dating me and I invited him to celebrate with my family.

With my children, we were very casual about it but celebrated both religions somehow; sometimes inviting Jewish friends for potato latkes. then also decorating simply for Xmas, like a Norfolk pine.

The worst thing that happened was when some very nice but very Christian friends decided to "take my daughter in the right direction" by going to a very Christian camp. No biggie, I thought, but my daughter came home screaming and upset that her Dad was going to Hell; what did he think? Son had gone too, he came home with severe pneumonia;AC vents were not properly cared for; place was dirty.

I had not seen it ahead; it was five hours away. In addition to the discussion along the way in the SUV about how it was really important that we raise them Christian. Later they went to Kinky Friedman's mostly Jewish camp, my daughter became head girls counselor, the only wearing a cross! They ribbed her about it, so she experienced "reverse" discrimination.

End of 1st friendship. The end result of my "horrible mothering" was a son who is interested in being Jewish; going to Israel this January, interested in his roots. Daughter pretty Christian, will raise kids Christian at the fabulous Dell Jewish community center in her neighborhood, best preschool in town.

My husband is pretty laid back; we mostly celebrate Xmas with my family; his are deceased. Both of my children are courteous and kind to people and act like the good Christian/Jewish people they are.

I've bragged before and people are sick of me I'm sure, but the English/Jewish combo is gorgeous; my daughter in a major wedding magazine for a year; son drop dead handsome, 6'2; girls surround him daily. alot of time Ethnic combinations are beautiful.

It's oK for mothers to brag LOL. End of our family Xmas story; no problems at all for us, we live in a laid back town.

I might add, we say "Merry Christmas", and Happy Hannukah; occasionally Happy Holidays; doesn't really matter to us.

Oh I forgot, I go to Methodist church, teach at Christian preschool.

Everybody confused now?

 

[Ntegrity]

If schools still taught anything, you would know that.

Would you please explain this part? Surely you're not telling me that I don't know anything. :slap:

 

[Details]

Would you please explain this part? Surely you're not telling me that I don't know anything. :slap:

It was actually if schools teach anything. I read it as, "If schools teach anything, they should be teaching about how the Constitution is there to prevent they tyranny of the majority - America is not all about, "majority rules". " The founding fathers were very concerned about that - they had experienced it firsthand, and did not want it to happen here, even if they were currently the majority.

 

[Dark Knight]

-------------------------

Ruling in the Court

In Florida, an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and
Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no Holiday to celebrate
.
The case was brought before a wise judge. After listening to the long,
passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, "Case dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said; "Your
honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!"

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said; "Obviously your client is too confused to know about, or to celebrate the atheists' holiday!"

The lawyer pompously said; "We're unaware of any such holiday for
atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your honor?"

The judge said; "Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st when The fool says in his heart, “There is no God”.

xxxxxxoooo
mama

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[Dark Knight]

It was actually if schools teach anything. I read it as, "If schools teach anything, they should be teaching about how the Constitution is there to prevent they tyranny of the majority - America is not all about, "majority rules". " The founding fathers were very concerned about that - they had experienced it firsthand, and did not want it to happen here, even if they were currently the majority.

In that case, maybe we should overturn the congressional elections, because voting in the Democrats is tyranny by the majority of voters. Let the lawsuits begin! The majority means nothing, after all! :woohoo:

 

[JBean]

Yes, of course. We are all responsible for our own feelings.

To me, the real issue isn't whether wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" is a crime. It isn't. "Happy Holidays" represent more genuine good will toward all, but whatever.

The real issue is whether retailers should be bullied into making their greetings to the public less inclusive than they would like. That's plain old tyranny-of-the-majority and while I doubt WalMart greeters will be initiating pogroms any time soon, I don't blame a small minority - one that was nearly exterminated a couple of generations ago, one that most of Middle East would like to see exterminated today - for feeling scapegoated and even a bit concerned.

The point of the so-called "War on Christmas" is that Christians are DEMANDING a special greeting tailored to their religious beliefs and traditions alone. It's abundantly clear who has the problem.

Nova, you have reminded me that we are really talking about several differnt issues at once in all these posts.
I agree about Happy Holidays and it makes perfect sense,in general terms. I have no probelm with it, at all.
But I do have issue with it being considered offensive if I choose to say Merry Christmas to people. There are those here that are actually insulted if i say that to them. that is just ridiculousness to me.
As far as the retailers, I have no opinion because i just don't give a carp! Doesn't impact my holiday joy or celebration one iota. That's the money God anyway and it's about dollars and marketing not Christmas at all.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Martha: Kind of like my house with my ex-husband. He was Jewish. When we were first married, we didn't have a tree or celebrate. My MIL one day decided I needed one. She and my ex went out shopping and bought one with all the trimmings to go with it. She was a lovely, thoughtful woman. Years after that she always enjoyed the tree with her grandsons.

 

[Dark Knight]

Yes, of course. We are all responsible for our own feelings.

To me, the real issue isn't whether wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" is a crime. It isn't. "Happy Holidays" represent more genuine good will toward all, but whatever.

The real issue is whether retailers should be bullied into making their greetings to the public less inclusive than they would like. That's plain old tyranny-of-the-majority and while I doubt WalMart greeters will be initiating pogroms any time soon, I don't blame a small minority - one that was nearly exterminated a couple of generations ago, one that most of Middle East would like to see exterminated today - for feeling scapegoated and even a bit concerned.

The point of the so-called "War on Christmas" is that Christians are DEMANDING a special greeting tailored to their religious beliefs and traditions alone. It's abundantly clear who has the problem.

So it's ok for them to be bullied into changing their greeting away from Christmas? Some may say 'who bullied' them? You'd have to ask them, since it was a change after decades of doing it one way. Someone convinced them to change it, obviously.
Furthermore, if someone doesn't want to shop somewhere, that is their right to do so, that isn't bullying.
And furthermore, yet, knowing marketing as I kind of do, the retail effect was more from the "spirit" of Christmas (as the retailerss spent decades trying to make it: shopping, giving, etc) being lost when it became generic. More people buy gifts for Christmas than any other religious or secular holiday. Take "Christmas" out of the equation, and that mindset of shopping, buying, etc. is lost. They likely realized they shot themselves in the foot by changing their marketing away from what had been so profitable for decades. The commercialization of Christmas sucks, but it is no surprise that making it generic had a negative retail effect, undoing decades of marketing it as the "Christmas Shopping Season."

 

[Details]

In that case, maybe we should overturn the congressional elections, because voting in the Democrats is tyranny by the majority of voters. Let the lawsuits begin! The majority means nothing, after all! :woohoo:

OK, so elementary logic maybe should be taught first - to be able to see the difference between, "america is not all about "majority rules"" and "majority means nothing".

 

[Details]

So it's ok for them to be bullied into changing their greeting away from Christmas? Some may say 'who bullied' them? You'd have to ask them, since it was a change after decades of doing it one way. Someone convinced them to change it, obviously.
Furthermore, if someone doesn't want to shop somewhere, that is their right to do so, that isn't bullying.
And furthermore, yet, knowing marketing as I kind of do, the retail effect was more from the "spirit" of Christmas (as the retailerss spent decades trying to make it: shopping, giving, etc) being lost when it became generic. More people buy gifts for Christmas than any other religious or secular holiday. Take "Christmas" out of the equation, and that mindset of shopping, buying, etc. is lost. They likely realized they shot themselves in the foot by changing their marketing away from what had been so profitable for decades. The commercialization of Christmas sucks, but it is no surprise that making it generic had a negative retail effect, undoing decades of marketing it as the "Christmas Shopping Season."

Maybe they didn't need to be bullied - they just thought it was the right thing to do. Very much in the true spirit of Christmas anyway - goodwill to all men, type of thing.

 

[Dark Knight]

OK, so elementary logic maybe should be taught first - to be able to see the difference between, "america is not all about "majority rules"" and "majority means nothing".

Wait, you mean some majority ruling is tyranny and some isn't? Who gets to decide when the majority matters and when it doesn't? :waitasec: