I've read enough! Ramseys done it.

[PagingDrDetect]

Hey Tricia,

Concerning the card:

From the videotaped deposition of Steve Thomas on Sept. 21 2001 it reads:

6 Q. Was there a note from Bill
7 McReynolds found torn up in JonBenet's trash
8 can in her room?

9 A. I have heard that.

10 Q. Did you ever check to see if that
11 were true?

12 A. I think I was told that it was
13 some sort of card.

14 Q. From Bill McReynolds?
15 A. Yes.

That Steve doesn't question its existence is striking, and if we are to believe it then the idea of Santa Bill sending JonBenet a card is very concerning. Of course, we only have second hand info regarding its contents.

So? It didn't say anything about a secret visit. Bill was in the house on the 23rd playing Santa Claus. He may normally have given out cards to parents as something for the parents to put at a child's bedside on Christmas Eve to convince the child that Santa did indeed come to the child's house to deliver presents, or if there is more than one child, for the parents to put in a conspicuous place for the kids to find... much like the plate of partially eaten cookies and partially drunk glass of milk parents will put out to convince their children that Santa was there. The fact it was done up in fancy writing and that it's torn up in the trashcan just convinces me more that is what it is... Christmas Eve came and went, so there's no more need for the card. But what it actually SAYS convinces me that's all it was...

From John Ramsey's Interview, 1998:

3 Now these photographs again are
4 unnumbered. And the photographs which are
5 blowups of other photographs that we have,
6 but what I would like to do is just show
7 them to the camera here and it's just a
8 letter and I will let Mr. Ramsey describe
9 what this letter is, if I can.
10 And there is just two
11 different photographs and again these are
12 blowups and they are not very high quality
13 photographs, but sometimes all we have is
14 a videotape record to get these
15 photographs from, so we are trying to take
16 these photos from a videotape. And I will
17 just show you that, these two photos.
18 JOHN RAMSEY: These both the
19 same pretty much, I guess.
20 LOU SMIT: Yes, they are
21 pretty much the same. What do you see in
22 those photographs, Mr. Ramsey?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I am not really
24 sure. I guess it looks like Christmas, I am not
25 sure. Message that's kind of written in a fancy
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1 -- printed in fancy letter style.
2 LOU SMIT: Have you ever seen
3 a letter like that?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: It doesn't look
5 familiar. I can't tell.
6 LOU SMIT: I can tell you
7 that --
8 JOHN RAMSEY: It says
9 somebody loves you all. Merry Christmas.
10 LOU SMIT: I can tell you
11 that these items were found in the trash
12 can in your daughter's room and it was
13 torn up.
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Do you know
15 what the word before "loves" is? Somebody
16 loves you all?
17 LOU SMIT: I am sure that
18 that has been looked at very closely. It
19 appears to be a Santa Claus letter.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: (MULTIPLE
21 SPEAKERS). Friend, enjoy your holidays,
22 Christmas (INAUDIBLE). Well, it doesn't
23 look like anything I have seen before.
24 LOU SMIT: Okay.
25 JOHN RAMSEY: And I don't
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1 know what it would be doing, you know,
2 torn up in -- looks like it's torn down
3 here, maybe. On the right side.
4 LOU SMIT: You have no reason or no
5 idea how it may have gotten there?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: No.

When John says that the card states somebody loves you all. Merry Christmas it means that he used the word "somebody" because he couldn't decipher what that word was as Smit then says Do you know
what the word before "loves" is? Because it's called a "Santa letter" we can infer that the word is Santa or Santa Claus making the note saying something like "Santa Claus loves you all. Merry Christmas. Friend, enjoy your holidays, Christmas." What it probably says is "Santa Claus (or 'Santa') loves you all. Merry Christmas. Friend (or 'Friends'), enjoy your holidays (or 'Christmas')."

John says in the same interview that JBR was a big fan of Santa Claus... not Bill specifically, but Santa Claus the mythical character. Because of that it's no surprise that she found that card to be special and wanted in her room. Or that Patsy put it in her room because the only other child in the house is Burke who at a few weeks shy of being 10 years old probably has already found out that Santa Claus is a myth.

Seeing that Bill McReynolds was cleared, what in the world is the big fuss about? There's nothing mysterious or telling about that card.

I've noticed that in the interview Smit conducts he does so much blabbing giving huge clues as to how he wants the person interviewed (John) to respond... innocently for him and Patsy and accusatory toward others. He practically COACHES him.

That interview about this with Steve Thomas was in 2001 when there would have been no need to make a big deal out of that note... it ISN'T a big deal, and at that time, he would have known that.

Trip DeMuth (who has earned the name Trippin' DaMouth) is full of it once again.

 

[PagingDrDetect]

By the way, it's interesting to note the contrast in how John and Patsy talk about Bill McReynolds in their 1998 interviews done at the same time. JR talks about him like he's some kind of pedophile child killing freak while Patsy talks about him like a poor sick old man...

John...

12 I am glad you brought that up too.
13 Did I say that? You know, we were suspicious of
14 McReynolds I guess in the beginning and he was
15 the only -- he came to the memorial service, a
16 good friend of mine who was there said that you
17 guys need to go back and look at that video,
18 because when Patsy went up to hug him, he pushed
19 her away.
20 And this Jim Hudson is the fellow's
21 name that said this. He said my brother's, I
22 don't know, in Orange County, been working with
23 pedophiles for 35 years and I described Santa
24 Claus to him and he said that's the guy. So
25 early on we were saying wow, well, Santa Claus,
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1 you know, acting so feeble and how could he have
2 carried her down the stairs, and was the
3 feebleness an act? Possibly. Was this all part
4 of a grand play that they put together? He
5 certainly showed up on the Today Show, you know,
6 a week later right in the middle of it, I am
7 Santa Claus from Boulder, then he split for
8 Europe. Obviously wasn't too feeble.
9 And then he -- he certainly fits
10 -- one of the things when I was hypothesizing
11 with these guys early on about who could have
12 done it, they said look, we are not going to do
13 the same thing that the Boulder police have
14 done, you know, you're right. But if I am
15 working this hypothesis through, he fits the box
16 that John Douglas drew for it, somebody we knew,
17 somebody who was in the house, somebody I think
18 that would have been jealous of people that had
19 assets, I think it's not a bad thing, I never
20 said a harsh word to him, but he would have been
21 very jealous, apparently didn't have two nickels
22 to rub together.
23 So he and JonBenet had a kind of a
24 special little bond. She worshipped him as
25 Santa Claus and apparently from what we
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1 understand the guy is, if not a pedophile, he's
2 a frequent visitor to shops.
3 LOU SMIT: Have you investigated
4 that?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: We have gotten
6 information to that effect. I don't know how
7 much we looked at it, but --
8 LOU SMIT: Are you sure,
9 absolutely couldn't have?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Absolutely. We
11 have some letters if him. We have a tape from
12 him that hopefully you guys have. If you guys
13 don't have it, I couldn't listen to it but it
14 was a tribute to JonBenet or something like
15 that. And apparently it starts up and it says
16 you left Santa Claus and went, you know, doing
17 all those fancy things and you came back to
18 Santa Claus, our guy said it was very weird. He
19 wrote me a letter saying that he carved
20 JonBenet's name in a heart, it had the name of
21 three other little girls that died early.
22 I mean I couldn't start saying,
23 okay, that's the guy. But that's premature, but
24 that would be in my mind explain how, if we said
25 JonBenet ate pineapple between 9 p.m. when she
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1 went to bed and when we found her, that is the
2 only way that's plausible to me that she could
3 have eaten. Is someone she knew and trusted and
4 said let's go downstairs, there is a surprise.
5 He might have sat there with pineapple and a
6 glass of tea, I don't know, but --
7 LOU SMIT: Those are things that
8 have to be answered.

Patsy...

11 THOMAS HANEY: How about birthday,
12 Christmas, any time of the year had JonBenet
13 been sick, had she gotten any get well cards,
14 birthday cards, Christmas cards? I mean not a
15 family, not a regular, somebody that you would
16 expect to have her get a card from? I know
17 that's covering lot of territory, but --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, the only one
19 that kind of comes to mind is a letter that
20 she -- after we had come home from the lake,
21 there was, you know, some mail there and there
22 was a letter from Bill McReynolds.
23 THOMAS HANEY: Was that in '96?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum, in '96.
25 THOMAS HANEY: At the end of the
0233
1 summer then?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
3 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. And of course
4 I opened it and it said that he was -- I believe
5 it said that he was about to go into the
6 hospital for open heart surgery, some kind of a
7 pretty major surgery, and he was going to take
8 along with him the bottle of sprinkle dust,
9 prayer dust that she had given him when he was
10 at our house at Christmastime, and --
11 THOMAS HANEY: Christmas '95?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: The previous year,
13 right. And just that that meant a lot to him,
14 and I guess he just wanted us to know he was
15 going to surgery. I mean I thought -- I mean I
16 was surprised that he was going into surgery,
17 and I thought it sweet that he sent us a card.
18 THOMAS HANEY: Announcing his
19 surgery or --
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I kind of got
21 the feeling like if I don't make it through
22 surgery and I don't see you again, I always
23 enjoyed being with you all, you know, something
24 like that. So.
25 THOMAS HANEY: But it was addressed
0234
1 to --
2 PATSY RAMSEY: JonBenet.
3 THOMAS HANEY: -- JonBenet?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don't
5 remember exactly whether it was -- was written
6 to me or to her or --
7 You had your correspondence along
8 those lines, something out of what you would
9 expect, you know, relatives, no.

more from Patsy...

14 THOMAS HANEY: We are back on tape
15 and it's about 10:59 a.m.
16 And before we go back to the
17 photographs, on the break, there, we were
18 talking about a letter that you said that -- or
19 a card, whatever it was, that McReynolds sent.
20 Was it a letter, was it a card?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: It was a little
22 letter on stationery.
23 THOMAS HANEY: Personalized
24 stationery or --
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know if it
0267
1 was monogrammed or anything, but it was
2 letter-sized.
3 THOMAS HANEY: Okay.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: It wasn't a card.
5 THOMAS HANEY: Okay, and again do
6 you recall who it was addressed to for sure?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)
8 THOMAS HANEY: Did you say?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Do we have that? It
10 seems to me like I found that somewhere. We
11 might have it. I mean.
12 THOMAS HANEY: We went and got the
13 (INAUDIBLE), (INAUDIBLE).
14 PATSY RAMSEY: All right. I mean
15 the letter, the little letter that Santa Claus
16 sent. I thought I found that and gave it to
17 Jennifer, when we were unpacking.
18 TRIP DeMUTH: Would you look for
19 that for us.
20 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I would have it.
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, I
22 think (INAUDIBLE).
23 THOMAS HANEY: In the event that it
24 isn't located, can you take a minute or try to
25 remember anything else or anything you can about
0268
1 what it said? I am not asking verbatim but the
2 general --
3 PATSY RAMSEY: The general gist was
4 that he was about to go in for fairly serious --
5 I was thinking it was open heart surgery or lung
6 surgery or some kind of major surgery. And just
7 wanted us to know that he was taking this bottle
8 of sprinkle dust with him, because that was so
9 meaningful to him, and that he expected that
10 that would be one of the first things he would
11 see when he recovered from surgery. He was
12 going to take that with him.
13 THOMAS HANEY: And it had some
14 special meaning, you said?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, he wore
16 sprinkle dust in his beard, and JonBenet had
17 some around for crafts probably and she gave him
18 a little bottle of this Tinkerbell Glitter Dust
19 or whatever it is, one Christmas when he was at
20 our house.
21 THOMAS HANEY: Would that have been
22 '95?
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes. Yeah. And so
24 that touched him, I guess, and he said as much
25 in the letter and said he was going to take that
0269
1 to the hospital with him, and (INAUDIBLE).
2 THOMAS HANEY: This glitter that
3 you talk about, is that -- you mentioned
4 something about doing crafts with it, so is it
5 something that you have a lot of it on hand?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, not this
7 particular -- these particular little things are
8 little Disney -- they are made by Walt Disney,
9 it's that Disney Store and they sell, like it's
10 called Tinkerbell Fairy Dust or something and we
11 had two or three bottles of that around.

more...

14 TOM HANEY: Yesterday, we talked
15 about receiving a letter from McReynolds. And
16 that was before all of this?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
18 TOM HANEY: Okay. Did you have any
19 correspondence with them since then, with him?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Between that letter
21 and Christmas or --
22 TOM HANEY: Between the death and
23 today?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, not that I can
25 remember. I don't remember looking for it
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1 (INAUDIBLE).
2 TOM HANEY: Did you save cards,
3 letters, e-mails, anything that might have come
4 in?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, yeah.
6 TOM HANEY: And were they indexed
7 in some way that could be -- you would be able
8 to find anything from him?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, I
10 wasn't doing it but --
11 TOM HANEY: Okay.
12 Did you receive anything else from
13 McReynolds, between Christmas of '96 and today?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: He was at the
15 funeral, at this memorial service in Colorado,
16 he was over, and he handed me a bottle of that
17 fairy stuff at the funeral. (INAUDIBLE).
18 TOM HANEY: And was that the last
19 contact that you had with him?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
21 TOM HANEY: So to your knowledge,
22 you wouldn't have received anything else, any
23 other cards, letters, e-mails, videotapes,
24 audiotapes?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Not that I can
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1 remember.


If they're going to play Pin The Tail On The Intruder they should get their stories straight.

 

[angelwngs]

"Or that Patsy put it in her room because the only other child in the house is Burke who at a few weeks shy of being 10 years old probably has already found out that Santa Claus is a myth."

"A Myth??"... Santa Claus is a Myth??? Tell me "No" Tell me it ain't so!




(Sorry. I just couldn't resist. )

 

[Jacobi]

There was a Cristmas card found in a trash can but it is not known from who that card comes from.

We know for sure that there was a letter from McReynolds about his open-heart surgery (dated sometime in the summer of 96). The card in the trash is supposedly also from McReynolds, but that has not been verified and we only have the second hand info I posted earlier to make that assumption. I personally don't think it is very important. We know, even without the card, that McReynolds had a special bond with JonBenet. Didn't he also have a special bond with a young boy years earlier who ended up dead. Then the issue with the daughter and her friend and the son having a record...

Seeing that Bill McReynolds was cleared, what in the world is the big fuss about? There's nothing mysterious or telling about that card.

He may have been officially cleared (based on DNA, hair and blood samples), but he still a person of interest to people following the case because of his weak alibi, his being linked with two other kidnapping/murders, his son having a record, his knowledge of the house, the connection to movies.

By the way, it's interesting to note the contrast in how John and Patsy talk about Bill McReynolds in their 1998 interviews done at the same time. JR talks about him like he's some kind of pedophile child killing freak while Patsy talks about him like a poor sick old man...
{snip}
If they're going to play Pin The Tail On The Intruder they should get their stories straight.

I agree, that is interesting. I tend to lean more towards John's assessment of the guy. The idea that he was not too weak to go on holiday in Europe is also quite interesting...

 

[BBB167893]

"The crime and staging were done that night, and were not very well-thought out."

That's what the Feds said.

"Can any RDI theory explain the red fibers found tied into the garrotte? If this were so carefully staged, why would Patsy still be wearing the red jacket during the staging?"

As opposed to what? A Scarlett O'Hara velvet dress?

"Didn't the Mindhunter book have a section on staging a crime scene and fiber evidence?"

Couldn't tell you. Never read it.

"Everyone here seems to have their pet suspect. What if you are all right and there were multiple people involved in her death? What's the general consensus here regarding a pedophile ring involving the Ramseys?"

The general consensus is that there wasn't one, but there are a few who think there was. Aussiesheila, I THINK! (Don't want to assume anything.) And, even though he's not here, my brother definitely thinks that.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Plenum terrific post.

 

[TLynn]

I've probably been around since day one of this website, read all the books - few years back stopped being so active....would still read posts every once in a while. Then, of course, Karr, brought me back.

But I'd like to say, I really appreciated the post re: the ransom note and housekeeper. Great insight. Wonder what SBTC would've meant...?

I don't know who killed JonBenet or what happened in the house that night - the more I tried to solve the case, the more I felt like "Rainman" and "Who's On First."

I really only know one thing - JonBenet knew her killer. Yes, I lean toward a family member; but if it were an intruder, Santa was always number one suspect.

From what I remember, the reason Patsy threw the Christmas party and Santa was invited was because Santa Bill said that Charles Kuralt was doing a show on him. That there would be a film crew at the party. Santa then said Kuralt pulled out at the last minute. I've never heard/read that Kuralt was questioned regarding confirmation. It would've been a perfect trap for Patsy to allow Santa Bill & Wife (whom he brought along because he said he was weak and needed her help) to case the house, etc.

 

[Paladin]

Maybe the S.B in S.B.T.C is Santa Bill.

 

[PagingDrDetect]

We know for sure that there was a letter from McReynolds about his open-heart surgery (dated sometime in the summer of 96). The card in the trash is supposedly also from McReynolds, but that has not been verified and we only have the second hand info I posted earlier to make that assumption. I personally don't think it is very important. We know, even without the card, that McReynolds had a special bond with JonBenet. Didn't he also have a special bond with a young boy years earlier who ended up dead. Then the issue with the daughter and her friend and the son having a record...

You don't think the card in the trash was important, yet you were the one to bring it up claiming it was McReynolds who gave it and said something it didn't. You also thought it was strange that Steve Thomas didn't find it important. You yourself described it as "very concerning", yet, now you're saying that you don't find it important. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding any sense in that whatsoever.

We don't know for sure about the letter he supposedly sent that Patsy describes because she's a known and proven liar and she apparently still hasn't coughed it up. So what if he had bonds with some kids? Most men play Santa because they love kids, and sometimes kids die. So what if his kids have issues or are criminals? Grown up kids turn out bad without their parents' help all the time, and bad things happen to the kids of decent people all the time. What does his kids have to do with anything about his being a suspect? What evidence puts him in that house that night and what legitimate motive would he have had?

He may have been officially cleared (based on DNA, hair and blood samples), but he still a person of interest to people following the case because of his weak alibi, his being linked with two other kidnapping/murders, his son having a record, his knowledge of the house, the connection to movies.

His link to two kidnappings/murders had to do with his OWN CHILD. If anything that's a reason to believe he would never do the same to someone else's child. WHAT connection to movies? All we know about that is from the Ramsey's... no one else. The way everything about this case has leaked like a seive, how did all this supposed nastiness about him that JR blathers on about never make it to the press? He sent them a video of his Christmas Story adding a dedication to JBR... whoopie. Pam Paugh dressed up like a cop and took a car load of the Ramsey's possessions out of the house that weren't documented (which quite frankly, is FAR more damning), and I don't see you being suspicious of HER. McSanta was officially cleared based on whatever LE discovered about him that cleared him... we have no idea what his clearance was based on, and you can bet LE did more than look at DNA, hair and blood samples... he was interviewed three times, gave handwriting samples on top of the blood and hair, and we have NO idea what background dirt LE unearthed about him.

I agree, that is interesting. I tend to lean more towards John's assessment of the guy. The idea that he was not too weak to go on holiday in Europe is also quite interesting...

When my dad was dying of cancer, in a wheelchair and sucking oxygen 24/7 he went on a holiday to Florida... he died there. Most people who can afford to and know they don't have much time left will travel because it's their last chance to do so. Just because the guy took a trip to Europe doesn't mean a stinking thing. That speech by JR about McSanta was JR throwing yet another innocent under the bus... there's a very loooooong list of them. Just how is it that JR accuses the guy of being a pedophile and throws in all the other crap yet Patsy doesn't know anything about that? Apparantly, him and Patsy didn't bother to exchange notes on who was next to get thrown under the bus.

 

[MysteryAddict]

I definitely could suspect Santa Bill and wife except I would expect to find "Tinkerbell glitter dust" at the
crime scene!!

 

[olive]

Just how is it that JR accuses the guy of being a pedophile and throws in all the other crap yet Patsy doesn't know anything about that? Apparantly, him and Patsy didn't bother to exchange notes on who was next to get thrown under the bus.

Another strange element to the Ramsey's- lack of "normal" communication between themselves and those in their inner circle. Did no one else find it SO STRANGE that Pam Paugh hadn't talked to John Ramsey in the days after the arrest of Karr? Neither had Patsy's friend Linda McClean. These are staunch Ramsey supporters- why the lack of communication?

 

[Jacobi]

So what if he had bonds with some kids? Most men play Santa because they love kids, and sometimes kids die.

This particular Santa said the following on tv:
1. [JonBenet] She just happened to be extra special to me for specific reasons.
2. [talking about the glitter JonBenet gave him which he remembered to bring with him six months later] I took this little vial of stardust with me to the hospital for good luck and I guess since I'm sitting here today, it provided some of that.
3. [JonBenet] She saved my soul
4. [interesting theme] Every time we abuse a child in any way, every child is special, we are abusing ourselves...And that is the theme of my unpublished Christmas story.
5. [!] One of my favorite experiences was in Portugal, when the children were in uniform and going down the street, and as they were passing by they started singing "Jingle Bells."
6. [exhibiting interesting logic]...when I first heard about the murder and saw it was a 6-year-old girl, I thought quickly, that "oh, I've got three more years with her at least," and then, I realized that, that was not true.

This Santa doesn't sound like most Santas.

Just because the guy took a trip to Europe doesn't mean a stinking thing.

I think it means or implies that he wasn't frail enough to lift a suitcase.

That speech by JR about McSanta was JR throwing yet another innocent under the bus... there's a very loooooong list of them. Just how is it that JR accuses the guy of being a pedophile and throws in all the other crap yet Patsy doesn't know anything about that? Apparantly, him and Patsy didn't bother to exchange notes on who was next to get thrown under the bus.

There's a very long list of suspects, and assuming only one person on that list is actually guilty, then it stands to reason that everyone else on that list is indeed an innocent thrown under the bus.

 

[olive]

6. [exhibiting interesting logic]...when I first heard about the murder and saw it was a 6-year-old girl, I thought quickly, that "oh, I've got three more years with her at least," and then, I realized that, that was not true.

Please help me here...I'd like to read the rest of that statement to understand the context. What exactly is he trying to say? 3 more years with a dead child? I don't understand...

 

[Jacobi]

Please help me here...I'd like to read the rest of that statement to understand the context. What exactly is he trying to say? 3 more years with a dead child? I don't understand...

Here you go olive...

Blitzer interviewing the McReynolds

 

[s_finch]

I do find it interesting that the author of Mind Hunter pimps for the Ramsey's and met them after the crime.

PagingDrDetect, you wrote the above and it peaked my interest. Could you please elaborate? TIA

 

[PagingDrDetect]

PagingDrDetect, you wrote the above and it peaked my interest. Could you please elaborate? TIA

John Douglas is an ex-FBI profiler who wrote a book called "Mind Hunter" which has a section in it about how criminals stage crime scenes to point suspicion away from them. JR had that book on a table or nightstand on his side of the bed. The housekeeper and Patsy admitted JR likes thrillers. Douglas was asked by the Ramseys' attorneys early on in the case to interview the Ramseys, and Douglas says he thinks their innocent (wonder how much those attorneys paid him?). He's still very vocal about this. I just the other day ran across a pro-Ramsey blog that he regularly posts on... for all I know it's his blog. I ran across it while searching for something else at the time and now I can't find it again. It was some kind of general crime blog where people leave comments... it really wasn't set up like a forum. He also seems to have selective memory because he's claimed before that he approached the Ramsey's and not the other way around. Yeah, right. *snort*

 

[s_finch]

John Douglas is an ex-FBI profiler who wrote a book called "Mind Hunter" which has a section in it about how criminals stage crime scenes to point suspicion away from them. JR had that book on a table or nightstand on his side of the bed. The housekeeper and Patsy admitted JR likes thrillers. Douglas was asked by the Ramseys' attorneys early on in the case to interview the Ramseys, and Douglas says he thinks their innocent (wonder how much those attorneys paid him?). He's still very vocal about this. I just the other day ran across a pro-Ramsey blog that he regularly posts on... for all I know it's his blog. I ran across it while searching for something else at the time and now I can't find it again. It was some kind of general crime blog where people leave comments... it really wasn't set up like a forum. He also seems to have selective memory because he's claimed before that he approached the Ramsey's and not the other way around. Yeah, right. *snort*

THanks, wish I'd known he's pro-R before I ordered his book earlier today :doh: I was aware that the book was on JR's bedside, so I wanted to read it, and well, I just like reading about forensic stuff anyway. I know that one of our top state LE guys here (who also does profiling) who was very instrumental in the Susan Smith case, believes PR is guilty.

 

[PagingDrDetect]

This particular Santa said the following on tv:
1. [JonBenet] She just happened to be extra special to me for specific reasons.
2. [talking about the glitter JonBenet gave him which he remembered to bring with him six months later] I took this little vial of stardust with me to the hospital for good luck and I guess since I'm sitting here today, it provided some of that.
3. [JonBenet] She saved my soul
4. [interesting theme] Every time we abuse a child in any way, every child is special, we are abusing ourselves...And that is the theme of my unpublished Christmas story.
5. [!] One of my favorite experiences was in Portugal, when the children were in uniform and going down the street, and as they were passing by they started singing "Jingle Bells."
6. [exhibiting interesting logic]...when I first heard about the murder and saw it was a 6-year-old girl, I thought quickly, that "oh, I've got three more years with her at least," and then, I realized that, that was not true.

This Santa doesn't sound like most Santas.

And what do most Santa's sound like? "Move along, brat, there's a long line and I gotta cold brewski waiting at home for me"?

McReynolds was a very staunch Ramsey supporter, Patsy showed a personal liking for him in her interviews, and he was invited by the Ramseys to JBR's memorial service. He went through a horrible experience with his daughter, which may make anyone more openly appreciative of the value of children. Is his open admiration of JBR, a child he knew personally, so much more strange than all of us wasting hours out of our lives here because of her 10 years later when we never knew her? I notice you skipped all the parts of that Blitzer interview where he practically gushes over John and Patsy and begs the world at large to leave them alone. He considered himself a friend to that family, was treated like one, and when John and Patsy needed to find yet another innocent friend to throw under the bus, under he went. That's gratitude for ya. John Ramsey completely RIPPED him in that '98 interview for no reason other than to cast suspicion on yet another innocent and away from him and his wife.

I think it means or implies that he wasn't frail enough to lift a suitcase.

Over his head and through a window with a 45 pound DEAD BODY IN IT? Only months after having open heart surgery?

There's a very long list of suspects, and assuming only one person on that list is actually guilty, then it stands to reason that everyone else on that list is indeed an innocent thrown under the bus.

EXACTLY! The Ramseys have thrown anyone and everyone including their closest friends under that bus destroying reputations and careers for no other reason to cast suspicion elsewhere even if the had to MAKE STUFF UP ABOUT THEM.

Oh, by the way... McSanta is STILL officially cleared. Why aren't the Ramsey's even with both of the DA's in their pocket?

And where are all the dead and molested children he played Santa for all those years?

Oh, but he of all people could have gotten into a locked up closed up house that had no entry/exit point that night... he had that magic Tinkerbell Fairy Dust.:crazy:

 

[LinasK]

Another strange element to the Ramsey's- lack of "normal" communication between themselves and those in their inner circle. Did no one else find it SO STRANGE that Pam Paugh hadn't talked to John Ramsey in the days after the arrest of Karr? Neither had Patsy's friend Linda McClean. These are staunch Ramsey supporters- why the lack of communication?

Easy, because JR and PR knew Karr wasn't the killer because one or both of them is. That's why neither of them bothered to meet with Karr before or after Patsy died despite how badly Karr was begging to meet them!

 

[Jacobi]

Over his head and through a window with a 45 pound DEAD BODY IN IT? Only months after having open heart surgery?

That's exactly the point as the body never made it out that window...