The sheer gaul of the Ramsey parents . . .

[Pip Stevo]

They were too materialistic; money maddened; proud and arrogant. The family was dysfunctional - bed wetting, scat smearing, violence (golf club, violent pokes with train tracks), Jonbenet could be rude to people also (refer the Housekeeper interview). John wanted so much to keep his well paid job. Patsy didn't want the shame and scandal.

These two people ruined their own lives, by covering up for Burke. John was soon dispatched as CEO of his multimillion-dollar company by Lockheed Martin, which owned his house, and couldn't wait soon enough to sell it also. No one wanted to touch him with a barge pole. Patsy's guilt brought on the final stage of cancer that killed her.

John remarried four years later and now lives in Salt Lake City. John is a shifty guy, had extramarital affairs, was absent from the home due to work, complained to Patsy she was a bad housekeeper and cook.

John R is a very cunning, articulate and to some degree a sinister person. Claimed to be a great Christian by sucking in Lou Smit. Dobed in all his friends that crossed him as suspects to the police. Who would do that? Fleet Snow hates his guts now. A once good friend he dobed into the police.

His actions, the ransom note is a first time ever in the history of crime. "Listen carefully John, don't grow a brain". From a movie line. There were so many movie posters in their basement.

 

[Tobiano8th]

Pip, thank you... I was not aware of the movie posters.. "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "Death on the Nile"... I love the Agatha Christie movie. other one is ok.... and a movie poster you can't make out.

definitely women's movies....... but quotes I remember were Dirty Harry (not sure if character or movie itself.. someone answered this but I forgot), which is more a guy's movie... but if the Rs were movie buffs, then PR would have seen it many times.... I'm not a movie buff and I've seen it tons of times and some of those lines are even part of popular culture. I am a guy though.

the police I believe think that JR only became aware of things when PR claimed to have gone downstairs and "found" the note.... therefore, he would have had no involvement in note....... JR partially dictating parts to PR makes sense, but PR knowing all those lines herself makes sense too (given they loved movies).. and maybe the police don't really know, and had to go with a shaky theory i.e. they needed to present something concrete.

 

[Gretchen520]

Interesting read. I hadn’t even realized that JR was super manipulative and at times, could be more of a drama Queen than Patsy if the situation called for it.

 

[UKGuy]

Interesting read. I hadn’t even realized that JR was super manipulative and at times, could be more of a drama Queen than Patsy if the situation called for it.

Gretchen520,
Yes, John is quite the actor, his lip licking tics give him away.

John is currently playing the part of a distraught father seeking his daughter's killer, he appears regularly on TV in this role, but to date he is yet to be nominated for an Oscar.

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[proust20]

Ironically, JR's current line is: I'm the father.

The movies from which the RN draws are all mainstream, and do not indicate much about who viewed them. While writing the RN, the author was under great stress both from the traumatic events of the evening, and also the need to mask what had occurred partially by means of the RN itself. As a result, the RN can be looked at as a sort of stream of consciousness document, with various associations popping up during its composition.

Of course, FF is alliterative. This device was often used in the Perry Mason TV series. This should be: "The Case of the Foreign Faction".

Perhaps JR dictated parts of the RN to PR? Although, that would make the time taken to compose it even lengthier.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Pip, thank you... I was not aware of the movie posters.. "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "Death on the Nile"... I love the Agatha Christie movie. other one is ok.... and a movie poster you can't make out.

definitely women's movies....... but quotes I remember were Dirty Harry (not sure if character or movie itself.. someone answered this but I forgot), which is more a guy's movie... but if the Rs were movie buffs, then PR would have seen it many times.... I'm not a movie buff and I've seen it tons of times and some of those lines are even part of popular culture. I am a guy though.

the police I believe think that JR only became aware of things when PR claimed to have gone downstairs and "found" the note.... therefore, he would have had no involvement in note....... JR partially dictating parts to PR makes sense, but PR knowing all those lines herself makes sense too (given they loved movies).. and maybe the police don't really know, and had to go with a shaky theory i.e. they needed to present something concrete.

tabiano8th,

Pip, thank you... I was not aware of the movie posters.. "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "Death on the Nile"... I love the Agatha Christie movie. other one is ok.... and a movie poster you can't make out.

definitely women's movies....... but quotes I remember were Dirty Harry (not sure if character or movie itself.. someone answered this but I forgot), which is more a guy's movie... but if the Rs were movie buffs, then PR would have seen it many times.... I'm not a movie buff and I've seen it tons of times and some of those lines are even part of popular culture. I am a guy though.

the police I believe think that JR only became aware of things when PR claimed to have gone downstairs and "found" the note.... therefore, he would have had no involvement in note....... JR partially dictating parts to PR makes sense, but PR knowing all those lines herself makes sense too (given they loved movies).. and maybe the police don't really know, and had to go with a shaky theory i.e. they needed to present something concrete.

Tobiano8th,

MIKE KANE: There was, I don't
3 believe we have a picture of it, but there was a
4 poster hanging up. Do you remember if there was
5 a poster?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay. Some movie
7 posters, right?
8 MIKE KANE: Yeah.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Hung up. Those were
10 from our old house, the space where we had the
11 theater, we had those hanging on the walls.

It makes sense that JR helped dictating the RN. His prints are not on the note. How is that explained?

 

[Pip Stevo]

tabiano8th,


Tobiano8th,


It makes sense that JR helped dictating the RN. His prints are not on the note. How is that explained?

He wiped them off. Same for the torch in the kitchen, even the batteries were wiped.

 

[elannia]

Did the Ramsey’s get their belongings from the house eventually? I know PP went with an officer and removed a whole slew of things... i know they left the house and never went back to but what about all their things

All of their daughters things, I for one would want every bit of my late daughters belongings for keeps and just wondering what they did with all that stuff

 

[CliffyTruxton]

It makes sense that JR helped dictating the RN. His prints are not on the note. How is that explained?

I don't think he dictated it, I think he wrote it. There's any number of ways he could have kept his prints off of anything involved in the murder and cover-up; for the note, the Kleenex on the table would be one, but not the only one.

 

[UKGuy]

Did the Ramsey’s get their belongings from the house eventually? I know PP went with an officer and removed a whole slew of things... i know they left the house and never went back to but what about all their things

All of their daughters things, I for one would want every bit of my late daughters belongings for keeps and just wondering what they did with all that stuff

elannia,
From memory, they just took all the important stuff, passports, birth certificates, bank account documents, etc.

The rest was removed via a house clearance outfit, with some of JonBenet's stuff ending up on eBay!

Could be her bike ended up on eBay?
BPD 6/23/98 - John Ramsey Interview, Excerpt

6 LOU SMIT: Okay. Did you go to the Barnhills to pick up a bike?

9 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, Christmas Eve. We'd given JonBenet a bike; we got Patsy a bike. We were giving Burke a bike but not that year. Anyway, there was a bike that we put in their basement, and I gone over after the kids went to bed to get it to put it under the tree. And Joe went down to the garage and went down to get it and brought it up. I offered to go get it and he said no, he'd go get it himself. I don't know where it specifically was, whether it was actually in his garage or his basement.

20 LOU SMIT: You know, I've looked at a lot of pictures in regards to this particular case and I can't remember seeing any bikes. What happened to the bikes?

24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, they were in the garage, I guess. JonBenet rode her bike for a moment outside before we went to the White's; just round the patio. I'm sure that went back in the garage. Patsy's bike, I don't know, it could have gone in the garage. I don't remember.

5 LOU SMIT: Have you seen it since, Patsy's bike?

7 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. We have it.

8 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) took it?

9 JOHN RAMSEY: No. We gave, Jonbenet's bike we gave away. Patsy's bike we haven't (INAUDIBLE).

Just try to marry up the info below on the bikes with what JR says above?

Daily Camera, 1997/12/26-4 By JULIE POPPEN, Camera Staff Writer, Excerpt

Christmas day was warm and sunny for the most part, and JonBenét and her brother each received new bicycles that their mother picked out from University Bicycles downtown.

Also on Dr Phil we have Burke saying:

I remember peeking down and seeing an electric train. I was super excited, he recalled. I think she got a big doll house, we both got bikes.

Note Julie Poppen is writing before JR was even interviewed, check the dates!

JonBenet's Tricycle:
The 'Keeper' Of JonBenét Ramsey's Tricycle Has A Documentary Ready To Rock

Lots of whacky details out there ...

Can we believe what JR says about the bikes?

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[Springrain]

John remarried four years later and now lives in Salt Lake City. John is a shifty guy, had extramarital affairs, was absent from the home due to work, complained to Patsy she was a bad housekeeper and cook.

John R is a very cunning, articulate and to some degree a sinister person. Claimed to be a great Christian by sucking in Lou Smit. Dobed in all his friends that crossed him as suspects to the police. Who would do that? Fleet Snow hates his guts now. A once good friend he dobed into the police.

His actions, the ransom note is a first time ever in the history of crime. "Listen carefully John, don't grow a brain". From a movie line. There were so many movie posters in their basement.

I wish I could like this point 10x, especially the quoted part. John is NO saint, and the fact that people who are RDI, PDI, and BDI (for the record, I am BDI, although I think it happened as a result of John's actions - not that that's really relevant to this post), are all too willing to absolve John of responsibility. I have continuously been baffled by the fact that some people think Patsy pulled off this giant scam and somehow managed to con John. I do not know why people are falling for this conman's act of the grieving father when he is obviously a questionably moral and, IMO, suspicious person at minimum. Do people really think he'd be stupid enough to be fooled by Patsy if she did carry it out on her own? At best, in that situation, he'd be covering up for her. I have my own thoughts on John and what he may have done that I won't talk about here, but I'm sure you can guess.

 

[anonymiss]

I don't think he dictated it, I think he wrote it. There's any number of ways he could have kept his prints off of anything involved in the murder and cover-up; for the note, the Kleenex on the table would be one, but not the only one.

I don't think PR wrote it because there are too many "thats" in the RN which are overused and could easily have been omitted. PR was a graduate of the University of West Virginia and earned a BA in journalism, so I really doubt she would overuse "that" in her writing. If PR did write the RN, she may have been trying to disguise her knowledge of journalism to make it seem like a poorly educated foreign individual with weak writing skills (overuse of pronouns and misspellings) better fit the profile of a kidnapper looking for ransom, imo.