The Ramsey case - in real time

[Holdontoyourhat]

It is 5:54 in Boulder. There was no way Patsy could do all she says she did, and still have made the 911 call by 5:52. Getting dressed, yes. Washing her face and brushing her teeth and hair, yes. Doing whatever this nebulous thing called "fussing with JonBenet's outfit," no.

There is no way, especially with the R's much-touted evasions, that an outside observer could put together any believable chronology of events. I'm assuming that somewhere in all this you're implying RDI, but in order for it to be plausible, you should've pointed out some real-world motive for murder. Where's the real-world motive? Are you saying its because JR didn't want to help JBR ride her bike? Thats nutts!

BTW there was a real-world motive for murder outlined in the ransom note.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

BTW there was a real-world motive for murder outlined in the ransom note.

No, there was a motive for kidnapping outlined in the RN. The RN says there won't be any murder if the Rs comply, but that was all misdirection, because the child was already murdered. In my opinion, the motive in the RN for kidnapping was just as bogus as the kidnapping itself. Why John Ramsey? Why his daughter and not his son? Why a 3 page note? Why not write one beforehand instead of depending upon the Ramseys to provide them with the materials needed and bring it with? Why not ransom the dead girl, since that was supposedly their motive in the first place? Why stop to molest her in her own house?

 

[BlueCrab]

It's 5:53 AM. Patsy, having just completed the 911 call, calls the homes of Fleet and Priscilla White and John and Barbara Fernie. She later calls Rev. Rol Hoverstock and Dr. Francesco Beuf.

The temperature was around 10 degrees and a light dusting of snow had fallen during the early morning hours.

The cops get there first and Officer Rick French enters the home at about 5:59 AM and searches the interior including the basement; and Sgt. Paul Reichenbach arrives on the scene at about 6:00 AM and searches the exterior of the house and grounds. French finds no obvious point of forced entry; Reichenbach finds no footprints in the snow and also finds no obvious point of forced entry.

The Whites arrive about 10 minutes later and John Fernie gets there around 5 minutes after that. (He had a longer distance to drive.) Fleet White almost immediately searches the interior of the house by himself, including the basement, looking for JonBenet and calling out her name as he searches.

John says he did not search the basement prior to calling 911.

 

[Cranberry]

PR finds a 3 page handwritten note on the stairs and reads, "we have your daughter" runs upstairs, checks JBR's room, she is not in her bed, screams for JR, they check on BR, go downstairs and John says call 911. She calls 911 and hasn't even read the note, a lengthy communication from a possible kidnapper who may have taken her daughter, and she hasn't done a cursory search of the rooms in the house for her child or an indication of robbery, etc.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, there was a motive for kidnapping outlined in the RN. The RN says there won't be any murder if the Rs comply, but that was all misdirection, because the child was already murdered. In my opinion, the motive in the RN for kidnapping was just as bogus as the kidnapping itself. Why John Ramsey? Why his daughter and not his son? Why a 3 page note? Why not write one beforehand instead of depending upon the Ramseys to provide them with the materials needed and bring it with? Why not ransom the dead girl, since that was supposedly their motive in the first place? Why stop to molest her in her own house?

There was a motive for murder, that has nothing to do with kidnapping, clearly outlined in the RN.

 

[tipper]

It's 5:53 AM. Patsy, having just completed the 911 call, calls the homes of Fleet and Priscilla White and John and Barbara Fernie. She later calls Rev. Rol Hoverstock and Dr. Francesco Beuf.

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Wasn't it Barbara Fernie who called Rev. Rol Hoverstock and Dr. Francesco Beuf?

 

[why_nutt]

It is almost 4:00 p.m. in Boulder. This day is truly flying by. JonBenet is dead, and it is difficult to believe that enough time has gone by for anybody to process this fact and accept it. As I experience the fact of the real-time minutes and hours, I have come to find, at least from my own perspective, a person would have to have truly hated the house they lived in already, to be able to make the decision so quickly that they would never, ever, come back to it again after leaving through the door. I love my abode, and so my nature is to want to get back to it as soon as I can, even if my loved one was killed inside. But if I had already hated my home with every fiber of my being, the death of my daughter inside that home would serve as a perfect excuse to say that I would never enter that hellhole again.

It is only four o'clock in the afternoon in Boulder. It was just ten hours ago that the Boulder police were called to the house. In these past ten hours, I have felt time pass so quickly that, this day, I feel somewhat more understanding of the pressure they were under to deal with the very different crimes, of kidnapping and then of murder, they were forced to respond to.

 

[capps]

It is now early evening the day after Christmas,and in real time ... it is nine years later,and we are nowhere further ahead in solving,or at least bringing to trial to seek the real truth, this infuriating and senseless murder of JonBenet.

 

[aussiesheila]

In spite of the unpopularity of my theory I haven't given up on it and I think that up to five of the males listed here came back after midnight on the evening of the 25th/26th.
So I have a question - who else besides Bill McReynolds has had his DNA checked against that of the DNA on the panties? Don Paugh? Cliff Gaston? Joe Barnhill? Glen Meyer? Does anyone know if any of these men have been tested, and if any of them came up negative?

My theory fits with ALL the known facts about the case. Even as I continue reading about the case, I still cannot find anything that negates it. Even after years and years everyone else is still struggling to formulate a cohesive theory. I KNOW my theory is substantially correct.

Have I managed to get anyone riled up with this statement?

Then here is your chance to shut me up. Have all these people been cleared on the DNA test? Doesn't ANYONE know?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

My theory fits with ALL the known facts about the case. Even as I continue reading about the case, I still cannot find anything that negates it. Even after years and years everyone else is still struggling to formulate a cohesive theory. I KNOW my theory is substantially correct.

Have I managed to get anyone riled up with this statement?

Then here is your chance to shut me up. Have all these people been cleared on the DNA test? Doesn't ANYONE know?

Your theory is negated by the fact that there is no corroborating evidence. An example of such evidence would be a friend or family member coming forward to accuse someone of misconduct either before, during, or after the murder.

 

[aussiesheila]

Your theory is negated by the fact that there is no corroborating evidence. An example of such evidence would be a friend or family member coming forward to accuse someone of misconduct either before, during, or after the murder.

If the only people to know about such goings on were other pedophiles or the wives of pedophiles I would not expect anyone to come forward to accuse someone of misconduct because they would all be protecting one another. I would think they would all know one another's dirty little secrets so that if there was one who blabbed he would be exposed too.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

If the only people to know about such goings on were other pedophiles or the wives of pedophiles I would not expect anyone to come forward to accuse someone of misconduct because they would all be protecting one another. I would think they would all know one another's dirty little secrets so that if there was one who blabbed he would be exposed too.

Not even the Manson family was that tight.

 

[Linda7NJ]

PR finds a 3 page handwritten note on the stairs and reads, "we have your daughter" runs upstairs, checks JBR's room, she is not in her bed, screams for JR, they check on BR, go downstairs and John says call 911. She calls 911 and hasn't even read the note, a lengthy communication from a possible kidnapper who may have taken her daughter, and she hasn't done a cursory search of the rooms in the house for her child or an indication of robbery, etc.

I am thinking if I found a 3 page note lying on my stairs and while reading in the first paragraph I read, "At this time we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter" Just reading that and glancing at the very next paragraph I see amounts of money. I don't know about you, but I am believing the note, especially after racing back to my child's room and finding it empty. I would call 911 before I did anything else. I certainly wouldn't be worried if my house had been robbed! I think if looked anywhere at all after that I would have ran & looked outside.

 

[aussiesheila]

Not even the Manson family was that tight.

Not a fair comparison. The Manson family no way resembles the Boulder pedophiles hiding within respectable Boulder society. What about the sexual abuse that went on within the church for decades (more probably centuries) without anyone blabbing?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I am thinking if I found a 3 page note lying on my stairs and while reading in the first paragraph I read, "At this time we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter" Just reading that and glancing at the very next paragraph I see amounts of money. I don't know about you, but I am believing the note, especially after racing back to my child's room and finding it empty. I would call 911 before I did anything else. I certainly wouldn't be worried if my house had been robbed! I think if looked anywhere at all after that I would have ran & looked outside.

I think your post is very realistic.

Standing in stark contrast is the concoction that the R's authored a three page note sure to be hyper-analyzed, and then called 911 earlier than they themselves prescribed. This is very unrealistic, and yet RDI requires it to have happened.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think your post is very realistic.

Standing in stark contrast is the concoction that the R's authored a three page note sure to be hyper-analyzed, and then called 911 earlier than they themselves prescribed. This is very unrealistic, and yet RDI requires it to have happened.

IMO Patsy wrote that note.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Not a fair comparison. The Manson family no way resembles the Boulder pedophiles hiding within respectable Boulder society. What about the sexual abuse that went on within the church for decades (more probably centuries) without anyone blabbing?

The idea that the R's were connected to anything like this is drawn literally out of thin air. Its based only on the fact that a child was murdered in the same house.

IOW, I'm not sure you can project an arbitrary personality (child abuser, child killer, pedophile, etc.) onto somebody just because he/she was under the same roof.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

IMO Patsy wrote that note.

IMO an 'English as 2nd language' middle-aged male of foreign nationality wrote that note.

The R's had nothing to do with the murder of their daughter.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The idea that the R's were connected to anything like this is drawn literally out of thin air. Its based only on the fact that a child was murdered in the same house.

IOW, I'm not sure you can project an arbitrary personality (child abuser, child killer, pedophile, etc.) onto somebody just because he/she was under the same roof.

IOOW, If you apply a murderous or abusive personality onto someone in the same house without any supporting argument other than the murder itself, it has the appearance of circular reasoning, or flawed logic.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO an 'English as 2nd language' middle-aged male of foreign nationality wrote that note.

The R's had nothing to do with the murder of their daughter.

Only if Patsy lied about where she was born, and underwent a sex change operation before becoming the Patsy we know today