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dshadow said:
The past five years, huh? That's good to know. I do hope you understand my curiousity.......as a 16 year old, you sure got your hands on some priceless pics of JonBenet......I think that you do in fact have many stories to share with us and I look forward to that day.
RR
How do you mean 'creeps you out'?dshadow said:
I haven't been there for a while, in fact I may have never been there when you owned it dshadow, so I guess I'll never know the difference.
Are you related to Gloria Williams, someone surmised that one time and I have always been curious about that.
Thanks.
sissi
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Thanks Toast, it was a reasonable explanation,afterall! 
"what new evidence"...
Let's see, what's new. Wise changed his mind after realizing the dna was more of an issue than earlier proprosed. He was saddened that Patsy died without knowing who killed her child.
Wise said as well,that it was dna from a caucasian male, putting to rest the "asian factory worker".
The panties in the pack were never tested, putting that myth to rest.
The grand jury DID make a decision based on EVIDENCE provided by the coroner,that they felt was exculpatory to the Ramseys, WHILE never being given the dna information. The myth that Hunter made the call, was debunked.
It is now clear that ,although only containing six markers, that dna under the nails on both hands , match six of the markers from the dna in her underwear. That dna made it to codis,
It would be IMPOSSIBLE in the mathematics of this to say six out of ten doesn't equate to a match. None is dna belonging to any tested suspect.
"what new evidence"...
Let's see, what's new. Wise changed his mind after realizing the dna was more of an issue than earlier proprosed. He was saddened that Patsy died without knowing who killed her child.
Wise said as well,that it was dna from a caucasian male, putting to rest the "asian factory worker".
The panties in the pack were never tested, putting that myth to rest.
The grand jury DID make a decision based on EVIDENCE provided by the coroner,that they felt was exculpatory to the Ramseys, WHILE never being given the dna information. The myth that Hunter made the call, was debunked.
It is now clear that ,although only containing six markers, that dna under the nails on both hands , match six of the markers from the dna in her underwear. That dna made it to codis,
It would be IMPOSSIBLE in the mathematics of this to say six out of ten doesn't equate to a match. None is dna belonging to any tested suspect.
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They don't know he was caucasian. They don't know that the panty DNA came from the killer, either. And I hadn't heard the panty DNA matched up to the fingernail DNA...where are you getting all this?sissi said:
sissi
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Nuisance, Wise said it on Crt TV two weeks ago, it's been "covered". If you ,or anyone else chooses not to believe him, that's your right.
He said, at the time of the grand jury, they were NOT given the dna evidence,it was obvious he felt the police were forcing a case without proper evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
He said, at the time of the grand jury, they were NOT given the dna evidence,it was obvious he felt the police were forcing a case without proper evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
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No it didn't have ten markers, but the mathematical chances of six markers matching the ten available in the panties can be defined as a match. On the other hand, four red fibers, being consistent with Patsy's sweater ,is weak.
Again, in most societies, there is reverence for the experience one gains over the years, be it in life events or employment. Why it's been suggested by some that an experienced detective, because he was in his sixties, is less likely to understand evidence than an inexperienced, ZERO IN FACT, rogue cop is something I can not understand.
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On a lighter note, my 87 yr old Aunt, since deceased, said the week after Jonbenet was murdered, "a santa did it". Maybe she was right? Maybe it was a "santa", not the one we think, but considering her aged intuition, she may have been right.
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Now would that be the same show that mentioned the DNA was caucasian in the first airing, and then edited that out for later showings? I saw that show. And I happen to know they cannot determine race from DNA. Nice try, let's stick to the facts, please.
No proper evidence? Where are you looking? The parents give inconsistant stories, they have selective amnesia, Patsy cannot be excluded as the author of the RN - written on her pad of paper with a Sharpie from their house, and her jacket fibers are on the tape, in the knot, and in her paint tray. Not to mention the pineapple in JonBenet's intestines, consistant down to the rind with what was in their house, that the Rs cannot account for, despite their filmsy story that their own son contradicted.
What there is no evidence of is an intruder.
No proper evidence? Where are you looking? The parents give inconsistant stories, they have selective amnesia, Patsy cannot be excluded as the author of the RN - written on her pad of paper with a Sharpie from their house, and her jacket fibers are on the tape, in the knot, and in her paint tray. Not to mention the pineapple in JonBenet's intestines, consistant down to the rind with what was in their house, that the Rs cannot account for, despite their filmsy story that their own son contradicted.
What there is no evidence of is an intruder.
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That "rogue cop" had some solid experts (older than he) including FBI's CASKU unit backing him right up in his theory. Smit wouldn't even outline his theory to FBI.sissi said:
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Did your aunt personally know JonBenet or the Ramseys? How much evidence was she privy to when she made her guess a week after the murder?sissi said:
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I consider him an official source, evidently not many on here do. He was first assistant district attorney in Boulder county who worked on the case for years.
"Let's see, what's new. Wise changed his mind after realizing the dna was more of an issue than earlier proprosed. He was saddened that Patsy died without knowing who killed her child."
Wise has not been involved with this case for quite a while. He wasn't there when they determined the DNA to be useless. He's going by unchallenged information put out by Ramsey sources. She bloody well knew!
Anyone here heard this story? It's in DOI: Patsy and her friend call the wife of the GLOBE editor claiming to be his mistress. Yet another example of Patsy's never-ending search for her daughter's killer.
"Wise said as well,that it was dna from a caucasian male, putting to rest the 'asian factory worker'."
Again, he's going by Team Ramsey stuff.
"The panties in the pack were never tested, putting that myth to rest."
Actually, they were. In an article for the local news, Chuck Green reported that they did. Henry Lee said so too, I think. You're getting bad info, sissi.
"The grand jury DID make a decision based on EVIDENCE provided by the coroner,that they felt was exculpatory to the Ramseys, WHILE never being given the dna information. The myth that Hunter made the call, was debunked."
The GJ made their decision based on EMOTION, not evidence. Granted, it probably could have been presented better, but the GJ had that same old "no parent could do this" BS. Does the name Andrea Yates mean anything? Diane Downs? Susan Smith? John List? Marilyn Lemak?
Did you know there was an earlier interview with FBI agent Ron Walker, sissi? Did you know that he said the Ramseys could have done it? How parents have decapitated their children?
"It is now clear that ,although only containing six markers, that dna under the nails on both hands , match six of the markers from the dna in her underwear. That dna made it to codis,
It would be IMPOSSIBLE in the mathematics of this to say six out of ten doesn't equate to a match. None is dna belonging to any tested suspect."
It's impossible to say it WAS a match, you mean. They were two separate DNA profiles. DNA is 99% identical in all humans.
Here's what one of the investigators had to say about the DNA "evidence": "We certainly don't think it is attributable to an assailant. That's our belief. When you take everything else in total, it doesn't make sense. I've always said this is not a DNA case. It's not hinging on DNA evidence." (Rocky Mountain News, November 19, 2002.)
According to the same article, investigators did some tests on similar panties from the same plant and found that some also contained DNA. Since the bits of DNA molecule found mixed with JonBenet's blood were fragmented and degraded to the point that they couldn't even be sourced to any particular type of cell, contamination from the plant is the most likely explanation for its presence -- and the fact that it was never sourced to anyone connected to the family or anyone in the CODIS database. There is NO reason why that DNA should not be complete. But it wasn't.
The DNA on Sarah Cherry's nails wasn't from Dennis DeChaine, but he sure as heck killed her! Want to free him?
"They don't know he was caucasian. They don't know that the panty DNA came from the killer, either. And I hadn't heard the panty DNA matched up to the fingernail DNA...where are you getting all this?"
Ollie Gray, a Ramsey PI. He's been pimping this nonsense for years.
"That's because the panty DNA didn't match the fingernail DNA nuisance.
I think the only person to ever say that was Smit."
And the Ramsey PIs. Tom Bennett actually said that the DNA probably wasn't related to the crime. It's the biggest red herring in this case. The only reason we hear about it is because the Ramseys have threatened to sue anyone who doesn't totally agree with them. Well, if I have anything to say about it, that will soon end.
"Nuisance, Wise said it on Crt TV two weeks ago, it's been "covered". If you ,or anyone else chooses not to believe him, that's your right."
Michael Kane was much more intimately involved with the case, yet I see you choose not to believe him.
"No it didn't have ten markers, but the mathematical chances of six markers matching the ten available in the panties can be defined as a match."
Not by any self-respecting scientist.
'"On the other hand, four red fibers, being consistent with Patsy's sweater ,is weak."
Like hell. There were a lot more than that, and in some pretty devastating places.
"Why it's been suggested by some that an experienced detective, because he was in his sixties, is less likely to understand evidence than an inexperienced, ZERO IN FACT, rogue cop is something I can not understand."
Maybe this will help: SMIT was the rogue, NOT Thomas. Smit was the one who went off on his own, basing his belief in their innocence on a prayer session. He was the biased one. He couldn't even find any reliable experts to support him. He'd be destroyed on the witness stand.
"He ignores a lot of evidence."-Chief Beckner.
Then there's the LKL face-off. Patsy's heavily medicated, clumsily trying to put the advances on ST, all the while John's grinning like a shark. John reminds me of the Emperor from "Star Wars:" join him or else. "If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed!"
"And I happen to know they cannot determine race from DNA."
That's absolutely right!
"I consider him an official source, evidently not many on here do. He was first assistant district attorney in Boulder county who worked on the case for years."
Would you extend the same to Kane? I have my doubts?
"That "rogue cop" had some solid experts (older than he) including FBI's CASKU unit backing him right up in his theory. Smit wouldn't even outline his theory to FBI."
Yes, don't forget that.
"Where are you looking?"
I was thinking the same thing.
"What there is no evidence of is an intruder."
That doesn't stop Team Ramsey from making some up!
"The parents give inconsistant stories, they have selective amnesia, Patsy cannot be excluded as the author of the RN - written on her pad of paper with a Sharpie from their house, and her jacket fibers are on the tape, in the knot, and in her paint tray. Not to mention the pineapple in JonBenet's intestines, consistant down to the rind with what was in their house, that the Rs cannot account for, despite their filmsy story that their own son contradicted."
If anyone's interested, I can make a list of the "Ramseys-Did-it" evidence. Too bad blueclouds didn't stick around long enough for me to do it per his/her request, but I'm always game.
I was fooled by the Rs once. Like The WHO says: "won't get fooled again."
Wise has not been involved with this case for quite a while. He wasn't there when they determined the DNA to be useless. He's going by unchallenged information put out by Ramsey sources. She bloody well knew!
Anyone here heard this story? It's in DOI: Patsy and her friend call the wife of the GLOBE editor claiming to be his mistress. Yet another example of Patsy's never-ending search for her daughter's killer.
"Wise said as well,that it was dna from a caucasian male, putting to rest the 'asian factory worker'."
Again, he's going by Team Ramsey stuff.
"The panties in the pack were never tested, putting that myth to rest."
Actually, they were. In an article for the local news, Chuck Green reported that they did. Henry Lee said so too, I think. You're getting bad info, sissi.
"The grand jury DID make a decision based on EVIDENCE provided by the coroner,that they felt was exculpatory to the Ramseys, WHILE never being given the dna information. The myth that Hunter made the call, was debunked."
The GJ made their decision based on EMOTION, not evidence. Granted, it probably could have been presented better, but the GJ had that same old "no parent could do this" BS. Does the name Andrea Yates mean anything? Diane Downs? Susan Smith? John List? Marilyn Lemak?
Did you know there was an earlier interview with FBI agent Ron Walker, sissi? Did you know that he said the Ramseys could have done it? How parents have decapitated their children?
"It is now clear that ,although only containing six markers, that dna under the nails on both hands , match six of the markers from the dna in her underwear. That dna made it to codis,
It would be IMPOSSIBLE in the mathematics of this to say six out of ten doesn't equate to a match. None is dna belonging to any tested suspect."
It's impossible to say it WAS a match, you mean. They were two separate DNA profiles. DNA is 99% identical in all humans.
Here's what one of the investigators had to say about the DNA "evidence": "We certainly don't think it is attributable to an assailant. That's our belief. When you take everything else in total, it doesn't make sense. I've always said this is not a DNA case. It's not hinging on DNA evidence." (Rocky Mountain News, November 19, 2002.)
According to the same article, investigators did some tests on similar panties from the same plant and found that some also contained DNA. Since the bits of DNA molecule found mixed with JonBenet's blood were fragmented and degraded to the point that they couldn't even be sourced to any particular type of cell, contamination from the plant is the most likely explanation for its presence -- and the fact that it was never sourced to anyone connected to the family or anyone in the CODIS database. There is NO reason why that DNA should not be complete. But it wasn't.
The DNA on Sarah Cherry's nails wasn't from Dennis DeChaine, but he sure as heck killed her! Want to free him?
"They don't know he was caucasian. They don't know that the panty DNA came from the killer, either. And I hadn't heard the panty DNA matched up to the fingernail DNA...where are you getting all this?"
Ollie Gray, a Ramsey PI. He's been pimping this nonsense for years.
"That's because the panty DNA didn't match the fingernail DNA nuisance.
I think the only person to ever say that was Smit."
And the Ramsey PIs. Tom Bennett actually said that the DNA probably wasn't related to the crime. It's the biggest red herring in this case. The only reason we hear about it is because the Ramseys have threatened to sue anyone who doesn't totally agree with them. Well, if I have anything to say about it, that will soon end.
"Nuisance, Wise said it on Crt TV two weeks ago, it's been "covered". If you ,or anyone else chooses not to believe him, that's your right."
Michael Kane was much more intimately involved with the case, yet I see you choose not to believe him.
"No it didn't have ten markers, but the mathematical chances of six markers matching the ten available in the panties can be defined as a match."
Not by any self-respecting scientist.
'"On the other hand, four red fibers, being consistent with Patsy's sweater ,is weak."
Like hell. There were a lot more than that, and in some pretty devastating places.
"Why it's been suggested by some that an experienced detective, because he was in his sixties, is less likely to understand evidence than an inexperienced, ZERO IN FACT, rogue cop is something I can not understand."
Maybe this will help: SMIT was the rogue, NOT Thomas. Smit was the one who went off on his own, basing his belief in their innocence on a prayer session. He was the biased one. He couldn't even find any reliable experts to support him. He'd be destroyed on the witness stand.
"He ignores a lot of evidence."-Chief Beckner.
Then there's the LKL face-off. Patsy's heavily medicated, clumsily trying to put the advances on ST, all the while John's grinning like a shark. John reminds me of the Emperor from "Star Wars:" join him or else. "If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed!"
"And I happen to know they cannot determine race from DNA."
That's absolutely right!
"I consider him an official source, evidently not many on here do. He was first assistant district attorney in Boulder county who worked on the case for years."
Would you extend the same to Kane? I have my doubts?
"That "rogue cop" had some solid experts (older than he) including FBI's CASKU unit backing him right up in his theory. Smit wouldn't even outline his theory to FBI."
Yes, don't forget that.
"Where are you looking?"
I was thinking the same thing.
"What there is no evidence of is an intruder."
That doesn't stop Team Ramsey from making some up!
"The parents give inconsistant stories, they have selective amnesia, Patsy cannot be excluded as the author of the RN - written on her pad of paper with a Sharpie from their house, and her jacket fibers are on the tape, in the knot, and in her paint tray. Not to mention the pineapple in JonBenet's intestines, consistant down to the rind with what was in their house, that the Rs cannot account for, despite their filmsy story that their own son contradicted."
If anyone's interested, I can make a list of the "Ramseys-Did-it" evidence. Too bad blueclouds didn't stick around long enough for me to do it per his/her request, but I'm always game.
I was fooled by the Rs once. Like The WHO says: "won't get fooled again."
Britt
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SuperDave :clap: Excellent post.
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Nuisanceposter said:
And a "guess" is just that. I "guessed" that the R's are involved in some fashion, but I doubt she'd take my word for it...lol
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