Jail Call Between Lee and Casey -revisited

[jbar]

OK this just came to me - is CAYLEE the PHONE???

 

[karenmamo]

WOW. I had never paid any attention to that phrase before. But it is interesting "after the fact" of what?????
When I listened to that call, just now, I am again reminded of how "contrived" the call sounds.
Like for instance when Lee says "I realize in this day and age no one memorizes phone numbers" It's like he was putting that out there for public consumption. IMHO.
You are right. It's telling.
I am beginning to believe that after Cindy made those first phone calls to LE and then after Lee came over they discovered the truth. They have been in "circle the wagon" mode since that day.
IMHO

If this is what happened: I am beginning to believe that after Cindy made those first phone calls to LE and then after Lee came over they discovered the truth. They have been in "circle the wagon" mode since that day.
................then, why was brother Lee on the phone questioning her. The three decided on the kidnap....so what would the purpose be in quizzing her? Help me out here.
Thanks

 

[unsaid]

OK this just came to me - is CAYLEE the PHONE???

I thought that too. It's totally possible. Many have speculated they were speaking in code.

 

[Theonly1]

OK this just came to me - is CAYLEE the PHONE???

I thought that for awhile that blackjack could have been code for "backpack" and that Caylee was its "charge". And how the blackjack (backpack) would not hold its charge (Caylee). Pretty gruesome...and how Casey kept switching "it" back and forth. It was a weird conversation.

 

[jbar]

I think the sigh is because they were cut off in the middle of the conversation.

 

[hinkymeter]

I thought that for awhile that blackjack could have been code for "backpack" and that Caylee was its "charge". And how the blackjack (backpack) would not hold its charge (Caylee). Pretty gruesome...and how Casey kept switching "it" back and forth. It was a weird conversation.

Whew, I think that theory gives far too much credit to her intelligence. I don't think she's got enough going on upstairs to code like that. I do, however, think she dumped the Blackjack at Universal. (are we even SURE there was a blackjack to being with?) Generally speaking, the more details a known liar gives, the higher the chance that they aren't telling the truth in *that* instance. (Did that make sense?)

 

[SusieClue]

Whew, I think that theory gives far too much credit to her intelligence. I don't think she's got enough going on upstairs to code like that. I do, however, think she dumped the Blackjack at Universal. (are we even SURE there was a blackjack to being with?) Generally speaking, the more details a known liar gives, the higher the chance that they aren't telling the truth in *that* instance. (Did that make sense?)

I agree with you. I think it was a fictional phone made up so that she would have an excuse for why she didn't have Zenaida's phone number.

 

[Centaurus]

What does she mean by "mutual friend?" Obviously Lee doesn't know a Jeff or Juliet, so who is the other person that does to make it "mutual?" It doesn't seem like she is referring to ZFG.

 

[sariebell]

Yeah, the Blackjack thing bothers me, too. I wonder why she ditched the "blackjack" that she had (expensive phone), but kept the Nokia one (cheapest piece they have or however she described it). She ditched the Blackjack for a reason and I don't think the reason was that it didn't hold it's charge. Perhaps she was afraid of the cell triangulation that might result from that phone. Perhaps it was, in fact, a half-baked story for why she didn't have fictional people's fictional phone numbers. But, she was broke enough and social enough to still need a phone to communicate. So, she put the sim card from her Blackjack into an old Nokia and thought that would solve the prob. Just thinking out loud.

I do think that Lee was tearing her story apart on the phone with her, perhaps subconsciously. I think he knows. He may still "support" because he is a product of that family also, but he is lying low b/c he knows this doesn't jive.

 

[Centaurus]

I honestly don't think she had a blackjack. This phone was supposedly her "work phone," which we all know she didn't have a job. I think she made it up because ZFG's number wasn't on her Nokia.

 

[sariebell]

Yup, Centaurus, that makes sense. But, it would also make sense to me that she would buy a Blackjack with (perhaps) Amy's $ or CiA's credit card to lend credence to her fake job. It seems these days that lots of young 20-somethings around me are flashing blackberrys or iphones and pretending like they have really important jobs. In reality, however, they just have parents who buy them everything and they are essentially still like high school kids without the high school.

 

[Indianagirl]

When you switch phones, wouldn't the phone company have record of when you activated it? Don't you have to go the phone store or call a # to have the new phone activated?

 

[Centaurus]

When you switch phones, wouldn't the phone company have record of when you activated it? Don't you have to go the phone store or call a # to have the new phone activated?

It really depends on your service provider. If you use a service provider that uses SIM technology, no you don't have to. You simply can transfter your SIM card to a new phone and that's that. I use Verizon, and we do not have SIM cards, everytime I upgrade my phone I have to call Verizon or go online to activate my phone.

 

[hinkymeter]

When you switch phones, wouldn't the phone company have record of when you activated it? Don't you have to go the phone store or call a # to have the new phone activated?

No, it's just a matter of switching SIM cards with AT&T.

Also, if I had just purchased a Blackjack after paying seventy-eleven dollars for it and it didn't hold a charge, I'd be right back at the store, post-haste.

 

[jbar]

Lee said something like "Let's talk about your phone, you are referring to it as your blackjack?" That's a weird way to talk about your sister's phone, and I am sure that Lee is "with it" enough that he's aware of "blackjack" phones - plus wouldn't he know what sort of phone she has? He sees her on a regular basis I assume? I know my sister has a razor....

 

[Eponine]

What's always bothered me about that phone call is when Lee asks KC about why she was at Universal, and she says something like she was talking to some friends, and he's like, was it for work or fun? And she responds along the lines of it being definitely not for fun and not for work, and his response seems like something suddenly "clicks," and he keeps saying how he understands, oh yeah, that sort of thing.

Hope all that makes sense. Anyways, that's the part that's always bothered me--just an unnatural response from him about that particular part of her story.

 

[Eponine]

Lee said something like "Let's talk about your phone, you are referring to it as your blackjack?" That's a weird way to talk about your sister's phone, and I am sure that Lee is "with it" enough that he's aware of "blackjack" phones - plus wouldn't he know what sort of phone she has? He sees her on a regular basis I assume? I know my sister has a razor....

YES! I was thinking that too! Wouldn't he know, or were he and KC really not that close? I know the phones my siblings have, and we live in separate states!

 

[Rose Mom]

Could it be possible that switching SIM cards would have an effect on the account statement? IE: Call records ?

 

[Betty Boop]

I agree with you. I think it was a fictional phone made up so that she would have an excuse for why she didn't have Zenaida's phone number.

Yes, that was one of her super-quick responses to LA's questions on the initial jail tapes. She just comes up with this stuff "on the fly" and I do agree that it was the "lie of the moment" to cover the Zenaida phone number issue.

 

[Indianagirl]

I'm confused. In the phone call, she states:

CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too. The phone that I was currently using, the one I guess that the police still have, or you guys have it, I had set it up after the fact to just save things to my SIM card but you can also save it to just the phone or to the SIM card and the phone so there’s copy’s on both


Does anyone know, can you save a # to the phone without a sim card? For the phone to work wouldn't the sim card have to be in it? I guess if you just power it on and save a number you manually enter it could be done. But, anytime that # is used with the sim card in it, would it record the # to the sim card as well as the phone? *** Sorry if this doen't make any sense. I'm just confused about how sim cards work and what they store...