Japan: 9.0 Earthquake-Tsunami-Nuclear Reactor Developments #3

[dsntslp]

5 and 6 are spent fuel rod storage from the way I understood it...?

 

[ScorpRising]

Yes, quiche - I didn't include 5 and 6. Seems we haven't heard much about them today.

IIRC, a few pages back on #2... I thought NRC (if truthful) said 4, 5 and 6 ponds were dry...

 

[gibby207]

Okay, let's go with a hypothesis. SAY that possibly the reactors hold 3x as much fuel as Chernobyl. Does this mean (bear with my DUH-ness) that should a meltdown happen would there be a larger area affected, larger cloud, or it is more severe locally. Is the possibility here that SAY the reactors go and we have meltdown.... is it possible that with the large jet stream potential lil bits of cesium will drop about every damn inch of the planet and, thus, maybe as a whole won't be such a long-term issue. OR. Is it like a sneeze and the closest contacts get the majority of the dropout while smaller particles drift along trade winds and poof away. Does that make sense???

 

[ScorpRising]

Okay, let's go with a hypothesis. SAY that possibly the reactors hold 3x as much fuel as Chernobyl. Does this mean (bear with my DUH-ness) that should a meltdown happen would there be a larger area affected, larger cloud, or it is more severe locally. Is the possibility here that SAY the reactors go and we have meltdown.... is it possible that with the large jet stream potential lil bits of cesium will drop about every damn inch of the planet and, thus, maybe as a whole won't be such a long-term issue. OR. Is it like a sneeze and the closest contacts get the majority of the dropout while smaller particles drift along trade winds and poof away. Does that make sense???

Ah-choo... with most of that dropping into the Pacific

 

[sorrell skye]

it didn't do anything.. the dropping of the water....

It doesn't look like any of that water is even hitting the target, much less getting inside where it needs to be.

 

[lkhns]

I think he is letting those that know more than he does here in the US do the talking for now. I'd rather here from leaders in the areas of public health and nuclear energy than from the President.

Excellent point---and I agree wholeheartedly. It does not have to be Pres. Obama---you are right, best be someone who is expert in these areas. I guess I just would say that at some point the misinformation gets rampant and maybe it would be good to set the record straight as much as it can be (realizing that info. is limited and honestly, maybe not appropriate to share). Prime example: the sales of KI. Again, this is just MY thoughts.

okay, I will now shut up about this and say thank you to tambo & JBean for helping me see this from another perspective.

 

[dsntslp]

Yes Gibby, it makes sense.
I don't have the answer but I did check the jet stream info for the 11th through the 15th as it was happening daily and the best average I could come up with is 36 hours from Japan to California. Meaning that any radiation released beyond the last 36 hours would have already been in California and drifted further east.

If I am wrong, somebody please correct me, please.

 

[JBean]

Okay, let's go with a hypothesis. SAY that possibly the reactors hold 3x as much fuel as Chernobyl. Does this mean (bear with my DUH-ness) that should a meltdown happen would there be a larger area affected, larger cloud, or it is more severe locally. Is the possibility here that SAY the reactors go and we have meltdown.... is it possible that with the large jet stream potential lil bits of cesium will drop about every damn inch of the planet and, thus, maybe as a whole won't be such a long-term issue. OR. Is it like a sneeze and the closest contacts get the majority of the dropout while smaller particles drift along trade winds and poof away. Does that make sense???

My understanding is that an explosion is one of the keys to how much area is affected.

 

[SuziQ]

Showing water drops live. IMO, the copters are too high and the water is evaporating before hitting target.

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

 

[sorrell skye]

Line after line, a list on the wall of city hall reveals the dead. Some are named. Others are identified only by a short description.

Female. About 50. Peanuts in left chest pocket. Large mole. Seiko watch.

Male. 70-80 years old. Wearing an apron that says "Rentacom."

One set catches the eye of Hideki Kano, a man who appears to be in his 30s.

"I think that's my mom!" he says. He rushes out into the snow, headed for a makeshift morgue.

The list in Natori, and others along Japan's northeast coast, will only get longer.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-tsunami-aftermath-live

Heartbreaking.

 

[ScorpRising]

Yes Gibby, it makes sense.
I don't have the answer but I did check the jet stream info for the 11th through the 15th as it was happening daily and the best average I could come up with is 36 hours from Japan to California. Meaning that any radiation released beyond the last 36 hours would have already been in California and drifted further east.

If I am wrong, somebody please correct me, please.

I'm on the east coast and one of our guys said we'll measure in about a week (next Monday)...

No source data so take it as you will...

 

[gibby207]

Ah-choo... with most of that dropping into the Pacific

Ah-choo long enough to reach Hawaii? West Coast? Sooooooo..... luckily I don't like seafood. But. With that ah-choo into the Pacific, with the oceans so large, would it eventially dissipate into "meh, a lil radiation won't hurt ya" or would it take over the local plant life, animal life quickly, making the Pacific a "don't touch their tuna" zona.

 

[gibby207]

My understanding is that an explosion is one of the keys to how much area is affected.

That makes soooo much sense. So, at this point... they are trying to avoid explosion then. I am guessing.

 

[not_my_kids]

My friend in Japan who just recently spoke to us said that some people there will die in Japan. They won't leave, have no intention to. Some, the younger generations, want to go but are conflicted. My friend doesn't know what to do. He's very angry at his government right now tho.

I have no link... so, take it how ya wanna take it.

I know I'm way behind, but I would like to say that I believe that. In one of the documentaries I watched yesterday, said that there is a little known sect of elders that still lives in or on the fringes of the Chernobyl site, having been allowed to return (or doin git anyway) after they could not adjust to life away from what they had known. They know the risks and in fact, many of them have died, but they prefer to live out and die the rest of the time they have in the place they know and love.

With the culture and devotion to it shown by the Japanese people, especially those that are older and more deeply mired in their culture, that does not surprise me. If it were us, would I leave my home, all my memories, everything I own for a life of being shuffled through refugee camps and living in conditions that are possibly just as hard as the radiation is to live through?
If it were just me, without my children, I would likely bunker down, take the precautions I could and wait to see how bad it would get.

This is their choice and although it may be a bit foolhardy, I respect them for it.

 

[peeples]

Kyodo news..

Sports schedule for March 18
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/


REALLY?????????????????????

 

[ScorpRising]

Ah-choo long enough to reach Hawaii? West Coast? Sooooooo..... luckily I don't like seafood. But. With that ah-choo into the Pacific, with the oceans so large, would it eventially dissipate into "meh, a lil radiation won't hurt ya" or would it take over the local plant life, animal life quickly, making the Pacific a "don't touch their tuna" zona.

Ah-choo with most of it (hopefully) dissipating before it reaches any US land (including Hawaii).

Once again, I am NOT qualified to make such statements. So please, do not hunt me down if I am wrong.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Showing water drops live. IMO, the copters are too high and the water is evaporating before hitting target.

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

Please don't hit me - but this reminds of those carnival games where all the squirt guns are lined up and you spray water into the mouth of a clown or something to rise yours to the top first!

What I'm seeing is one was way too high - water just kinds floated away. The one where the copter got a little closer did get some water into that building. What bothers me is the "white cloud of steam" that came out of the building when the water hit. This can't be a good idea. These exposed rods are so hot that any water that hits them turns immediately to steam and is released back into the air.

I don't think this is going to work and might even make the situation worse.

 

[JBean]

That makes soooo much sense. So, at this point... they are trying to avoid explosion then. I am guessing.

No explosion means not as bad. Chernobyl had an explosion and the issue of the graphite.

 

[Quiche]

The water canon trucks aren't there yet? It's been allll day. on air

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

 

[karen in New York]

But maybe it is bringing down the radiation in the air ... to the ground. Sort of like the snow. There has to be some good news. I can't get my arms around this - every night about this time - I think it can't get any worse - yet it does.