Japan: 9.0 Earthquake-Tsunami-Nuclear Reactor Status #5

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[video=youtube;COZ5L7aeEBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZ5L7aeEBE[/video]
Nightline / The Nukes Next Door From: ABCNews |

Mar 29, 2011 "Nightline" looks at the safety records of American nuclear plants.
 
  • #202
Radiation found in San Francisco, CA tap water


University of Berkley in California reports that rainwater in San Francisco water has now been detected at levels 18,100% above federal drinking water standards.


This comes despite countless reassurances that no harmful levels of radiation from the Japan nuclear fallout would hit the U.S. from the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). infowars.com


Again, with just about all other news of the radiation hitting the U.S., the news is once again reported to the public over a week after it was first detected. infowars.com

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/173052.html

I'd like to have some independent verification from a US agency about these reported levels. This report is coming from Iran tv and it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't a disinformation campaign of some type. I'd like to know alot more before considering a report from a government run tv network from Tehran. Just think it's good to be a little cautious is all.
 
  • #203
I know no one asked for it, but I'll give my totally uneducated worst case scenario outlook on the whole disaster:
Not the end of the world, but the end of our lives as we recognize them. Let's say that all 6 reactors go into full meltdown, all at once, possibly triggered by an explosion in reactor 5 or 6. I do believe that a release of that magnitude, all shooting up into the air would circle the globe. There would be places that would be largely unaffected, but even for them, because of the damage to the rest of the world, their lives would not be the same as they are now.

I do believe that air travel would become very limited, mainly military for the first few years. Driving would be allowed, but I do think that cross country travel would be restricted by contamination "zones". Rest stops are the norm now, decon centers would become the norm. Our economy, globally, would falter, as transportation would take longer and would be more carefully controlled. I wouldn't be surprised to see heavy rationing of fuel and food, even water. No more washing the car or watering the lawn.

The economy would also suffer as our lives become less convenience based and more survival based. Scientific advancements would be focused more on medicine and construction, less on the next video game system. Due to massive amounts of damage done to the climate, I believe there would be extremely strict "green" guidelines for every household, company and person in order to reduce further impact.

Many of the things that we are used to seeing would change dramatically, including animal and human forms, and it wouldn't be as much of a tragedy to hear that someone has cancer, as we will become desensitized to it. Those with money will get better and be cured, those without will die quickly, and I believe that the sanatoriums would return, not for TB, but for cancer, as the hospitals would be overwhelmed.

Mnay of the things that we take for granted would become rare delicacies, such as food that weren't canned, grown inside or completely man made. The days of futuristic meals in a capsule would become reality. Fishing and hunting would become largely unsafe, except in the unaffected areas.

Internationally, we would all become secluded, because if we have food or other technologies, we would keep it for our own. And I would feel for any Japanese that were stuck outside of their own country when it finally happened, because, even though this was a company's fault, many will see them as the enemy.

ETA: Then again, what do I know? I only started really learning about any of this a month ago, and I've always been a bit of a pessimist.
 
  • #204
I'd like to have some independent verification from a US agency about these reported levels. This report is coming from Iran tv and it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't a disinformation campaign of some type. I'd like to know alot more before considering a report from a government run tv network from Tehran. Just think it's good to be a little cautious is all.

Here's a link from this morning, Peli-- it's a bay area organization that gives the same stats.

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  • #205
I know no one asked for it, but I'll give my totally uneducated worst case scenario outlook on the whole disaster:
Not the end of the world, but the end of our lives as we recognize them. Let's say that all 6 reactors go into full meltdown, all at once, possibly triggered by an explosion in reactor 5 or 6. I do believe that a release of that magnitude, all shooting up into the air would circle the globe. There would be places that would be largely unaffected, but even for them, because of the damage to the rest of the world, their lives would not be the same as they are now.

I do believe that air travel would become very limited, mainly military for the first few years. Driving would be allowed, but I do think that cross country travel would be restricted by contamination "zones". Rest stops are the norm now, decon centers would become the norm. Our economy, globally, would falter, as transportation would take longer and would be more carefully controlled. I wouldn't be surprised to see heavy rationing of fuel and food, even water. No more washing the car or watering the lawn.

The economy would also suffer as our lives become less convenience based and more survival based. Scientific advancements would be focused more on medicine and construction, less on the next video game system. Due to massive amounts of damage done to the climate, I believe there would be extremely strict "green" guidelines for every household, company and person in order to reduce further impact.

Many of the things that we are used to seeing would change dramatically, including animal and human forms, and it wouldn't be as much of a tragedy to hear that someone has cancer, as we will become desensitized to it. Those with money will get better and be cured, those without will die quickly, and I believe that the sanatoriums would return, not for TB, but for cancer, as the hospitals would be overwhelmed.

Mnay of the things that we take for granted would become rare delicacies, such as food that weren't canned, grown inside or completely man made. The days of futuristic meals in a capsule would become reality. Fishing and hunting would become largely unsafe, except in the unaffected areas.

Internationally, we would all become secluded, because if we have food or other technologies, we would keep it for our own. And I would feel for any Japanese that were stuck outside of their own country when it finally happened, because, even though this was a company's fault, many will see them as the enemy.

ETA: Then again, what do I know? I only started really learning about any of this a month ago, and I've always been a bit of a pessimist.

I guess I'm a little more optimistic. :innocent:
 
  • #206
Well, our "nutty scientist" didn't carry his scenario out that far in time, but all that sounds possible.

He told us that the very point of using nuclear Energy is that it magnifies and increases the heat exponentially. His worst case scenario involved an out of control reaction creating a burst of unimaginable searing heat that would "obliterate all of Japan". When I asked if he meant that literally, he said yes. So I asked how large a radius that could include and he said several thousand miles because we have placed nuclear plants within such close range of each other.

That leaves me with huge questions about the impact of that much heat release into the planetary atmosphere. How would this affect the waters of the earth? Would we be able to grow food?

Of course, he could simply be a madman. I wish a nuclear expert would weigh in on this.

I have noticed in some of the mass media reports, they have said massive explosion is unlikely, which would technically be true if it is actually an enormous burst of unimaginable heat. I also noted one report did say "generation of heat in an uncontrolled process", haha, it just didn't say how MUCH heat and how FAR it would spread. Would reaaaally like to know those answers.
 
  • #207
Well, our "nutty scientist" didn't carry his scenario out that far in time, but all that sounds possible.

He told us that the very point of using nuclear Energy is that it magnifies and increases the heat exponentially. His worst case scenario involved an out of control reaction creating a burst of unimaginable searing heat that would "obliterate all of Japan". When I asked if he meant that literally, he said yes. So I asked how large a radius that could include and he said several thousand miles because we have placed nuclear plants within such close range of each other.

That leaves me with huge questions about the impact of that much heat release into the planetary atmosphere. How would this affect the waters of the earth? Would we be able to grow food?

Of course, he could simply be a madman. I wish a nuclear expert would weigh in on this.

I have noticed in some of the mass media reports, they have said massive explosion is unlikely, which would technically be true if it is actually an enormous burst of unimaginable heat. I also noted one report did say "generation of heat in an uncontrolled process", haha, it just didn't say how MUCH heat and how FAR it would spread. Would reaaaally like to know those answers.

Thanks for sharing this-- I know you were hesitant. I'm not certain about his theory, but I'll be looking into the possibility of anything like this tomorrow. Right off hand, I'm thinking no chance, but... ?
 
  • #208
Here's a link from this morning, Peli-- it's a bay area organization that gives the same stats.

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I'm taking my socks off to count. I think some things are being exaggerated here. Looking at the chart from bay citizen this spike was one day and it appears the background baseline I'm assuming is normal everyday background is 4 or 5 becquerels per liter, according to the chart.

Now if the federal maximum level of iodine-131 allowed in drinking water is 0.111 becquerels per liter. Then the federal standards are exceeded in normal everyday background readings, used as a baseline.

Yes, I agree we need accuate readings minus with and without the already established base lines.

http://www.baycitizen.org/japan-disaster/story/government-under-fire-radiation-milk/2/
 
  • #209
I"m talking to a friend in the Marine's who is stationed in Sasebo Japan "doing IT type stuff on a ship out of here." He says no one is really worried about radiation over there where he is.
 
  • #210
Well, our "nutty scientist" didn't carry his scenario out that far in time, but all that sounds possible.

He told us that the very point of using nuclear Energy is that it magnifies and increases the heat exponentially. His worst case scenario involved an out of control reaction creating a burst of unimaginable searing heat that would "obliterate all of Japan". When I asked if he meant that literally, he said yes. So I asked how large a radius that could include and he said several thousand miles because we have placed nuclear plants within such close range of each other.

That leaves me with huge questions about the impact of that much heat release into the planetary atmosphere. How would this affect the waters of the earth? Would we be able to grow food?

Of course, he could simply be a madman. I wish a nuclear expert would weigh in on this.

I have noticed in some of the mass media reports, they have said massive explosion is unlikely, which would technically be true if it is actually an enormous burst of unimaginable heat. I also noted one report did say "generation of heat in an uncontrolled process", haha, it just didn't say how MUCH heat and how FAR it would spread. Would reaaaally like to know those answers.

Thank you for sharing.

My usual disclosure... I am not an expert:

Yes, the amount of heat that can be generated is immense. That is a known fact. There is a sign hanging on a bulletin board at work that shows the conversion of tons of coal and other fuels used to generate power to a small piece of nuclear fuel. I will type in the conversions rather than take a pic as I don't want the company name to appear here.

Thinking about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the heat from the bombs was immense based on the reports I read.

As far as obliterating all of Japan, I have no idea, but don't believe it is impossible. I don't think an out of control reaction would trigger additional reactions at nuclear plants around the globe. Thinking selfishly for a moment, Japan is an island nation, all of their reactors may blow up but I don't see the blast reaching the US. Radiation, well, we already know that answer. How it will affect the environment long term? I have no answer.

Japan seems to have no restrictions on the number of reactors at one location... They were planning on building 2 more at Fukishima Dai-ichi? Really? And there are 4 more reactors a few km away... Sigh :sick:

My thoughts are my own...
 
  • #211
Whatever happened to Danai? The other plant that was having problems as well? We heard about it for a couple weeks off and on and then nothing. Is it completely under control or just being overshadowed by the Diachi problems?
 
  • #212
TOKYO police on Tuesday arrested two people for selling a drug they claimed would protect people from the radiation leaking from Japan's stricken nuclear plant.

The pair, a 50-year-old health food trader and his 29-year-old assistant, were charged with the unlicensed sale of a medicine, a spokesman for the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department said.
~snip~
he two allegedly sold 10 bottles of the drug to three people between Feb 17 and March 29 for a total of 47,500 yen (S$712), the spokesman said.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_653205.html
This just makes me sick...but then again, how many are doing the same on eBay with KI pills?

Shares in the operator of Japan's crippled nuclear plant plunged to a new low Tuesday after Tokyo Electric Power Co. started pumping radioactive water into the sea as part of emergency operations.

Shares in TEPCO, which has lost more than 80 percent of its value since the quake, closed at 362 yen -- their lowest ever level -- amid concerns the embattled company will face huge compensation bills.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1120835/1/.html
Once the dust settles (har de har har) it doesn't seem there will be a TEPCO.


Seoul objected to Japan’s discharge of some 11,500 tons of highly radioactive contaminated water into the ocean Monday amid fears that so much radioactive water could endanger marine life and contaminate the human food chain.

The South Korean Foreign Ministry said it expressed concerns through its embassy in Japan that unleashing the contaminated water with radiation levels 100 times higher than the legally permitted level could infringe on international law and inquired about Tokyo’s next steps.

The Japanese foreign ministry replied that it will leak the contaminated water in small amounts over five days and measure the radiation levels in nearby waters as it continues to discharge. Tokyo also said it will reconsider the discharge once the detected levels exceed the legally permitted amount and look into whether it is against international law, according to Seoul officials.
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110405000816
BBM. I thought they already were?

Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) said Tuesday that it had detected radioactive seawater in the Pacific Ocean with a concentration of radioactive iodine many million times the legal limit.
The operator of the striken Fukushima Daiichi (No.1) nuclear power plant said that samples taken from seawater near one of the reactors contained 7.5 million times the legal limit for radioactive iodine on April 2.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-04/05/c_13814140.htm
Isn't that enough to make them reconsider, or is it not illegally high enough?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/8426171/A-tearful-sayonara-to-quake-hit-Japan.html
This one is written by someone that made it out of Japan, and it catalogues their fear after the quake and after the news of the problems at Daiichi broke.
 
  • #213
TEPCO starts injecting agent to stop leakage

The operator of the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear plant has injected a hardening agent beneath a leaking concrete pit in a bid to stem the flow of highly radioactive water into the sea.

Tokyo Electric Power Company started infusing liquid glass into gravel below the pit near the Number 2 reactor at 3 PM on Tuesday.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_32.html

I think they're using fiberglass.
 
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The Japanese government is reportedly considering a ban on shipments of certain seafood products following the discovery of a radioactive iodine in fish caught off Kitaibaraki, Ibaraki Prefecture, south of Fukushima.

High levels of radioactive iodine have been found in young launce caught off Kitaibaraki, Ibaraki Prefecture, prompting the Health Ministry to advise that it not be consumed. Different young launce also caught near Kitaibaraki was also contaminated with 526 bequerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium, exceeding the legal limit of 500 bequerels, a local fishery cooperative told local media Tuesday.

The cooperative is reportedly planning to ban fishing of young launce in all of Ibaraki Prefecture.
http://www.panorientnews.com/en/news.php?k=908
 
  • #216
I'd like to have some independent verification from a US agency about these reported levels. This report is coming from Iran tv and it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't a disinformation campaign of some type. I'd like to know alot more before considering a report from a government run tv network from Tehran. Just think it's good to be a little cautious is all.


I think this is the same report: http://www.businessinsider.com/san-...times-above-us-drinking-water-standard-2011-4
 
  • #217
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...llowed-in-fish/2011/04/05/AF3EdvhC_story.html
Sorry Just link. It is one sentence and says that I can't rewrite, distribute, publish or broadcast this information. So, I'm not. I am however sharing the link only with an online community...if that is still within my rights...

Another new safety standard for fish eh, maybe we should do this for mercury too. Think it's time to start tracking old standards vs. new standards.
 
  • #218
Catch em fast, I just caught a report I read earlier missing from the news site I'm using now. Here's a new story.

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Plant radiation monitor says levels immeasurable

A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation.

The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_27.html
_______________________________________
 
  • #219
Is Dumping Tons Of Radioactive Material Into The Ocean Really The Best Idea?
April 04, 2011 CNN

[video=youtube;t5lq4qljRvk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5lq4qljRvk[/video]
 
  • #220
Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening

The operator of the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear plant has injected a hardening agent beneath a leaking concrete pit in a bid to stem the flow of highly radioactive water into the sea.

The firm says the leakage seems to be decreasing, following the infusion of the hardening agent.

The utility showed reporters a photo of the leak on Tuesday evening, saying it indicates such a decrease.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_h32.html
 
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