Japan - Miyazawa family of 4 murdered, Setagaya, Tokyo, 30 Dec 2000 #4

[FacelessPodcast]

Never before seen image of the kitchen shown in the second trailer for this Fuji TV documentary:

 

[annemc2]

Whoa. I'm really interested to hear what people can glean from this photo. (definitely not my strong suit)

 

[Incoherent]

It seems like we’re going to see a very large amount of new photos of inside the house as it was found based on the last image. Have a zoom in and see:

 

[Eliver]

It seems like we’re going to see a very large amount of new photos of inside the house as it was found based on the last image. Have a zoom in and see:

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Yes, the voice-over near the end even says "More than 200 pictures from the crime scene." I wonder if they will really show them all.

From the kitchen picture in the trailer you can even see both knives and the gloves. Chilling, to say the least.

Although still difficult due to daylight, it should be also easier to understand if the lights were on or not (among many other things).

 

[Eliver]

There are some things to unpack from the documentary.

For now I just want to say that I have recorded it but unfortunately there are parts missing due to issues I had with the streaming from PC.

I can edit the footage I have, add English subtitles and upload it for everyone to watch, but admittedly, it is incomplete (unless it will be available elsewhere on Fuji TV website or YouTube).

It will take some time since it's 1 hour and half of footage so I will keep you all posted.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

Safe to say, this documentary / these images fundamentally alter the accepted version of events and contradict things I was repeatedly assured. The main two off the top of my head:

*There WERE bloody footprints leading to the front door meaning this is now almost certainly the escape route.

*There seems to be NO blood in Rei’s room whatsoever. Not on the boy, not on the bed, not on the carpet. This makes clear, then, Rei was definitively the first victim imo.

 

[Eliver]

Safe to say, this documentary / these images fundamentally alter the accepted version of events and contradict things I was repeatedly assured. The main two off the top of my head:

*There WERE bloody footprints leading to the front door meaning this is now almost certainly the escape route.

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*There seems to be NO blood in Rei’s room whatsoever. Not on the boy, not on the bed, not on the carpet. This makes clear, then, Rei was definitively the first victim imo.

True about Rei, and yet I noticed an image with a blurred stain on his bed, why? What was that?

Also, the police just recently confirmed the front door was locked. Did the assassin take the keys if he went out of the door?

I'm even more confused now.

At this point, I'm even questioning if the police didn't share report of noises that the neighboring mother and sister might have heard.

Basically so many things are uncertain again.
I don't understand.

EDIT: Also, the accepted version presented here is that Mikio was attacked at the bottom of the stairs and did not fall from them. The blood splat on the back of the PC seems to be one of the proofs of this.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

True about Rei, and yet I noticed an image with a blurred stain on his bed, why? What was that?

Also, the police just recently confirmed the front door was locked. Did the assassin take the keys if he went out of the door?

I'm even more confused now.

At this point, I'm even questioning if the police didn't share report of noises that the neighboring mother and sister might have heard.

Basically so many things are uncertain again.
I don't understand.

EDIT: Also, the accepted version presented here is that Mikio was attacked at the bottom of the stairs and did not fall from them. The blood splat on the back of the PC seems to be one of the proofs of this.

You’re right, there does seem to be a stain there:

Let us ignore all the confusion for one minute, let us ignore everything that is thrown into doubt by these images contradicting not just the TMPD stance for 24 years but also the recent updates of just a few days ago — my first question is this. What the hell is the thinking behind holding on to these images all this time only to release them now? It’s not an attack, I just genuinely am bemused.

 

[Eliver]

You’re right, there does seem to be a
stain there:

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Let us ignore all the confusion for one minute, let us ignore everything that is thrown into doubt by these images contradicting not just the TMPD stance for 24 years but also the recent updates of just a few days ago — my first question is this. What the hell is the thinking behind holding on to these images all this time only to release them now? It’s not an attack, I just genuinely am bemused.

It's the same thing I've always asked myself in regards to the Nagoya case (also mentioned in the documentary): the portrait of the suspect was un-blurred only recently.

What is the point of this if you blur it? Who is gonna remember a face after 20+ years?

This seems to be the same pattern of the Nagoya sketch.

I'm as baffled as you.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

It's the same thing I've always asked myself in regards to the Nagoya case (also mentioned in the documentary): the portrait of the suspect was un-blurred only recently.

What is the point of this of making a sketch if you blur it? Who is gonna remember a face after 20+ years?

This seems to be the same pattern of the Nagoya sketch.

I'm as baffled as you.

And, as I understand it, the 'suspect' mentioned in this documentary is an old lady who dealt with some foreign youths who'd get cough syrup from her pharmacy. If that's the extent of it, then that's worth precisely sweet zero.

 

[Eliver]

And, as I understand it, the 'suspect' mentioned in this documentary is an old lady who dealt with some foreign youths who'd get cough syrup from her pharmacy. If that's the extent of it, then that's worth precisely sweet zero.

Yes, exactly, the old lady provides basically nothing to the overall narration.
Two random youths in a pharmacy asking for medicine with a slightly intimidating glare and difficulties speaking Japanese.

 

[Incoherent]

I am out of Japan currently and returning today and haven’t had a chance to see it yet, but will once I’m back and have settled again.

It’s seeming that it’s posing a lot of contradictions from the comments here so far.

Just re: the blood stain on Rei’s bed. It seems to me, though he was strangled, his face was also pushed down into his futon hard to stop him screaming and breathing. Hence the pooling of blood where his nose would have been pressed into it.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

Just re: the blood stain on Rei’s bed. It seems to me, though he was strangled, his face was also pushed down into his futon hard to stop him screaming and breathing. Hence the pooling of blood where his nose would have been pressed into it.

RSBM: I wondered about this blood pool. What you say makes the most sense. Certainly, stabbing or manual beating would likely mean blood flecks and it seems to be concentrated into one pool.

Safe journey, Incoherent.

 

[Incoherent]

@FacelessPodcast thank you mate, looking forward to picking apart this documentary soon. For my own peace of mind too at this rate.

 

[BatataPoha]

Re case updates-

1) Rei being the last to killed seems unlikely. There would be copious amount of the killer’s blood from his hands/ material from the sanitary pads if he had patched himself up by then.

2) Entry point -

Rei’s balcony always seemed a bit too unlikely for me, as it would require guesswork/ luck to find it unlocked. The killer doesn’t seem to be the type to go through all the shenanigans only to have to depend on luck.

The front door doesn’t make much sense, which leaves the bathroom window.

Its a very difficult jump, and furthermore its more difficult to just leave behind fibres while entering it. There is a muddy footprint below the window. I would assume some mud should also exist on the route. More evidence might be present which hasn’t been revealed yet.

3) Exit route -

If the entry via the bathroom was difficult, the exit is even more harder, especially with one or more likely two injured hands. How you pull that off without more blood, sanitary pad flecks, footprints etc seems unclear.

I don’t completely buy the fact that you would make an exit out of the bathroom window in that state unless absolutely crucial/ necessary.

4) Getaway parked near bathroom window -

Interesting idea. I don’t know if the distances involved between exiting via the front door vs the bathroom window is large enough to prioritise the latter.

My simple assumption is the killer didn’t wanna enter or exit via the front, and was wary of being seen. I think there were houses on the other side, and he didn’t want to have someone from that side catch a glimpse of him.

Thats why he also kept a lookout of Rei’s window.

5) Phone line.

I think you need to disconnect the phone line to connect to the internet, and maybe thats why it was found it that manner. I think it’s unlikely the killer wanted to delay the discovery of the murders. We have seen no evidence to support that notion.

6) Money taken -

The money taken was insignificant. But I do wonder if it was payment of some kind. Maybe for some service the killer had already done for the family. I don’t know about Japanese payment schedules, but you usually get paid at month end, or early next month, so I do wonder if that was his “salary” or something.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am out of Japan currently and returning today and haven’t had a chance to see it yet, but will once I’m back and have settled again.

It’s seeming that it’s posing a lot of contradictions from the comments here so far.

Just re: the blood stain on Rei’s bed. It seems to me, though he was strangled, his face was also pushed down into his futon hard to stop him screaming and breathing. Hence the pooling of blood where his nose would have been pressed into it.

Are we all sure it's blood in Rei's bed? Is it possible if scared during the attack he wet himself or defecated during or after? Ugh I hate typing this, I'm a mom and that image makes me so sad

 

[Eliver]

Are we all sure it's blood in Rei's bed? Is it possible if scared during the attack he wet himself or defecated during or after? Ugh I hate typing this, I'm a mom and that image makes me so sad

The stain seems to be where his face was

 

[Incoherent]

Are we all sure it's blood in Rei's bed? Is it possible if scared during the attack he wet himself or defecated during or after? Ugh I hate typing this, I'm a mom and that image makes me so sad

Rei was found laying half off of his bed and the pooling of blood is where his face was laying, so yes sadly it will have been his blood. There are previous posts that show a police sketch of his dead body in the threads if you want to find it, but it’s not very easy to look at.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Thanks for clarifying. I remember seeing the position of his body in an image upthread somewhere I think... I guess I didn't realize blood would be involved with strangulation, especially that amount.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

24 years. Mikio, Yasuko, Niina, Rei — rest in peace. ご冥福をお祈りします