Japan - Miyazawa family of 4 murdered, Setagaya, Tokyo, 30 Dec 2000 #4

  • #721
“Highlighter ink, car coolant and anti-freeze often have very similair ingredients…”

Well darn, I will never lick my dried out highlighter again.
 
  • #722
I'm recalling my own theory regarding the perpetrator being someone who works with vehicles (lol). It makes no sense that (as far as the TMPD has said) there was no oil or other car liquid found in the bag. If by my theory; the rhodamine got into the bag through tools that were used on a car, there would 100% be a lot of dirty oil and other substances all over and in that bag.

The A/C repair angle should still be plausible since it's a more sanitary job. But it's a theory waiting to be popped by additional information and knowledge.
 
  • #723
I don't think the rhodamine being found in his bag and the Miyazawa's garage tells us that he has been in their garage. I think it very much makes sense that car coolant and/or antifreeze was being stored in the garage probably by Mikio. Garages are one of few places you can almost expect to find rhodamine since changing car coolant or anti-freeze in the car is something people can do at home by themselves.

Highlighter ink, car coolant and anti-freeze often have very similair ingredients. They swith around the percentages and have different additives but its all glycol, water, dye (rhodamine for pink/red).
I see. Well, much appreciated for clearing it up for me. Honestly I didn't know about the Highlighter ink, car coolant & anti-freeze often having similar ingredients. You really do learn something new everyday huh?
 
  • #724
The ‘24 documentary covers this, and there are even images of officers with no gloves on leaning against the stairwell wall that has blood on it writing on a notepad.
It really makes you think about how competent the TMPD (Japanese police in general) were around that time since quite a few unsolved violent crimes happened within a couple years before or after the Miyazawa family murders. The few unsolved (some solved recently) cases that I recall to mind are the Namiko Takaba case, Hachioji Nanpei Owada triple murders & the Junko Kobayashi murder etc.
 
  • #725
Perhaps it's a bit redundant of me bring up a topic that might've been covered in previous threads or indeed this thread but I'll do it anyway. How sure are we about how long the perpetrator stayed in the house after murdering the family? I'm aware that the only certain timestamps we have to rely on are the 1:18am to 1:23am the 5mins he spent messing around on the computer on the first floor. However, there's really no certainty on how long after these timestamps he was in the house or indeed what time he fled from the Miyazawa property.

Of course, anyone remotely familiar with this case will point out the theory that the perp might've have left as late as 10am in the morning based on the police report that the computer came back on around that time. However, as we all know Obregon has said that the TMPD mentioned that it was likely the Grandmother Haruko who might've moved the mouse on the desk, after fainting (or collapsing) from shock upon seeing Mikio's body.

I'm a lil skeptical about this though because how does it match chronologically from the time the computer turns back on and the time when Haruko found the bodies? Perhaps @Incoherent can help me out here because I've heard that An Irie in her book or somewhere else mentioned that Haruko came in to the Miyazawa house between 10:30-10:40am but the computer was reported to have turned back on before that.
 
  • #726
Perhaps it's a bit redundant of me bring up a topic that might've been covered in previous threads or indeed this thread but I'll do it anyway. How sure are we about how long the perpetrator stayed in the house after murdering the family? I'm aware that the only certain timestamps we have to rely on are the 1:18am to 1:23am the 5mins he spent messing around on the computer on the first floor. However, there's really no certainty on how long after these timestamps he was in the house or indeed what time he fled from the Miyazawa property.

Of course, anyone remotely familiar with this case will point out the theory that the perp might've have left as late as 10am in the morning based on the police report that the computer came back on around that time. However, as we all know Obregon has said that the TMPD mentioned that it was likely the Grandmother Haruko who might've moved the mouse on the desk, after fainting (or collapsing) from shock upon seeing Mikio's body.

I'm a lil skeptical about this though because how does it match chronologically from the time the computer turns back on and the time when Haruko found the bodies? Perhaps @Incoherent can help me out here because I've heard that An Irie in her book or somewhere else mentioned that Haruko came in to the Miyazawa house between 10:30-10:40am but the computer was reported to have turned back on before that.
There is no exact time when the PC went back on around 10.
As far as I know the PC turning back on and Haruko entering the house is around the same time and the police has never followed up on this. I'm guessing because it was not important/relevant after all and it was her indeed that turned it back on (also no information about any activity on the PC but simply that "went back on", meaning most probably it was the mouse that was touched/moved accidentally and prompted the PC to go from idle to active).

As previously discussed in the threads, we have no exact time of when the perpetrator left and ultimately it's all a matter of speculation. It could have been shortly after 1:18 - 1:23 (as you said, the only certain time we know he was there because of the PC activity) or hours later.

My personal opinion is that he left sometime during the night (let's say 2:00 - 3:00 as a general time) but not at 10 in the morning. It wouldn't make sense that he left at that time since more people might have seen him.
 
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Perhaps it's a bit redundant of me bring up a topic that might've been covered in previous threads or indeed this thread but I'll do it anyway. How sure are we about how long the perpetrator stayed in the house after murdering the family? I'm aware that the only certain timestamps we have to rely on are the 1:18am to 1:23am the 5mins he spent messing around on the computer on the first floor. However, there's really no certainty on how long after these timestamps he was in the house or indeed what time he fled from the Miyazawa property.

Of course, anyone remotely familiar with this case will point out the theory that the perp might've have left as late as 10am in the morning based on the police report that the computer came back on around that time. However, as we all know Obregon has said that the TMPD mentioned that it was likely the Grandmother Haruko who might've moved the mouse on the desk, after fainting (or collapsing) from shock upon seeing Mikio's body.

I'm a lil skeptical about this though because how does it match chronologically from the time the computer turns back on and the time when Haruko found the bodies? Perhaps @Incoherent can help me out here because I've heard that An Irie in her book or somewhere else mentioned that Haruko came in to the Miyazawa house between 10:30-10:40am but the computer was reported to have turned back on before that.
An says in her book the time had passed 10:30am by the time Haruko went over to the house, and that she was there for around 5 minutes but not more than 10. The computer access that morning has only been reported as “around 10am” with no definitive time mentioned, unlike the earlier access at 1:18am. This is because the mouse was manipulated during the earlier time and things were clicked on and opened for the duration of use, but in the morning the mouse was not used so it was determined that the mouse falling was the cause of the computer waking up as it was also found hanging down from the desk. The TMPD conducted experiments with the same computer to see if this could be the case and the results were that it was. Haruko, An, and her husband had all been in the house that morning.

Re: his escape time, no one knows. But I want to thank you for your comment because it made me look back at a few pages in her book and found a small missed detail.
An and her son had gone to bed at 11pm that night. An and her husband on the second floor, Haruko on the second floor, the son on the 3rd floor. Her husband was falling asleep around 9pm already due to jet lag from returning to Japan the week prior.
Haruko was watching TV in her room and had a habit falling asleep with it left on. So much so that An and her husband had a habit of wearing earplugs to sleep. An says that night she did wear earplugs, but that they were not very tight. She says she was still able to hear the wind blowing occasionally and was strangely not able to fall asleep until after 1am, even though she was very tired.

So, to go back to his escape time, An confirms she was still awake around the time he was using the computer. If he escaped shortly after I wonder if she would have been able to hear it with her earplugs in? She mentions she could hear the wind after all.
To me it seems likely he left a while after but not after sunrise due to the risk of being seen by early risers in the neighbourhood. Perhaps the 2-3am mark? JMO.

This makes me realise I should read through her book again more carefully in case there are any more missed details.
 
  • #728
It really makes you think about how competent the TMPD (Japanese police in general) were around that time since quite a few unsolved violent crimes happened within a couple years before or after the Miyazawa family murders. The few unsolved (some solved recently) cases that I recall to mind are the Namiko Takaba case, Hachioji Nanpei Owada triple murders & the Junko Kobayashi murder etc.
I haven't heard of the Junko Kobayashi murder before. There's a thread here on WS for it but it's not active, very little posts:

I'm assuming no one here thinks any connection of Junko and the Miyazawas? I know they're 4 years apart and looks like locations are about 43 minutes apart according to Google. Both likely both have train stations and strange knife choice for both crimes but likely not too many similarities.

Unless a killer escalated but Junko's sounds like it's possibly personal with the timing of her leaving in 2 days. Very sad to hear these unsolved crimes!
 

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