Jason Young to get new trial #2

[otto]

BBM. There is sworn testimony that what concerned first responders was the fact that there was no visible blood on CY even though she was supposedly alone for hours with her mother's bloody corpse. I have no need to question the credibility of the witnesses who actually did see CY and spoke to Meredith Fisher who also noted there was no blood on CY.

Wake County sheriff's deputy Scott Earp – one of two officers first to arrive at the Young house – testified that he was caught off guard when Fisher told him she had not cleaned the girl.

"I think I expected a ‘yes’ out of it," he said Wednesday. "I thought that was kind of odd."

Fisher testified that she found her niece barefoot and wearing pink fleece pajamas – without a diaper or underwear – and that she did not appear to have any blood on her.


Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10702549/#8biPtrzLaubSPt06.99

If the pajamas appeared clean, but an analysis indicated that they had been soaked with blood, then the only possibility is that they were washed before she was found, but who would do that and why?

 

[MyBelle]

You know, Otto, you make a great point!!. But, why wasn't CY taken to an emergency room to be checked out? Then there would have been medical records to refer to, and they could have taken any samples they needed, etc They could tell if she had any drugs in her system, and, given her what she needed.
And, did it ever occur to anyone she may have been hurt in some other way?. She was just found at a horrific crime scene. I know the responders checked her out, but wouldn't it have been better to have taken her to a hospital??

Why? If she wasn't acting as though she had been drugged and was "shockingly clean" what would be the point of transporting her to a hospital? Why would it occur to anyone that she may have been hurt when there was no evidence of it?

 

[MyBelle]

If the pajamas appeared clean, but an analysis indicated that they had been soaked with blood, then the only possibility is that they were washed before she was found, but who would do that and why?

The only person who can answer your question is the person who cleaned her up and spent hours with her. They were in their own little world of warped fantasy and delusions. A very sick mind.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

Why? If she wasn't acting as though she had been drugged and was "shockingly clean" what would be the point of transporting her to a hospital? Why would it occur to anyone that she may have been hurt when there was no evidence of it?

There could have been other injuries that were just not visible, even with someone trained to look for them on the surface. CY needed a complete examination with records to show the condition she was found in, if she had blood or no blood on her, pj's blood or no blood, etc.
JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think anyone would make it to a Trial 4!! But, seriously, one of the biggest problems I have with the 911 call, before and now, is IF CY clearly said anything to implicate Jason, I would have a hard time thinking that some type of child agency would not be called to step in to have an emergency hearing. If LE heard those words and just gave CY back to JY, then they were playing a deadly game with CY's life. Many times they gave public statements that they felt CY had witnessed MY's murder, putting CY in danger, imo. They even called her The Silent Witness,something I just heard about, that was featured on Dateline.
So, out of all the reasons I question the 911 call and its contents, would be the decision to hand CY back to JY without, what would seem, caring about her safety.
Whether they thought Jason would harm her not, they would be turning the child over to a murderer.

JF, cops didn't give CY back to Jason, she left the crime scene with Meredith Fisher.

 

[MyBelle]

There could have been other injuries that were just not visible, even with someone trained to look for them on the surface. CY needed a complete examination with records to show the condition she was found in, if she had blood or no blood on her, pj's blood or no blood, etc.
JMO

Coulda, woulda shoulda is always in these cases. I think cops were immediately focused on Jason and thought there would be a quick arrest when he returned to Raleigh. I doubt they expected to find a hotel receipt and USA Today in his vehicle.

JMO

 

[sunshine05]

I had a chance to review some of the testimony regarding the pajamas CY was found in.

Day 6, part 7: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10725048/
beginning @ 9:00, the evidence is discussed - CY's t-shirt, pants and fleece shirt -- all clothing she was wearing that day.

1) The t-shirt had NO visible blood whatsoever. Agent Holley tested it for chemical presence of blood and it was negative.

2) The fleece shirt - no visible blood --- Agent Holley tested it for chemical presence of blood and it was positive.

3) The pajama pants - It is interesting to me that the blood was found on the bottom of the left and right pant legs and on the seat of the pants. To me, this indicates that she was wearing these when she was standing next to the body and certainly when the prints were made in the bathroom. It sounds like the blood was visible but very light --- this indicates that they were possibly washed. I can't imagine how she was able to avoid getting even a trace of blood on her shirt as it was all over her hands. Maybe the shirt was washed too and no stains remained.

4) Two socks were found. One was bloody; one was not.

Agent Holley @ 41:00
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10735811/

Images of pajamas

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Regarding prints in the hallway --- Day 6, part 1 --- @ 39:00, there is discussion of some small prints on the carpeting leading into the bathroom. There is no discussion or video footage of a trail of prints from the body to that area right outside the bathroom. It is very difficult to see these due to the lighting.http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10723727/

I heard several times at trial that there is NO trail of CY's footprints and that is what is puzzling when considering the child wandering around alone.

As well, there is absolutely no blood in her bedroom. They used a crime scene imager to identify blood in the room. None. If she's running around loose for 10 hours, she wouldn't have gone into her room at all?

 

[Grammy Jean]

I don't think anyone would make it to a Trial 4!! But, seriously, one of the biggest problems I have with the 911 call, before and now, is IF CY clearly said anything to implicate Jason, I would have a hard time thinking that some type of child agency would not be called to step in to have an emergency hearing. If LE heard those words and just gave CY back to JY, then they were playing a deadly game with CY's life. Many times they gave public statements that they felt CY had witnessed MY's murder, putting CY in danger, imo. They even called her The Silent Witness,something I just heard about, that was featured on Dateline.
So, out of all the reasons I question the 911 call and its contents, would be the decision to hand CY back to JY without, what would seem, caring about her safety.
Whether they thought Jason would harm her not, they would be turning the child over to a murderer.[/QUOTE

I know and it happens all too often and then we have a Josh Powell and what he did with his children. In many ways the system is broken. Tragic.

 

[MyBelle]

I had a chance to review some of the testimony regarding the pajamas CY was found in.

Day 6, part 7: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10725048/
beginning @ 9:00, the evidence is discussed - CY's t-shirt, pants and fleece shirt -- all clothing she was wearing that day.

1) The t-shirt and fleece shirt had NO visible blood whatsoever so therefore were not chemically tested for the presence of blood.

2) The pajama pants - It is interesting to me that the blood was found on the bottom of the left and right pant legs and on the seat of the pants. To me, this indicates that she was wearing these when she was standing next to the body and certainly when the prints were made in the bathroom. It sounds like the blood was visible but very light --- this indicates that they were possibly washed. I can't imagine how she was able to avoid getting even a trace of blood on her shirt as it was all over her hands. Maybe the shirt was washed too and no stains remained.

3) Two socks were found. One was bloody; one was not.

Images of pajamas

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Regarding prints in the hallway --- Day 6, part 1 --- @ 39:00, there is discussion of some small prints on the carpeting leading into the bathroom. There is no discussion or video footage of a trail of prints from the body to that area right outside the bathroom. It is very difficult to see these due to the lighting.http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10723727/

I heard several times at trial that there is NO trail of CY's footprints and that is what is puzzling when considering the child wandering around alone.

As well, there is absolutely no blood in her bedroom. They used a crime scene imager to identify blood in the room. None. If she's running around loose for 10 hours, she wouldn't have gone into her room at all?

Sunshine, if you get a chance, review Agent Holley's testimony from day 8.

The t-shirt was exhibit #142 and he said it tested negative for blood but the pants (#143) and fleece top (#144) both had a chemical indication for blood and were also tested for DNA.

ETA: Look at about 40 min. into it.

 

[sunshine05]

Sunshine, if you get a chance, review Agent Holley's testimony from day 8.

The t-shirt was exhibit #142 and he said it tested negative for blood but the pants (#143) and fleece top (#144) both had a chemical indication for blood and were also tested for DNA.

Thank you, I will. I guess Galloway was unaware of the blood testing on the shirt. It looks totally clean so it is interesting that it was positive for blood. It had to have been washed. I will find the exact testimony and edit my post to include that.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I had a chance to review some of the testimony regarding the pajamas CY was found in.

Day 6, part 7: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10725048/
beginning @ 9:00, the evidence is discussed - CY's t-shirt, pants and fleece shirt -- all clothing she was wearing that day.

1) The t-shirt and fleece shirt had NO visible blood whatsoever so therefore were not chemically tested for the presence of blood.

2) The pajama pants - It is interesting to me that the blood was found on the bottom of the left and right pant legs and on the seat of the pants. To me, this indicates that she was wearing these when she was standing next to the body and certainly when the prints were made in the bathroom. It sounds like the blood was visible but very light --- this indicates that they were possibly washed. I can't imagine how she was able to avoid getting even a trace of blood on her shirt as it was all over her hands. Maybe the shirt was washed too and no stains remained.

3) Two socks were found. One was bloody; one was not.

Images of pajamas

________________________________________________________

Regarding prints in the hallway --- Day 6, part 1 --- @ 39:00, there is discussion of some small prints on the carpeting leading into the bathroom. There is no discussion or video footage of a trail of prints from the body to that area right outside the bathroom. It is very difficult to see these due to the lighting.http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10723727/

I heard several times at trial that there is NO trail of CY's footprints and that is what is puzzling when considering the child wandering around alone.

As well, there is absolutely no blood in her bedroom. They used a crime scene imager to identify blood in the room. None. If she's running around loose for 10 hours, she wouldn't have gone into her room at all?

I still believe it possible she had identical pink pj's and JY carried her into bathroom and cleaned her and put on another pair of pink pj's. Even though cleaned she most likely had trace blood on her that when chemically tested showed those trace amounts.
Also kids that age easily sleep 10- 12 hours a night. So again I am of the belief that JY did give her a dropper full of the extra strength Tylenol blast.
( JY even told hid mom that dropper would show his DNA, Even though it didn't for him to tell his mom that is evidence that he did at sometime give CY medicine using that dropper. ) So IMO CY was never wandering around for 10 hours. It could easily be she had only been awake a short time before MF arrived.

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you, I will. I guess Galloway was unaware of the blood testing on the shirt. It looks totally clean so it is interesting that it was positive for blood. It had to have been washed.

it starts at about the 40 min. mark. Holley also tested some pink blankets. I have no idea where those were collected.

 

[SStarr33]

But, that remains unclear and not to keep debating this with you, but what you and I hear or don't hear isn't what counts....It is what is presented in court, it is what is in the written transcript.......and it is what is entered in as evidence.
Jurors are not allowed to do anything more with the 911 call than that.
I wish the call was clearer, I wish I could find the actual court's 911 call transcript.

It should be on the clerk's website, right? Or somewhere here with the rest of the State's evidence. It should all be public record.

 

[SStarr33]

Didn't CY say that her mommy bit her attacker? Did they examine JY for bite marks?

 

[sunshine05]

I still believe it possible she had identical pink pj's and JY carried her into bathroom and cleaned her and put on another pair of pink pj's. Even though cleaned she most likely had trace blood on her that when chemically tested showed those trace amounts.
Also kids that age easily sleep 10- 12 hours a night. So again I am of the belief that JY did give her a dropper full of the extra strength Tylenol blast.
( JY even told hid mom that dropper would show his DNA, Even though it didn't for him to tell his mom that is evidence that he did at sometime give CY medicine using that dropper. ) So IMO CY was never wandering around for 10 hours. It could easily be she had only been awake a short time before MF arrived.

Respectfully, this falls into the "could have" category. Anyone "could have" identical outfits in their wardrobe, but sticking with the facts as we know them, Shelly Schaad confirmed that CY was wearing that clothing that night. Everything was pink - t-shirt, pajamas and shirt. IF we want to consider that someone removed them and disposed of them, would they intentionally choose the same color undershirt too?

The way the blood was found at the cuffs of the legs indicates that she was stepping in the blood. This certainly seems as though they were washed as it would have been bright red and noticeable.

Re: She may not have wandered around --- we are still left with no explanation of how she got from the body to the bathroom when there is no trail of footprints yet the bathroom prints are very strong. That can't be ignored. It indicates strongly that she was indeed carried.

 

[Grammy Jean]

Didn't CY say that her mommy bit her attacker? Did they examine JY for bite marks?

What I remember was CY saying Mommy got a spanking for bitng.

 

[sunshine05]

Didn't CY say that her mommy bit her attacker? Did they examine JY for bite marks?

No, you are thinking of the daycare doll play in which she allegedly said something about "Mommy biting..." We don't know what that play was really about as she also talked about farm animals.

 

[JusticeFever]

JF, cops didn't give CY back to Jason, she left the crime scene with Meredith Fisher.

True, and also at the time they did not hear the phone call. I am just saying if those words were there, and LE heard them, why wouldn't someone do something?

 

[sunshine05]

I still believe it possible she had identical pink pj's and JY carried her into bathroom and cleaned her and put on another pair of pink pj's. Even though cleaned she most likely had trace blood on her that when chemically tested showed those trace amounts.

There's no blood residue on or in the sink or drains. Phenylpthaleine can readily pick up even trace amounts of blood. There is no indication that anyone cleaned blood off themselves in that bathroom. Bathtub was checked too.

 

[JusticeFever]

I had a chance to review some of the testimony regarding the pajamas CY was found in.

Day 6, part 7: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10725048/
beginning @ 9:00, the evidence is discussed - CY's t-shirt, pants and fleece shirt -- all clothing she was wearing that day.

1) The t-shirt had NO visible blood whatsoever. Agent Holley tested it for chemical presence of blood and it was negative.

2) The fleece shirt - no visible blood --- Agent Holley tested it for chemical presence of blood and it was positive.

3) The pajama pants - It is interesting to me that the blood was found on the bottom of the left and right pant legs and on the seat of the pants. To me, this indicates that she was wearing these when she was standing next to the body and certainly when the prints were made in the bathroom. It sounds like the blood was visible but very light --- this indicates that they were possibly washed. I can't imagine how she was able to avoid getting even a trace of blood on her shirt as it was all over her hands. Maybe the shirt was washed too and no stains remained.

4) Two socks were found. One was bloody; one was not.



________________________________________________________

Regarding prints in the hallway --- Day 6, part 1 --- @ 39:00, there is discussion of some small prints on the carpeting leading into the bathroom. There is no discussion or video footage of a trail of prints from the body to that area right outside the bathroom. It is very difficult to see these due to the lighting.http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10723727/

I heard several times at trial that there is NO trail of CY's footprints and that is what is puzzling when considering the child wandering around alone.

As well, there is absolutely no blood in her bedroom. They used a crime scene imager to identify blood in the room. None. If she's running around loose for 10 hours, she wouldn't have gone into her room at all?

<respectfully snipped>

Whoa, one sock had blood and one shoe had blood??