Jason Young to get new trial #2

[sunshine05]

CY's car seat was in Michelle's car and would have been the easiest and most likely to transport her in.
Also, this is a theory that LE and the state themselves had. First, you have to add up all the hours the child was supposedly alone, and account for all them, what did she do? Do you know that 2 of CY's shoes were found in Michelle and Jason's bed right next to her? 2 different shoes? It came in @ Trial 2 testimony.. I will post that photo for you. Then there are the car sightings from 2 people that match Michelle's car. People were seen leaving the driveway at 5:30 am.The blood print on the door leading to the garage was probably made from a towel or clothing so as not to get fingerprints, this was the last thing done and I believe it was done after CY was brought back. Why would CY have her shoes in the bed, even if they didn't match , if she hadn't gone out somewhere? There are no shoe prints of CY in any blood. She came back, was put in bed and there are the shoes she had on until she or someone else took them off.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

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I don't even think she had to be placed in the bed. MF was probably not anywhere near that room when she phoned 911. She could have been anywhere in the house.

 

[sunshine05]

On what basis do you come to that conclusion.

I think there are plenty of reasonable explanations for how CY was in the state she was in when she was found that do not include her being removed from the home. It simply doesn't make sense for someone to remove her only to put her back. First, wouldn't they be concerned that the body would have been found by the time they took her back. Second, wouldn't the perpetrator(s) worry about CY describing what happened to her?

I simply don't see a reasonable scenario where CY gets removed from the home then returned to the home.

The reason some believe she was taken from the house - her pajamas seemed to have been laundered, there was no clean-up blood in the drains, her t-shirt got separated from her clothing. Guess who had it? MF and it was also laundered even though police clearly wanted the clothing she had worn that night.

 

[oenophile]

First, you have to add up all the hours the child was supposedly alone, and account for all them, what did she do? Do you know that 2 of CY's shoes were found in Michelle and Jason's bed right next to her? 2 different shoes?

She was a two year old. She probably did what two year olds do. Woke up. Cried for mom. Settled down. Went to look for mom. Found mom asleep (I doubt a two year old could understand death) with boo boos. Wandered around. Played. Tried to wake up mom. Occupied herself some more. Was being a good girl and brought shoes to her mom's bed because she was ready to get dressed. Etc. etc.

I don't really think it is possible to account for every action that CY took that morning, and trying to piece it together via the evidence still leaves with millions of possibilities.

 

[otto]

I'm well aware of that. The call to run to the house in the middle of the day was unusual. It was a fluke.

It was a "fluke" that Meredith happened to discover Michelle's body, but it wasn't a "fluke" that Jason asked Meredith to do something for him.

 

[otto]

What was the hurry to get his SIL there when the bidding was over? There is only one reason. Who is to say he was worried about his daughter? He had no problem leaving her with her dead mother. He had no problem closing her up in the bathroom while he finished his deed. He had no intention of coming home. He would have to face the police and his SIL ON HIS OWN. His trip to Brevard was unplanned until that very morning, was it not? Did they not have weekend guests coming for his beloved college football game that night?
Sorry, I am unconvinced otherwise. JMO.

I seem to recall that there was always a plan for Jason to go to Brevard to pick up a dresser for the baby. Didn't his decision about whether to pick it up that weekend hinge on whether Michelle's father was visiting that weekend?

 

[SteelerGirl43]

So how does one explain a clean CY?? I mean really we all know 2 yr olds get into everything..... 9 hrs or so alone and no blood on her.... Nah!! Something aint right..... Not only her being clean bothers me but why wasn't she screaming & crying because of being hungry.....

 

[otto]

Unless the child's feet were tested for blood, we don't know whether it was there. It seems to me that if there was blood on the bottom of her feet and she walked all over the carpet, it could have worn off and become invisible. Were her shoes tested for blood? Were the sheets tested?

 

[JusticeFever]

Wasn't there a search warrant or list of inventory items at one time listing a flip flop shoe for CY?

 

[JusticeFever]

She was a two year old. She probably did what two year olds do. Woke up. Cried for mom. Settled down. Went to look for mom. Found mom asleep (I doubt a two year old could understand death) with boo boos. Wandered around. Played. Tried to wake up mom. Occupied herself some more. Was being a good girl and brought shoes to her mom's bed because she was ready to get dressed. Etc. etc.

I don't really think it is possible to account for every action that CY took that morning, and trying to piece it together via the evidence still leaves with millions of possibilities.

It is just a theory and I have posted the search warrant with LE's reason for thinking that CY was taken from the home. The condition of CY also caught the attention of the first responding officer and he wrote it in his report. I believe that the last people to leave the Young home were the people that Cindy Beaver saw, and also Mrs. Fay Hinsley.

 

[oenophile]

So how does one explain a clean CY?? I mean really we all know 2 yr olds get into everything..... 9 hrs or so alone and no blood on her.... Nah!! Something aint right..... Not only her being clean bothers me but why wasn't she screaming & crying because of being hungry.....

2 year olds think differently than adults, and a 2 year old was probably happy to see MF when she arrived, since mom wouldn't wake up. We know from studies that children crave attention first then sustenance. I wouldn't doubt that at some point during those 9 hours that she would have cried for food, but not crying for food when she saw MF isn't really indicative of anything.

As far as being clean, was there any evidence presented that she was actually cleaned in any way prior to being found? As someone else said, the blood could have come off by running around for several hours.

 

[oenophile]

It is just a theory and I have posted the search warrant with LE's reason for thinking that CY was taken from the home.

LE has been remarkably wrong about so many things, what makes this any different?

 

[citygirl]

The bidding has no significance. He wasn't concerned at all with bidding. He printed out examples to consider and to have MF look them over before making a purchase.
YOU are saying he was worried about her and that is why he had MF go to the house, correct?
No evidence he was there that night or placed CY in the bathroom.
But why plan the trip to Brevard if he knew he'd have to get home to his unattended daughter? What was the purpose of working that into the plan at all? IF he did the killing, he wouldn't plan an overnight visit with his family and risk CY being left alone another entire night. IF he's guilty, there must be an explanation for this and I can't think of one.

How do you know he wasn't concerned with the bidding? Are you trying to tell me that a man who spent his anniversary with his girl friend was then trying to pick out the perfect purse for his beloved wife? You don't find it odd that he spent days consulting with numerous people about a belated gift when didn't eve have the courtesy to be home that day? I never meant to infer that he called MF to rescue CY. That has always been the general consensus. He murdered her mother while she was in the house. Why would he suddenly care about her well being? He did not want to come home until all was said and done. He is a coward, IMO, plain and simple.

 

[citygirl]

It was a "fluke" that Meredith happened to discover Michelle's body, but it wasn't a "fluke" that Jason asked Meredith to do something for him.

Not so. It was a fluke that she would be beckoned by JY to go to the house especially on a day she believed MY would be working.

 

[JusticeFever]

LE has been remarkably wrong about so many things, what makes this any different?

Yes, true. They also thought CY had been drugged.

 

[sunshine05]

2 year olds think differently than adults, and a 2 year old was probably happy to see MF when she arrived, since mom wouldn't wake up. We know from studies that children crave attention first then sustenance. I wouldn't doubt that at some point during those 9 hours that she would have cried for food, but not crying for food when she saw MF isn't really indicative of anything.

As far as being clean, was there any evidence presented that she was actually cleaned in any way prior to being found? As someone else said, the blood could have come off by running around for several hours.

You know that dried blood doesn't wear off. It would have had to have been washed off of her hands and feet. No presence of blood found in the drains though.

 

[otto]

Not so. It was a fluke that she would be beckoned by JY to go to the house especially on a day she believed MY would be working.

Meredith said that it was a "fluke" that she was there that day, and that she didn't usually go to the house during the day. It was not unusual for Meredith to help the family when they needed help.

"“I just came here on a fluke, I usually don’t come here during the day,” she answered.

Fisher said Michelle was lying face down in her bedroom, and the home didn’t look like it normally did, telling police that there was blood in the bed. A search warrant of the home also said there was blood splatter on the walls and a lamp in the room."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...081090+"meredith+fisher"+fluke&gbv=2&&ct=clnk

 

[sunshine05]

How do you know he wasn't concerned with the bidding? Are you trying to tell me that a man who spent his anniversary with his girl friend was then trying to pick out the perfect purse for his beloved wife? You don't find it odd that he spent days consulting with numerous people about a belated gift when didn't eve have the courtesy to be home that day? I never meant to infer that he called MF to rescue CY. That has always been the general consensus. He murdered her mother while she was in the house. Why would he suddenly care about her well being? He did not want to come home until all was said and done. He is a coward, IMO, plain and simple.

Allegedly. Let's be clear on that.

Why do you propose he sent her to the house if not to care for CY? He just didn't want to be the one to "find" the body? Why would he care about that? He would have already seen her dead.

You say that he didn't care about CY. That is contrary to all testimony. Even Linda admitted that he was a great father to CY. So all of a sudden he is a cold, uncaring father?

Re: the purse - So you think he planned the purse story for weeks before the crime? Just so that he wouldn't have to "find" the body? He's planning a murder but thinking ....hmmm...I'm not going to want to be the one to discover MY dead so I'll just tell everyone that I'm wanting to buy a purse for her and then I'll leave paperwork at the house? His story about the leather anniversary makes a lot of sense to me and he was doing it more to please LF and MF IMO.

 

[sunshine05]

Meredith said that it was a "fluke" that she was there that day, and that she didn't usually go to the house during the day. It was not unusual for Meredith to help the family when they needed help.

"“I just came here on a fluke, I usually don’t come here during the day,” she answered.

Fisher said Michelle was lying face down in her bedroom, and the home didn’t look like it normally did, telling police that there was blood in the bed. A search warrant of the home also said there was blood splatter on the walls and a lamp in the room."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...081090+"meredith+fisher"+fluke&gbv=2&&ct=clnk

As well then she could have also said she was there on a "fluke" a week prior when she went there in the middle of the day to use the printer.

Again, note her extraneous information that is NOT helping the victim. The 911 caller cares that she's there on a "fluke"? Weird.

 

[Nymeria]

Allegedly. Let's be clear on that.

Why do you propose he sent her to the house if not to care for CY? He just didn't want to be the one to "find" the body? Why would he care about that? He would have already seen her dead.

You say that he didn't care about CY. That is contrary to all testimony. Even Linda admitted that he was a great father to CY. So all of a sudden he is a cold, uncaring father?

Re: the purse - So you think he planned the purse story for weeks before the crime? Just so that he wouldn't have to "find" the body? He's planning a murder but thinking ....hmmm...I'm not going to want to be the one to discover MY dead so I'll just tell everyone that I'm wanting to buy a purse for her and then I'll leave paperwork at the house? His story about the leather anniversary makes a lot of sense to me and he was doing it more to please LF and MF IMO.

*BBM*
If I killed someone I would not want to be the person who had to "find" them and call it in either. Better someone else do it, so my 911 call is not scrutinized to hell and back. Just MO.

 

[citygirl]

Allegedly. Let's be clear on that.

Why do you propose he sent her to the house if not to care for CY? He just didn't want to be the one to "find" the body? Why would he care about that? He would have already seen her dead.

You say that he didn't care about CY. That is contrary to all testimony. Even Linda admitted that he was a great father to CY. So all of a sudden he is a cold, uncaring father?

Re: the purse - So you think he planned the purse story for weeks before the crime? Just so that he wouldn't have to "find" the body? He's planning a murder but thinking ....hmmm...I'm not going to want to be the one to discover MY dead so I'll just tell everyone that I'm wanting to buy a purse for her and then I'll leave paperwork at the house? His story about the leather anniversary makes a lot of sense to me and he was doing it more to please LF and MF IMO.

No he became a cold, uncaring father when he brutally murdered her mother. The caring part came when he didn't eliminate his daughter. He had no beef with her. She wasn't getting in his way. He told his own sister she would be a great mother to CY. And, no, he didn't want to be the one to discover MY's body and call the police. Too close for comfort. He would have been forced to talk to LE.