Jason Young to get new trial #2

[sunshine05]

No he became a cold, uncaring father when he brutally murdered her mother. The caring part came when he didn't eliminate his daughter. He had no beef with her. She wasn't getting in his way. He told his own sister she would be a great mother to CY. And, no, he didn't want to be the one to discover MY's body and call the police. Too close for comfort. He would have been forced to talk to LE.

Okay, so you think he only contacted MF so that he wouldn't have to find the body and call police. Now that that's clear, do you think that if he hadn't reached MF, he was just going to carry on with his plans to spend the night in Brevard and then what? Go home on Friday and just hope that all was well with his child....because he wasn't concerned about making sure she was okay. He was only concerned about being the one to find the body. That doesn't seem like a very well thought out plan to me.

 

[citygirl]

Okay, so you think he only contacted MF so that he wouldn't have to find the body and call police. Now that that's clear, do you think that if he hadn't reached MF, he was just going to carry on with his plans to spend the night in Brevard and then what? Go home on Friday and just hope that all was well with his child....because he wasn't concerned about making sure she was okay. He was only concerned about being the one to find the body. That doesn't seem like a very well thought out plan to me.

He called MF way before she responded. She hadn't called back and he got Momma on it. She called too. Full court press to get her there. It doesn't seem like a well thought out plan to you? I have to agree. But I have never murdered anyone. Have you? Tough to get into the head of a murderer.

 

[MyBelle]

Unless the child's feet were tested for blood, we don't know whether it was there. It seems to me that if there was blood on the bottom of her feet and she walked all over the carpet, it could have worn off and become invisible. Were her shoes tested for blood? Were the sheets tested?

Sheets had visible blood. Blood was detected on the inside of one of CY's shoes. PJs tested positive, and I take that to mean they had been washed. See testimony of serologist Russell Holley:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/asset_gallery/10730959/

 

[MyBelle]

2 year olds think differently than adults, and a 2 year old was probably happy to see MF when she arrived, since mom wouldn't wake up. We know from studies that children crave attention first then sustenance. I wouldn't doubt that at some point during those 9 hours that she would have cried for food, but not crying for food when she saw MF isn't really indicative of anything.

As far as being clean, was there any evidence presented that she was actually cleaned in any way prior to being found? As someone else said, the blood could have come off by running around for several hours.

Blood is a sticky substance and it doesn't just "come off" and leave no trace. I believe it was reported that the crime lab brought in special equipment to try to detect blood on the carpet in the rest of the house because it is impossible for CY to be running all over the place yet not leaving blood all over the place. One of the first responders said in his testimony he found it odd when he asked MF if she had cleaned her up and MF said "No."

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

LE has been remarkably wrong about so many things, what makes this any different?

What we don't know is if the various LE investigating this case were all in agreement that the focus of the investigation should be Jason and only Jason. To me, the fact that someone decided to get a search warrant for Michelle's car seven months later in the belief CY was taken from the home is an indication all were NOT in agreement and still may not be in agreement.

The investigation was sloppy, the state crime lab under investigation, the ME failed to perform a rape kit and the husband did have an alibi out of town only disproved by a brain-damaged witness. All of that is a sign that instead of wasting more time trying to persuade the Supreme Court not to allow a new trial just maybe the prosecutor needs to re-open the investigation and not give it to the Wake County Sheriff's office.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

No he became a cold, uncaring father when he brutally murdered her mother. The caring part came when he didn't eliminate his daughter. He had no beef with her. She wasn't getting in his way. He told his own sister she would be a great mother to CY. And, no, he didn't want to be the one to discover MY's body and call the police. Too close for comfort. He would have been forced to talk to LE.

Nobody can be forced to speak with LE.

 

[MyBelle]

Okay, so you think he only contacted MF so that he wouldn't have to find the body and call police. Now that that's clear, do you think that if he hadn't reached MF, he was just going to carry on with his plans to spend the night in Brevard and then what? Go home on Friday and just hope that all was well with his child....because he wasn't concerned about making sure she was okay. He was only concerned about being the one to find the body. That doesn't seem like a very well thought out plan to me.

If JY truly was a premeditated murderer, all he needed to do to persuade Meredith to quickly go to the house would be to phone Michelle repeatedly over short period of time and not reach her and call daycare and learn CY wasn't there. After all, MY had previously miscarried and supposedly had an OB appt. that day. If he failed to reach MF, he could have phoned their friend, Shelly, who, iirc, is a nurse who was last seen with Michelle.

The idea that the purse print-out was some kind of premeditated ruse is pretty ridiculous.

JMO

 

[sunshine05]

He called MF way before she responded. She hadn't called back and he got Momma on it. She called too. Full court press to get her there. It doesn't seem like a well thought out plan to you? I have to agree. But I have never murdered anyone. Have you? Tough to get into the head of a murderer.

Actually, he called her at 12:14PM. She retrieved that message within a minute but she never called him back so he had no idea whether she'd received the message or not because his cell service was poor. That's why he called his mom.

What's odd is that he sent her there to retrieve the papers, yet she didn't call him until many hours later even after being at the house and finding Michelle. Why? She called her mom and Colleen. Did not call Jason until sometime after 5PM I believe. Wouldn't you have expected her to call him and say "Something is wrong. Get home now."

I think that it doesn't seem like a well thought plan because he is innocent. He was going about a normal day and decided to stop by his mom's house to pick up the piece of furniture.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Okay, so you think he only contacted MF so that he wouldn't have to find the body and call police. Now that that's clear, do you think that if he hadn't reached MF, he was just going to carry on wthe Slayerith his plans to spend the night in Brevard and then what? Go home on Friday and just hope that all was well with his child....because he wasn't concerned about making sure she was okay. He was only concerned about being the one to find the body. That doesn't seem like a very well thought out plan to me.

[modsnip] let's think about this for a minute. If you find a body aren't you going to be looked at more? Ya'll sure as hell are scrutinizing MF. Jason "the slayer" Young set MF up. He prints off the map and the purse print out but conveniently leaves one...hmmmm. He makes sure his is far away from Raleigh when she is found. He makes a last minute unplanned trip to Brevard the same weekend friends are coming in which was planned. He called MF and then had mommy call her. He was making damn sure MF went to the house. you all dismiss so much and think that what Jason says is good as gold. MF is a victim. She will never be a suspect. Get over blaming her. If you all are so concerned about setting an innocent man free this is the wrong case. Oh and since you all keep suggesting it was MY car that was seen by the so reliable CB it was said to be a soccer mom type car. A light colored one. One like JY drove. A white exployer. How can you dismiss this. Quit trying to make loop holes for everything about Jason yet point fingers and scrutinize everything MF has done and said. I'll admit that this case isn't cut and dry. This was not a perfect murder. But from the evidence that I have read and seen it only points to JY. Don't you think he did certain things to make himself look innocent? Oh and the best theory I have heard about it being MF is her motive was because her mom was moving to NC and she didn't want LF living with her. Really? So she's going to kill her sister. Half of these post the last few pages need to end with IMO. The comments are our opinions about what did or didn't happen and most sound like what you type is what happened. What's sad is some can't see that only JY benefited from her death. Two pieces of evidence when looking at them seperate might not make sense but when you look at them together and connect the dots an answer does start to form. Oh and since someone is gung ho about pointing out the links to the search warrants it's also in the search warrant that JY NEVER once asked the police that night what happened to his wife or his daughter.

 

[MyBelle]

Actually, he called her at 12:14PM. She retrieved that message within a minute but she never called him back so he had no idea whether she'd received the message or not because his cell service was poor. That's why he called his mom.

What's odd is that he sent her there to retrieve the papers, yet she didn't call him until many hours later even after being at the house and finding Michelle. Why? She called her mom and Colleen. Did not call Jason until sometime after 5PM I believe. Wouldn't you have expected her to call him and say "Something is wrong. Get home now."

I think that it doesn't seem like a well thought plan because he is innocent. He was going about a normal day and decided to stop by his mom's house to pick up the piece of furniture.

BBM. I'm shocked by this. Did Jason tell MF in his voice mail to her that he intended to go on to Brevard? Do you know?

 

[Landonsmom02]

I just think it is unfair to continuously blame Meredith Fisher when she is a victim and has never been named a POI or a suspect.

 

[JusticeFever]

Actually, he called her at 12:14PM. She retrieved that message within a minute but she never called him back so he had no idea whether she'd received the message or not because his cell service was poor. That's why he called his mom.

What's odd is that he sent her there to retrieve the papers, yet she didn't call him until many hours later even after being at the house and finding Michelle. Why? She called her mom and Colleen. Did not call Jason until sometime after 5PM I believe. Wouldn't you have expected her to call him and say "Something is wrong. Get home now."

I think that it doesn't seem like a well thought plan because he is innocent. He was going about a normal day and decided to stop by his mom's house to pick up the piece of furniture.

There were other ways Jason could have tried to have someone discover Michelle's body, he could have called a neighbor, a friend, or her work and just said I have been trying to reach Michelle at the house and there is no answer. If he killed Michelle, he knew how flimsy a purse print out would look to get Meredith over there. He didn't need any other excuse than to say "I can not get a hold of my wife and I am worried",

 

[Landonsmom02]

Nobody can be forced to speak with LE.

Exactly. So if he is innocent what would it hurt to come in with your lawyer and answer questions to help eliminate yourself and help the police focus on finding the real killer. Can't your lawyer advise you what to answer and not answer?

 

[JusticeFever]

BBM. I'm shocked by this. Did Jason tell MF in his voice mail to her that he intended to go on to Brevard? Do you know?

Yes, I am pretty sure she knew he was going to see his parents, but I am too tired to look it up.

OT/
Happy Memorial Day Weekend to everyone and to all those who serve our country and make it a safe and better place to live!! Thank you!! <3

 

[MyBelle]

There were other ways Jason could have tried to have someone discover Michelle's body, he could have called a neighbor, a friend, or her work and just said I have been trying to reach Michelle at the house and there is no answer. If he killed Michelle, he knew how flimsy a purse print out would look to get Meredith over there. He didn't need any other excuse than to say "I can not get a hold of my wife and I am worried",

Exactly. He had absolutely no control over MF and if and when she would go to the home. It was no premeditated ruse. There was evidence introduced that he had already asked MF for her help in selecting the purse.

If he was guilty of the murder and wanted CY found so that she'd be safe, all he had to do was call someone and say he was unable to make contact with his wife and was worried.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, I am pretty sure she knew he was going to see his parents, but I am too tired to look it up.

OT/
Happy Memorial Weekend to everyone and to all those who serve our country and make it a safe and better place to live!! Thank you!! <3

I guess I'm baffled how MF would know about that side trip if JY didn't tell her. I can't figure out why she would call his mom rather than him directly.

Ditto to your OT sentiment!

 

[JusticeFever]

I guess I'm baffled how MF would know about that side trip if JY didn't tell her. I can't figure out why she would call his mom rather than him directly.

Ditto to your OT sentiment!

MF knew, I just don't feel like looking it up. I am linked out...

 

[MyBelle]

MF knew, I just don't feel like looking it up. I am linked out...

I understand. I'm just trying to figure out how she knew and when she knew it. I don't have speakers hooked up to this computer. Thanks, tho!

 

[oenophile]

Jason "the slayer" Young set MF up.

Interestingly enough, the use of the descriptor "the slayer" in this case presupposes his guilt, which is why the second trial was overturned.

Quit trying to make loop holes for everything about Jason yet point fingers and scrutinize everything MF has done and said.

This is about the only thing that I agree with in that post. Circumstantial evidence can be pieced together to tell a story, no matter how far fetched. The JY is guilty story is quite far fetched. But so is the MF is involved story. Neither really make much sense when you examine the evidence. I sometimes think that the attention on MF is merely a ruse to divert attention away from JY. JY should be found guilty or not guilty based on the evidence, there is no need to try to scapegoat someone else close to the victim in order to demonstrate that there is a reasonable doubt as to JY's involvement.

 

[MyBelle]

Interestingly enough, the use of the descriptor "the slayer" in this case presupposes his guilt, which is why the second trial was overturned.





This is about the only thing that I agree with in that post. Circumstantial evidence can be pieced together to tell a story, no matter how far fetched. The JY is guilty story is quite far fetched. But so is the MF is involved story. Neither really make much sense when you examine the evidence. I sometimes think that the attention on MF is merely a ruse to divert attention away from JY. JY should be found guilty or not guilty based on the evidence, there is no need to try to scapegoat someone else close to the victim in order to demonstrate that there is a reasonable doubt as to JY's involvement.

BBM. I agree that in an just world JY should be found guilty or not guilty based on the evidence but it didn't happen in either of the first two trials.
He wasn't convicted based on circumstantial evidence, which points away from him such as foreign DNA and prints. JY was convicted on direct evidence in the form of witness testimony, including two significant prejudicial civil lawsuits. The Judge called him a slayer! I think next time around his defense has no choice but to question aggressively. It's not a matter of scapegoating, it is a matter of his own life.

JMO