Jason Young to get new trial #2

[tarheellvr]

That didn't happen. We all know that Jason's friend phoned him to tell him that police suspected him of the murder even though he was away on business. That is a good reason to remain silent.

What YOU are saying isn't true......no one EVER told JY he was a suspect. All JY was told was the LE were asking questions. Asling questions is a far cry from accusing him of being a suspect. Ahhhhh how we stretch the truth to fit our strategy.

JY arrived at Mommy's house, fell plum to his knees, and remained in a recliner until they left for Raleigh. Never ONCE, and I repeat, never ONCE did he ask what happened to his wife and daughter. Not before the trip to Raleigh, never during the trip to Raleigh, and never after the trip to Raleigh.

You cannot dimiss this....you cannot lighten this.....you cannot sugarcoat this.....you cannot "stretch the truth" abouth this. Yes, this aroused suspicion with LE....of COURSE it did!!!!!

 

[tarheellvr]

It matters to me because of the early morning activity observed at the house by the eyewitnesses. It appears that the killer(s) knew Jason was out of town on business but wasn't sure when JY would return so they risked being seen by turning on all the lights and loading up the vehicle.

If he is innocent, his decision to go to Brevard also threw in a monkey wrench in regard to CY. Who was supposed to find her alone with the body if it wasn't going to be Jason? Did they know Mr. Fisher was supposed to come visit and expected he find the scene? It just seems to point toward the killer being familiar with the family's plan rather than a random stranger.

JMO

Of course the slayer knew the family's routine.....he was part of the family.

He knew Mr. Fisher decided he was too weak to make the trip. He knew it was homecoming weekend at State, with friends coming no less, yet chose to go to Brevard??? Why???? The slayer wanted/needed someone to find Michelle's body. The slayer knew Cassidy was there, drugged for a long sleep, and needed to be found.

How right you are, no random killer knew all this, but JY did........JY and ONLY JY.

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[JusticeFever]

What YOU are saying isn't true......no one EVER told JY he was a suspect. All JY was told was the LE were asking questions. Asling questions is a far cry from accusing him of being a suspect. Ahhhhh how we stretch the truth to fit our strategy.

JY arrived at Mommy's house, fell plum to his knees, and remained in a recliner until they left for Raleigh. Never ONCE, and I repeat, never ONCE did he ask what happened to his wife and daughter. Not before the trip to Raleigh, never during the trip to Raleigh, and never after the trip to Raleigh.

You cannot dimiss this....you cannot lighten this.....you cannot sugarcoat this.....you cannot "stretch the truth" abouth this. Yes, this aroused suspicion with LE....of COURSE it did!!!!!

L E may go to great lengths to not use the word suspect officially in their investigations, but rest assured Jason Young was a suspect. Read the wording in the search warrant issued for his SUV, read the wording in his NTO warrant and all the warrants that followed. The words probable cause are used over and over again.

The Youngs were in shock and trying to make sense of what happened when they were notified of Michelle's death. To say that questions didn't arise at some point would seem highly unlikely. They were on their way back to Raleigh within the hour, all of them, Jason included, to find answers.

I haven't stretched the truth and I have reasonable doubt, so unless you can be more specific, I have to politely disagree. I have posted articles, trial testimony, and links to things that actually happened in this case.

 

[JusticeFever]

Of course the slayer knew the family's routine.....he was part of the family.

He knew Mr. Fisher decided he was too weak to make the trip. He knew it was homecoming weekend at State, with friends coming no less, yet chose to go to Brevard??? Why???? The slayer wanted/needed someone to find Michelle's body. The slayer knew Cassidy was there, drugged for a long sleep, and needed to be found.

How right you are, no random killer knew all this, but JY did........JY and ONLY JY.

[modsnip]

The term slayer was given by default.. And, it's that very term that has granted JY a 3rd trial. There is no proof CY was drugged, it was a theory to prove how and why she was able to be alone for so long.(if she was) Anyone who has ever had a 2 year old, knows you can't turn your back on them for one second, let alone hours and hours and hours. What does it matter whether Mr. Fisher was coming to town or not, he had another daughter in town, Meredith, I am sure he could have stayed with her. Homecoming weekend would be exactly the time to go get some furniture, so his friends would be in town to help him when he got back.

 

[MyBelle]

L E may go to great lengths to not use the word suspect officially in their investigations, but rest assured Jason Young was a suspect. Read the wording in the search warrant issued for his SUV, read the wording in his NTO warrant and all the warrants that followed. The words probable cause are used over and over again.

The Youngs were in shock and trying to make sense of what happened when they were notified of Michelle's death. To say that questions didn't arise at some point would seem highly unlikely. They were on their way back to Raleigh within the hour, all of them, Jason included, to find answers.

I haven't stretched the truth and I have reasonable doubt, so unless you can be more specific, I have to politely disagree. I have posted articles, trial testimony, and links to things that actually happened in this case.

ITA. There was trial testimony that Jason was told by friends that police viewed him as a suspect from the beginning. Any attempts to reinvent facts at this point is lame considering there have been two trials with much testimony. All three cases to be retried are because of major screw ups by the prosecution.

If a new prosecutor is in charge, I wonder if there will be new trials for all three cases. The reasonable doubt in this case and Cooper already is huge. I didn't follow the Peterson trial.

JMO

 

[tarheellvr]

L E may go to great lengths to not use the word suspect officially in their investigations, but rest assured Jason Young was a suspect. Read the wording in the search warrant issued for his SUV, read the wording in his NTO warrant and all the warrants that followed. The words probable cause are used over and over again.

The Youngs were in shock and trying to make sense of what happened when they were notified of Michelle's death. To say that questions didn't arise at some point would seem highly unlikely. They were on their way back to Raleigh within the hour, all of them, Jason included, to find answers.

I haven't stretched the truth and I have reasonable doubt, so unless you can be more specific, I have to politely disagree. I have posted articles, trial testimony, and links to things that actually happened in this case.

Again I will state what happened......JY was never called a suspect in the beginnings of this henious tragedy. Le asked questions when the spoke to Ryan, etc......again, asking questions is not an implication of being a suspect. Of course by the time they got to Raleigh LE was suspicious. JY basically hid from them....even hiding in the bed with Cassidy refusing to come out when Meredith tried to convey to JY LE only had questions.....questions to AID the investigation. JY and JY alone could answer questions about the house, their routine, etc no one could.

You nor anyone else here is going to convince me JY nor anyone asked WHAT HAPPENED and that is supposed to be a normal reaction??? Not one "What happened" not one "How did she die" not one "Was this an accident" "Was it pregnancy related? That is simply no what majority of the population would do.....not now, not ever.

Come on now.....many may think the average population is "blind" to the arguments defending such behavior, but believe me we are NOT. And I will say this over and over....Many of us are not!!!!

 

[MyBelle]

The term slayer was given by default.. And, it's that very term that has granted JY a 3rd trial. There is no proof CY was drugged, it was a theory to prove how and why she was able to be alone for so long.(if she was) Anyone who has ever had a 2 year old, knows you can't turn your back on them for one second, let alone hours and hours and hours. What does it matter whether Mr. Fisher was coming to town or not, he had another daughter in town, Meredith, I am sure he could have stayed with her. Homecoming weekend would be exactly the time to go get some furniture, so his friends would be in town to help him when he got back.

Plus, there were plenty of friends available for JY to contact about retrieving the print out if Meredith had not been able to do so. You are correct, CY was examined by a paramedic and if she had been drugged to the point she had been asleep for hours, it would be apparent. Even Michael Jackson had a doctor nearby because there is no such thing as a sleeping pill with no after effects. There have been daycare workers prosecuted for killing kids with overdoses of Benedryl.

JMO

 

[tarheellvr]

ITA. There was trial testimony that Jason was told by friends that police viewed him as a suspect from the beginning. Any attempts to reinvent facts at this point is lame considering there have been two trials with much testimony. All three cases to be retried are because of major screw ups by the prosecution.

If a new prosecutor is in charge, I wonder if there will be new trials for all three cases. The reasonable doubt in this case and Cooper already is huge. I didn't follow the Peterson trial.

JMO

Yes it absolutely is lame to say LE told Ryan and friends they considered JY a supect.......not true, not true at all.

Trial testimony states they were asked questions about JY......it's wrong to twist the facts and say otherwise. They WERE NOT told JY was a suspect....plain and simple!!!

 

[tarheellvr]

Plus, there were plenty of friends available for JY to contact about retrieving the print out if Meredith had not been able to do so. You are correct, CY was examined by a paramedic and if she had been drugged to the point she had been asleep for hours, it would be apparent. Even Michael Jackson had a doctor nearby because there is no such thing as a sleeping pill with no after effects. There have been daycare workers prosecuted for killing kids with overdoses of Benedryl.

JMO

Comparing Michael Jackson's drug regime and the adult tylenol JY gave Cassidy is like comparing sugar to *****!!!

You nor anyone else knows how long Cassidy had been asleep OR awake. And I respectfully disagree.......she may or may NOT show effects of being given Adult Tylenol Rapid Blast.

 

[JusticeFever]

ITA. There was trial testimony that Jason was told by friends that police viewed him as a suspect from the beginning. Any attempts to reinvent facts at this point is lame considering there have been two trials with much testimony. All three cases to be retried are because of major screw ups by the prosecution.

If a new prosecutor is in charge, I wonder if there will be new trials for all three cases. The reasonable doubt in this case and Cooper already is huge. I didn't follow the Peterson trial.

JMO

I actually don't fault them for considering JY a suspect or person of interest. He was the husband, he was out of town, no forced entry.etc, etc. etc. But the conversations with his friends were making them worry about Jason and they wanted him to know. Then there was the back and forth in the car coming back to Raleigh, where an officer told Mrs. Young, they damn well better be on their way. Then there was the immediate seizure of the SUV when they pulled in the driveway. And, the media and all the news articles coming out. Then all of the warrants that followed, issuing reasons for probable cause, I don't know how much closer you could get than to outright call JY a suspect.

As for the three overturned convictions, I think at least one will get a deal. I followed the Peterson case, but it's been years now. No idea who the Prosecution will be, Becky Holt just won a case with tons of evidence but failed to get the Death Penalty the state asked for.

 

[oenophile]

You nor anyone else here is going to convince me JY nor anyone asked WHAT HAPPENED and that is supposed to be a normal reaction??? Not one "What happened" not one "How did she die" not one "Was this an accident" "Was it pregnancy related? That is simply no what majority of the population would do.....not now, not ever.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone did tell JY what happened when they told him she was murdered. Claiming that he never asked anyone anything is pure speculation.

Come on now.....many may think the average population is "blind" to the arguments defending such behavior, but believe me we are NOT. And I will say this over and over....Many of us are not!!!!

Many of us are not blind to the evidence, and many of us can tell the difference between what is established fact and what is conjecture. The evidence of what was said to whom is based on the perception of the witnesses, some of which is probably accurate and some of which is not. It is well established fact that witnesses are generally not good at remembering exact details, and that memory as a whole is a very tricky subject.

I've asked before: what would it take to convince you that JY is innocent?

 

[tarheellvr]

ITA. There was trial testimony that Jason was told by friends that police viewed him as a suspect from the beginning. Any attempts to reinvent facts at this point is lame considering there have been two trials with much testimony. All three cases to be retried are because of major screw ups by the prosecution.

If a new prosecutor is in charge, I wonder if there will be new trials for all three cases. The reasonable doubt in this case and Cooper already is huge. I didn't follow the Peterson trial.

JMO

Ahhh come on now....the truth here is the admittance of information regarding the Civil Suit. The judge in the Civil Suit named JY the SLAYER of Michelle Young, not the prosecution.

While on this subject, MANY of us will NEVER forget the fact JY gave up custody of the child he had kept from the Fishers for YEARS....why???? his guilty arse didn't want to be subjected to questions and psyche exam.

 

[MyBelle]

I actually don't fault them for considering JY a suspect. He was the husband, out of town, no forced entry.etc, etc. etc. But the conversations with his friends were making them worry about Jason and they wanted him to know. Then there was the back and forth in the car coming back to Raleigh, where an officer told Mrs. Young, they damn well better be on their way. Then there was the immediate seizure of the SUV when they pulled in the driveway. Then there was the media and all the news articles that followed.

As for the three overturned convictions, I think at least one will get a deal. I followed the Peterson case, but it's been years now. No idea who the Prosecution will be, Becky Holt just won a case with tons of evidence but failed to get the Death Penalty the state asked for.

I think the nature of the crime would prompt cops to try to immediately rule out the husband. But apparently there was a more forceful tone to the initial questioning that caused JY's friends to be concerned about the intensity of the focus. After all, Jason WAS out of town on business and Shelly knew it. She also knew that she felt uncomfortable long after Jason left. And it turned out that their concerns were, in fact, spot on.

JMO

 

[oenophile]

Yes it absolutely is lame to say LE told Ryan and friends they considered JY a supect.......not true, not true at all.

I think it is important to distinguish the difference between whether JY was "named" a suspect and whether LE was asking questions in a manner that would make someone believe JY is a suspect. LE doesn't need to name someone a suspect for them to consider that person a suspect, and LE will rarely admit someone is a suspect until it is in their interest to do so.

So while you may be 100% correct that LE would not have stated to Ryan and friends that JY is a suspect, you also may be 100% wrong in that LE asked questions that made Ryan and friends believe that JY was a suspect.

 

[tarheellvr]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone did tell JY what happened when they told him she was murdered. Claiming that he never asked anyone anything is pure speculation.



Many of us are not blind to the evidence, and many of us can tell the difference between what is established fact and what is conjecture. The evidence of what was said to whom is based on the perception of the witnesses, some of which is probably accurate and some of which is not. It is well established fact that witnesses are generally not good at remembering exact details, and that memory as a whole is a very tricky subject.

I've asked before: what would it take to convince you that JY is innocent?

JY was told Michelle was dead, then fell plum to his knees. All the Youngs knew was that Michelle was dead. This is not speculation, this is case FACTS.

Could I be convinced of JY's innocence? Absolutely, emphatically NO....NOTHING could ever convince me JY didn't heniously, brutally, overkilll his innocent wife and unborn son.

 

[JusticeFever]

JY was told Michelle was dead, then fell plum to his knees. All the Youngs knew was that Michelle was dead. This is not speculation, this is case FACTS.

Could I be convinced of JY's innocence? Absolutely, emphatically NO....NOTHING could ever convince me JY didn't heniously, brutally, overkilll his innocent wife and unborn son.

It was also supposed to be fact that Jason never asked about CY either but in came out in trial that he did.
And, I don't know anyone who remembers exactly what they said or did when learning someone they love has died.
And, nothing will ever convince me that JY did it.....well, unless there was video at 4 Bros or a credible witness who saw him there, or he had scratches, or CY was afraid of him, or his SUV had some bloody evidence, or he failed to come back to Raleigh, or he skipped out on bail....

 

[oenophile]

JY was told Michelle was dead, then fell plum to his knees. All the Youngs knew was that Michelle was dead. This is not speculation, this is case FACTS.

Can you please point me to the testimony that stated the Young's knew she was dead but did not know she was murdered? And when they found out that she was murdered and not simply dead? Considering several people called him between the time he was first informed and the time that he got to the house, it is reasonable to conclude that someone told him she was murdered and not simply dead.

Could I be convinced of JY's innocence? Absolutely, emphatically NO....NOTHING could ever convince me JY didn't heniously, brutally, overkilll his innocent wife and unborn son.

Thank you for admitting that and putting it on the record. Not much point in a justice system then, is there?

 

[tarheellvr]

I think it is important to distinguish the difference between whether JY was "named" a suspect and whether LE was asking questions in a manner that would make someone believe JY is a suspect. LE doesn't need to name someone a suspect for them to consider that person a suspect, and LE will rarely admit someone is a suspect until it is in their interest to do so.

So while you may be 100% correct that LE would not have stated to Ryan and friends that JY is a suspect, you also may be 100% wrong in that LE asked questions that made Ryan and friends believe that JY was a suspect.

I think it 100% correct JY's actions and lack there of did arouse suspicions of LE. I would like to know the percentage of husbands who when told their wife is dead never asked how? why? I'll bet the percentage is very, very low.

And of this very, very low percentage of husbands who never asked "how" "why", Le surely is going to become suspicous of them.....of course they are!

 

[oenophile]

I think it 100% correct JY's actions and lack there of did arouse suspicions of LE. I would like to know the percentage of husbands who when told their wife is dead never asked how? why? I'll bet the percentage is very, very low.

And of this very, very low percentage of husbands who never asked "how" "why", Le surely is going to become suspicous of them.....of course they are!

Again, these are not facts, these are opinions only. Not sure how many times that needs to be repeated.

I could say the moon is made of cheese 50 times and it still wouldn't make it accurate.

 

[tarheellvr]

Can you please point me to the testimony that stated the Young's knew she was dead but did not know she was murdered? And when they found out that she was murdered and not simply dead? Considering several people called him between the time he was first informed and the time that he got to the house, it is reasonable to conclude that someone told him she was murdered and not simply dead.



Thank you for admitting that and putting it on the record. Not much point in a justice system then, is there?

We have the most fair justice system in the world. Yes, I would gladly admit nothing would convince me of JY's innocence. I followed this case since the beginning, I've read all notes, transcripts, etc. I read everything regarding the civil suit. I watched both trials each and every day.

But most of all, I listened to the prosecutions case and I feel they had an airtight case based on circumstantial evidence. Yes, circumstantial evidence....strong circumstantial evidence. Each piece of evidence is not viewed entirely on its own......it is when all the pieces of circumstantial evidence is put together, it forms a very, very strong circle of guilt.

As some have said "Just how unlucky can one guy be?" It would be interesting to know exactly how many of JY's friends, coworkers, aquaintances, etc consider him innocent at this point???? Suffice it to say, I'd bet money on the number being way, way low.....