Jason Young to get new trial #2

[Landonsmom02]

When we have irregularities in the circumstantial evidence, such as:

• the missing photo line-up,
• testimony from an eye witness with severe memory problems being accepted, and
• eye witness testimony from a hotel employee being rejected,

then the circumstantial evidence argument is put into question.

Can you explain this please? TIA

 

[oenophile]

So testimony isn't fact?? When they are sworn in under oath? So we are not to believe everything JY said then.....since his sworn oath isn't fact????

Correct, testimony isn't fact. It is evidence. However, jurors are instructed that they may examine the credibility of a witness and may choose to believe all, some, or none of what a witness says.

Which is exactly what they should also do with JY and his testimony. I do not accept JY's testimony as fact. He may have been lying about some things. He may have been mistaken about some things. We may believe or not believe based on his credibility, the consistency of his testimony with other pieces of evidence, his demeanor, etc.

Watching his testimony, I'm not sure I believe all of it.

 

[oenophile]

It was in testimony that when LEO phoned him he never inquired TO POLICE about how/what happened to MY or asked how CY was.

Right, that is a far cry from the claim that he never asked anyone what happened, or that he was never told what happened.

BUT, it sure is a nice little tidbit that the Police can use to make him seem uncaring and guilty to the jury!

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, Jason's trial would be the last of the 3, should this be the way it all goes. Cooper has already been transferred from prison and is currently waiting in jail for a trial date, and Peterson is out on house arrest.

Peterson is in Durham county.

There were 3 convictions in Wake County overturned within the past year - Young, Cooper and the Joshua Stepp conviction.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/21/3552112/nc-appeals-court-orders-new-trial.html

 

[oenophile]

Like I will never change my mind, there are some who profess his innocence and will never change theirs.

I disagree with this, at least from my perspective. If there was sufficient evidence, I would be first in line to say he should be found guilty. Someone else posted examples of the type of evidence that would convince those that say he is likely innocent. Things like a video camera actually recording his car or him the night of the murder between the hotel and his home. Like some type of defensive wounds. Like some piece of clothing with blood on it. Etc. etc. There are lots of potential pieces of evidence that would convince me of his guilt.

I do not know of a single person here that would say they are so convinced of his innocence that nothing will change their mind.

 

[sunshine05]

BBM

I love how the light colored SUV is never pointed toward JY when he drove a white ford exployer

How could it? It doesn't work with the factual timeline. We know he was in Virginia at 7:40 on his way to his meeting based on cell tower pings. He can't be in his driveway at 5:30AM and make it to the area where we know he was talking on the phone at 7:40AM.

If you want to ignore Cindy Beaver and Faye Hinsley (5:30-6AM), then we're only going with the one witness who saw it at 3:30-4AM. That is confirmation bias to accept the one and ignore the other two just to fit a theory. And of the three, CB provided the most details so her testimony is the strongest. Hinsley corroborates the vehicle being there even after that time.

 

[tarheellvr]

I disagree with this, at least from my perspective. If there was sufficient evidence, I would be first in line to say he should be found guilty. Someone else posted examples of the type of evidence that would convince those that say he is likely innocent. Things like a video camera actually recording his car or him the night of the murder between the hotel and his home. Like some type of defensive wounds. Like some piece of clothing with blood on it. Etc. etc. There are lots of potential pieces of evidence that would convince me of his guilt.

I do not know of a single person here that would say they are so convinced of his innocence that nothing will change their mind.

Ahhh.....I beg to disagree.......for fear of TOS violations, I cannot name names.

 

[sunshine05]

Ahhh.....I beg to disagree.......for fear of TOS violations, I cannot name names.

Logically, if there was convincing evidence --- a video of him in King buying gas at 5:30AM, MY's blood on the steering wheel of the Explorer, scratches/bruises on his body, etc. ---real evidence of guilt --- no one is going to be able to argue with factual evidence such as that. That's why we're here. Nothing like that exists. That would be classified as circumstantial evidence of guilt.

 

[MyBelle]

I disagree with this, at least from my perspective. If there was sufficient evidence, I would be first in line to say he should be found guilty. Someone else posted examples of the type of evidence that would convince those that say he is likely innocent. Things like a video camera actually recording his car or him the night of the murder between the hotel and his home. Like some type of defensive wounds. Like some piece of clothing with blood on it. Etc. etc. There are lots of potential pieces of evidence that would convince me of his guilt.

I do not know of a single person here that would say they are so convinced of his innocence that nothing will change their mind.

ITA. There is a stunning amount of physical evidence that points to someone other than Jason. Those who have concluded his guilt are steadfastly refusing to acknowledge physical evidence even exists.

JMO

 

[SteelerGirl43]

JY was told Michelle was dead, then fell plum to his knees. All the Youngs knew was that Michelle was dead. This is not speculation, this is case FACTS.

Could I be convinced of JY's innocence? Absolutely, emphatically NO....NOTHING could ever convince me JY didn't heniously, brutally, overkilll his innocent wife and unborn son.

WOW!! Nothing??

 

[Landonsmom02]

How could it? It doesn't work with the factual timeline. We know he was in Virginia at 7:40 on his way to his meeting based on cell tower pings. He can't be in his driveway at 5:30AM and make it to the area where we know he was talking on the phone at 7:40AM.

If you want to ignore Cindy Beaver and Faye Hinsley (5:30-6AM), then we're only going with the one witness who saw it at 3:30-4AM. That is confirmation bias to accept the one and ignore the other two just to fit a theory. And of the three, CB provided the most details so her testimony is the strongest. Hinsley corroborates the vehicle being there even after that time.

Ahhh!!!!! That's all I can say! I don't beleive CB. Just don't. Her details were the strongest? Like she saw a gold ring on the person's finger? With all due respect, how you driven on Birchleaf? I have many times. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that she was able to see a ring on the finger in the dark...especially since the driveway is a hill and it would also depend on her fast she was driving. Me thinks she inserted her self in this case. And Mrs. Hensly, I think she saw someone but it wasn't on Birchleaf. On the stand she was easily confused. Just MOO

 

[Landonsmom02]

Logically, if there was convincing evidence --- a video of him in King buying gas at 5:30AM, MY's blood on the steering wheel of the Explorer, scratches/bruises on his body, etc. ---real evidence of guilt --- no one is going to be able to argue with factual evidence such as that. That's why we're here. Nothing like that exists. That would be classified as circumstantial evidence of guilt.

We are looking at the CE and have different opinions. What would it take for me to say he is innocent? A confession from someone. Video of him being in the HI that morning. I still stand behind what I believe. He premeditated this murder. When AF chose not to come in that weekend, his plan was put into motion.

Also do you have a link for the gas mileage that the defense used at trial? I can't find it. In one of the search warrants released I seem to recall LEO driving that route and their mileage didn't add up.

 

[JusticeFever]

Ahhh.....I beg to disagree.......for fear of TOS violations, I cannot name names.

Why does it matter if someone thinks differently about a case? It's not like anyone is trying to twist the facts or truth for JY's benefit. Everything, pretty much, can be found at WRAL. except our opinions, and those we are entitled to.

 

[JusticeFever]

I was listening to *Russell Holley's testimony this afternoon and BLOOD was found in CY's shoe!! Those shoes have been bothering me since I saw the photo of them in the bed!! So, could CY put her shoes on herself? Or, did someone else do it? Shelly testified that MY had to put CY's socks on.The black shoe testified POSITIVE for the presence of blood.
2 differerent shoes,1 dress shoe and 1 flip flop, how did that happen and if she had been wearing them in the home, why no little shoeprint? This goes with the theory CY could have been taken from the home, per their search warrant.
* A serologist for the SBI Crime Lab

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10736235/

around the 40 minute mark. Evidence #168 and #168A

 

[oenophile]

I was listening to *Russell Holley's testimony this afternoon and BLOOD was found in CY's shoe!! Those shoes have been bothering me since I saw the photo of them in the bed!! So, could CY put her shoes on herself? Or, did someone else do it? Shelly testified that MY had to put CY's socks on.The black shoe testified POSITIVE for the presence of blood.
2 differerent shoes,1 dress shoe and 1 flip flop, how did that happen and if she had been wearing them in the home, why no little shoeprint? This goes with the theory CY could have been taken from the home, per their search warrant.
* A serologist for the SBI Crime Lab

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10736235/

around the 40 minute mark. Evidence #168 and #168A

I think it is quite possible that CY could at least try to put her shoes on herself. It is difficult getting into the mind of a two-year-old, but in general they can be very resourceful when they want or need to be. It is reasonable that she was trying to dress herself in the absence of her mother. Or that she was trying to wake up her mother, etc., believing her to be asleep. Even the fact that it is two different shoes is more consistent with a two year old than with someone removing her from the house.

 

[sunshine05]

Ahhh!!!!! That's all I can say! I don't beleive CB. Just don't. Her details were the strongest? Like she saw a gold ring on the person's finger? With all due respect, how you driven on Birchleaf? I have many times. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that she was able to see a ring on the finger in the dark...especially since the driveway is a hill and it would also depend on her fast she was driving. Me thinks she inserted her self in this case. And Mrs. Hensly, I think she saw someone but it wasn't on Birchleaf. On the stand she was easily confused. Just MOO

What possible reason did Cindy have to make up a story? She wanted to be involved? She had to be pressured by her boss to even contact police.

This thinking is why juries convict people despite strong alibis and evidence showing they were not there at the time of the crime. Only a dishonest State's case will present one witness who places the person at the crime scene (ie. light SUV) and ignores the two who place the vehicle there later (at a time when it couldn't be the accused). Why not suggest that Tiller was "mistaken" as well then?

 

[sunshine05]

We are looking at the CE and have different opinions. What would it take for me to say he is innocent? A confession from someone. Video of him being in the HI that morning. I still stand behind what I believe. He premeditated this murder. When AF chose not to come in that weekend, his plan was put into motion.

Also do you have a link for the gas mileage that the defense used at trial? I can't find it. In one of the search warrants released I seem to recall LEO driving that route and their mileage didn't add up.

This isn't about different opinions. It is a fact that the CE doesn't hold up to scrutiny. No one can argue that someone else's prints were on the camera, and that Gracie couldn't even describe JY and was not shown a proper police photo line-up and that no camera has him at that location and no credit receipt. CE must be fact based and it simply is not.

 

[sunshine05]

Here is the gas mileage summary from trial 1:

http://youtu.be/--Olb3pkoLw

 

[citygirl]

L E may go to great lengths to not use the word suspect officially in their investigations, but rest assured Jason Young was a suspect. Read the wording in the search warrant issued for his SUV, read the wording in his NTO warrant and all the warrants that followed. The words probable cause are used over and over again.

The Youngs were in shock and trying to make sense of what happened when they were notified of Michelle's death. To say that questions didn't arise at some point would seem highly unlikely. They were on their way back to Raleigh within the hour, all of them, Jason included, to find answers.

I haven't stretched the truth and I have reasonable doubt, so unless you can be more specific, I have to politely disagree. I have posted articles, trial testimony, and links to things that actually happened in this case.

I don't think they turned it around within the hour.

 

[JusticeFever]

I don't think they turned it around within the hour.

Not following you, sorry. turned what around?