Jason Young to get new trial #2

[JusticeFever]

Did they test the child's blood for sleeping meds?

No.........

 

[MyBelle]

This article should clear a few things up, dated Feb 8th, 2012

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10702549/

"Wednesday was the first time Fisher has said publicly that her niece referenced her father that day during her interaction with the 911 operator"

She (Fisher) was never asked about it during the testimony in Jason Young's first murder trial.

Same article, the blood or lack of:

"Wake County's sheriff's deputy Scott Earp,-one of two officers first to repond to the Young house- testified that he was caught off guard when Fisher told him she had not cleaned the girl".
I think I expected a "yes" out of it, he said Wednesday,"I thought that was kind of odd".

All of this is in testimony at WRAL too.

Thanks. That's the same article that notes Meredith said a child psychologist was at her home that night. Next trial, I expect the child psychologist to testify and an expert analysis of the content of the 911 call.

A child psychologist was on hand later that night at Fisher's home, she testified. By that time, however, Cassidy "had just kind of shut down."

Wednesday was the first time Fisher has said publicly that her niece referenced her father that day during her interaction with the 911 operator.

She was never asked about it during the testimony in Jason Young's first murder trial.

Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10702549/#zyXSeF1rYVSJD9VW.99

 

[SStarr33]

Penetrated and soaked doesn't mean that the pyjamas were washed. It means that the blood was soaked through the fabric to the child's skin (apparently there are no photos). Blood not visible until after blood presence testing could mean that the blood soaked fabric wore off with the child sitting in several places, similar to bloody footprints on carpet. The child sat in the bathroom (evidence on interior of door), and the child probably sat when she put on her shoes.

You must be joking.

 

[JusticeFever]

You must be joking.

Okay, you lost me !!

 

[MyBelle]

MF testified that when they were in the firetruck CY referenced her father several times. Also on the 911 call I hear CY say "Daddy do it" I sent a link for that part of the 911 call days ago, also to me it appeared that DT were squirmy in their seats as that part was played.

Yes, I have no doubt in my mind the reason LE immediately and only focused on Jason was because Meredith immediately told them CY had said, "Daddy did it" and kept referencing her father.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

MF testified that when they were in the firetruck CY referenced her father several times. Also on the 911 call I hear CY say "Daddy do it" I sent a link for that part of the 911 call days ago, also to me it appeared that DT were squirmy in their seats as that part was played.

This is an argument that will probably go on for all time, so I try and stay out of it. Everyone is entitled to make whatever they want out of that phonecall. I do hear CY using the word "dat" for the word "that"...and I never saw JY's attorneys squirm, ever.
I did, however, see the state in shock, disbelief and unprepared when Jason Young took the stand.

 

[SStarr33]

Okay, you lost me !!

I don't understand how otto thinks blood can wear off of fabric.

It will NOT happen. Period.

 

[otto]

It makes sense to me if it was just a single blotch of blood or two. She had bloody socks on two feet. Something else left the blood on the carpet other than CY's feet. There are a LOT of bloody footprints in the bathroom. It would be impossible for CY to walk down the hallway to the bathroom and not leave a path of bloody residue on the carpet.

JMO

There was blood on the carpet between the bedroom and the bathroom, but carpet is not a good surface for prints, so I don't think there was any conclusion about what made the prints. On that basis, I think it's reasonable to believe that the child transferred the blood to the carpet in the hallway.

This strikes me as a situation where Occams Razor applies: the simplest answer is more often correct. Rather than assume that the blood on the carpet was made by some unknown person and the child was carried, washed, cleaned, laundered, and comforted, why not assume that the prints in the bathroom are a result of the child walking to the bathroom and leaving blood on the carpet?

If the child did not leave the blood on the carpet, who did? Where are the rest of the prints for that unknown person? Did that person step in the blood, then walk on the carpet to the bathroom, and then that person's prints vanished? Are we to believe that the unknown person's bloody prints wore off by walking on the carpet, ending at the entrance to the bathroom?

 

[MyBelle]

This is an argument that will probably go on for all time, so I try and stay out of it. Everyone is entitled to make whatever they want out of that phonecall. I do hear CY using the word "dat" for the word "that"...and I never saw JY's attorneys squirm, ever.
I did, however, see the state in shock, disbelief and unprepared when Jason Young took the stand.

I don't believe there is much to the argument and it will be quickly resolved. If CY did reference her father on the 911, an expert analysis of the call can isolate her words. If she didn't, then that will also be known after an analysis of the call.

I do wonder why Meredith didn't mention this at the first trial, though.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

I don't understand how otto thinks blood can wear off of fabric.

It will NOT happen. Period.

Okay, got it. The blood evidence is confusing to me, because it would seem if CY is walking away from her Mom the blood would be more noticeable in the bedroom than in the bathroom.
By the time she gets to the bathroom, the carpet should have absorbed the heaviest amount of blood, but in the bathroom, the blood is the most heaviest.

 

[Grammy Jean]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/

Here is the link again of the 911 call. If you start listening at about the 7:50 mark. MF asks CY,"Cassidy honey do you know what happened to Mommy, did se fall?" and I hear CY answer "Daddy do it". Then go back and listen again but watch DF team and JY it appears to me they know it is coming and it is apparent to me they are uncomfortable.

 

[MyBelle]

There was blood on the carpet between the bedroom and the bathroom, but carpet is not a good surface for prints, so I don't think there was any conclusion about what made the prints. On that basis, I think it's reasonable to believe that the child transferred the blood to the carpet in the hallway.

This strikes me as a situation where Occams Razor applies: the simplest answer is more often correct. Rather than assume that the blood on the carpet was made by some unknown person and the child was carried, washed, cleaned, laundered, and comforted, why not assume that the prints in the bathroom are a result of the child walking to the bathroom and leaving blood on the carpet?

If the child did not leave the blood on the carpet, who did? Where are the rest of the prints for that unknown person? Did that person step in the blood, then walk on the carpet to the bathroom, and then that person's prints vanished? Are we to believe that the unknown person's bloody prints wore off by walking on the carpet, ending at the entrance to the bathroom?

If you don't want to believe the prosecution's theory that she was carried to the bathroom, that's fine. But the child made many, many bloody footprints in the bathroom with both feet. She would have left blood residue on the carpet from both feet if she had walked down the hallway. Nobody has suggested the blood on the hallway carpet was in the form of a footprint.

It isn't difficult for me to believe that whomever carried CY into that bathroom may have left the blood residue found on the hallway carpet.

JMO

 

[otto]

Okay, got it. The blood evidence is confusing to me, because it would seem if CY is walking away from her Mom the blood would be more noticeable in the bedroom than in the bathroom.
By the time she gets to the bathroom, the carpet should have absorbed the heaviest amount of blood, but in the bathroom, the blood is the most heaviest.

I understand. The theory is that the child was cleaned, Jason didn't have time to do this, therefore he is innocent. The problem with this, in my opinion, is that random murderers don't care for the child of their murder victim. This theory almost requires pointing fingers at another family member, or someone that would risk detection after committing murder to care for the child. That doesn't work for me.

Were the pajamas soaked with blood or were they clean? This seems to be a crucial point, yet it is one for which there are no photos and no evidence. The murder was eight years ago, and I don't think that memory and opinion should be presented as evidence. Were the pajamas washed by Meredith before they were examined?

 

[JusticeFever]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/

Here is the link again of the 911 call. If you start listening at about the 7:50 mark. MF asks CY,"Cassidy honey do you know what happened to Mommy, did se fall?" and I hear CY answer "Daddy do it". Then go back and listen again but watch DF team and JY it appears to me they know it is coming and it is apparent to me they are uncomfortable.

Do you know in the first trial, the one that ended with a hung jury, one of the things the Jurors wanted was a transcript of the 911 call. I don't know if there is an official court transcript of the 911 call online, but that would settle this!

 

[otto]

If you don't want to believe the prosecution's theory that she was carried to the bathroom, that's fine. But the child made many, many bloody footprints in the bathroom with both feet. She would have left blood residue on the carpet from both feet if she had walked down the hallway. Nobody has suggested the blood on the hallway carpet was in the form of a footprint.

It isn't difficult for me to believe that whomever carried CY into that bathroom may have left the blood residue found on the hallway carpet.

JMO

If someone carried the child to the bathroom and transferred blood to the carpet, what happened at the bathroom door? Why are there only child's prints in the bathroom? Was the child pushed into the bathroom, the door closed, and she was left there?

 

[SStarr33]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/

Here is the link again of the 911 call. If you start listening at about the 7:50 mark. MF asks CY,"Cassidy honey do you know what happened to Mommy, did se fall?" and I hear CY answer "Daddy do it". Then go back and listen again but watch DF team and JY it appears to me they know it is coming and it is apparent to me they are uncomfortable.

LOL, I don't see or hear any of that.

 

[MyBelle]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/

Here is the link again of the 911 call. If you start listening at about the 7:50 mark. MF asks CY,"Cassidy honey do you know what happened to Mommy, did se fall?" and I hear CY answer "Daddy do it". Then go back and listen again but watch DF team and JY it appears to me they know it is coming and it is apparent to me they are uncomfortable.

Why would they be uncomfortable? CY's chatter wasn't being introduced as evidence.

We know Michelle didn't fall and I also think CY didn't witness her mother's murder.

MF's testimony set the stage for the defense to introduce an expert analysis of the 911 call during the next trial which I think should have been done at the last trials.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If someone carried the child to the bathroom and transferred blood to the carpet, what happened at the bathroom door? Why are there only child's prints in the bathroom? Was the child pushed into the bathroom, the door closed, and she was left there?

Good questions. Another is why are the prints in the bathroom all pointed in the same direction?

 

[Grammy Jean]

Do you know in the first trial, the one that ended with a hung jury, one of the things the Jurors wanted was a transcript of the 911 call. I don't know if there is an official court transcript of the 911 call online, but that would settle this!

What I believe is that the transcript most likely had unintelligible or something like that for the parts of the call where CY was speaking. I admit I did not hear the, " Daddy do it" the first time or two I listened but once I did I stand by my opinion that is what I hear CY saying.

 

[otto]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/

Here is the link again of the 911 call. If you start listening at about the 7:50 mark. MF asks CY,"Cassidy honey do you know what happened to Mommy, did se fall?" and I hear CY answer "Daddy do it". Then go back and listen again but watch DF team and JY it appears to me they know it is coming and it is apparent to me they are uncomfortable.

I just listened to the call again and I didn't hear anything about daddy. I've never heard the "daddy did it" phrase. I also didn't noticed any change in the defense team during the audio evidence.