Jason Young to get new trial #3

[sunshine05]

I found a few more images of the floor from the Dateline episode. These screen shots are not the best, but I think it's pretty clear that there is not a trail of bloody footprints leading out of the master bedroom.

This one is very pixelated. Dateline had these up for such a short amount of time that it was difficult to get a good screen shot.

Top of stairwell

 

[minor4th]

You know what? There are documented cases of brutal murders that are cold cases now, have never been solved. What was the motive? We really don't know.

1) Jenna Nielsen (right here in Raleigh, killed in '07)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/17/grace.coldcase.nielsen/index.html?eref=ib_us

2) Kathi Goff Kennedy - This brutal murder occurred in '94 and remains unsolved. Two children in the home unharmed ages 4 and 18 months. Husband not a suspect because he was out of town. (Kernersville, NC)
http://www.ncdoj.gov/Crime/Solve-Crimes/SBI-Unsolved-Crimes/Kathi-Goff-Kennedy.aspx


3) Melissa Huggins-Jones - North Hills area - Blunt force trauma, much like MY -- random crime.
http://www.wsls.com/story/25468298/womans-bond-set-at-1-million-in-raleighs-north-hills-murder-case

Michael Morton case - 3 year old son left unharmed, wife brutally murdered. He served 25 years before they finally tested the DNA that proved he didn't do it and have since apprehended the real killer.

David Thorne case in Ohio - Yvonne Layne murdered, 4 children left unharmed in the house. Case remains unsolved, Thorne is in prison for an alleged murder-for-hire still after 14 years even though the co-defendant recanted years ago.

I'm sure there are many more cases where children are left unharmed.

I appreciate the list - and as I said earlier, there are definitely brutal homicides committed under a variety of circumstances and the spouse is excluded as a suspect.

I am familiar with the Michael Morton case, as I am a Texas lawyer and have followed the case with great interest for many years. That case was not just a rush to judgment because of Morton's relationship with the victim. That was a case in which prosecutors KNEW he did not commit the crime and ACTIVELY withheld evidence and committed egregious and outrageous prosecutorial misconduct. This year, the prosecutor was disbarred and convicted of felonies and sentenced to jail for intentionally and knowingly prosecuting an innocent man.

Texas has a lot of overzealous and questionably ethical prosecutors - that I know. Of course, NC is not a stranger to prosecutorial misconduct either

My problem with the Jason Young case is there is no evidence of a different perpetrator (unless the prosecutors are engaging in the same kind of misconduct as in the Morton case, or the Duke LAX case, for Another example). And there does seem to be quite a bit of evidence that points to JY. What is your thought about the integrity of his prosecutors?

I am not familiar with the other cases, but I'll read up.

 

[citygirl]

There have been several things posted incorrectly, so unless it is just an opinion, a link to testimony or an article helps..And, It's very easy to look things up, like the dolls that were availale for CY to choose from,or that JY"s trip was 5 hours, not 2, and I do remember the mention of a teenage boy, but I thought that he was a neighbor on their street, not from the trailer park,

Some of the older articles from WRAL( 8 years ago) are no longer available, I have been trying to find the one that said LE thought CY was a witness and the one where the sheriff said Michelle put up quite a struggle.

Which reminds me, and this is not for you, LM, why did LE order a NTO on JY, if a struggle did not occur? What kind of evidence did they expect to find in examining Jason's body if Michelle did not fight back? I will go look up the wording on the NTO.

More importantly is why was an NTO necessary?. He agreed to show up voluntarily. Why did that change?

 

[minor4th]

Can you explain how the gas mileage proves his guilt?



The reason I am focusing in on the gas mileage is that it is difficult to fake science and math. And based on the math, the data is exculpatory. Even the supposed gas stop doesn't add up with the math.

I'm not saying it proves his guilt.

I think I'm agreeing with you in that math and science don't lie. So both sides need to make a convincing presentation about the gas mileage and how it supports their case -- I can't see a scenario where it could support both.

I did hear the explanation of gas mileage in the first trial, but for some reason it was left out in the second trial. So that makes me wonder if some additional information was discovered between the first and second trial.

What I'm saying is that hard evidence and numbers about gas mileage - and what's possible and what's not - would be enough to convince me, whichever side it definitively supports or definitively refutes. KWIM?

 

[citygirl]

Jason Young did not kill Michelle Young.

IMO

In your opinion right?

 

[minor4th]

That is true.







The killer wasn't planning to kill anyone, and they didn't want to get caught by putting the stolen items into the pawn market. The killer kept them. The killer gave them to someone. There are lots of reasonable explanations. Of course there is no evidence to support any of them either, which leads me to believe they are inconclusive.

Ok but why steal valuable property (and commit a brutal murder in the process) if you can't pawn the items or turn them into cash? That's why it doesn't make sense, and that's why the failure to recover any of the items or even receive any leads points more towards a staged crime scene, a staged robbery and a killer with a different motive.

 

[oenophile]

In your opinion right?

correct, hence the IMO at the end.

 

[citygirl]

I think that part of the problem is that the real killer may never be found, so people would rather convict Jason, who admittedly was a bad husband, in lieu of having an ongoing open case where no justice is served for Michelle's murder.

It is a difficult pill for people to swallow that Michelle's killer may never be brought to justice because we do not know who he/she/they are.

Not for me. I'm not looking to "rather" convict him. Also, have no problem with this going to trial again. If he walks he walks and I will accept it. IMO it ain't gonna happen. They have their man.

 

[oenophile]

Ok but why steal valuable property (and commit a brutal murder in the process) if you can't pawn the items or turn them into cash? That's why it doesn't make sense, and that's why the failure to recover any of the items or even receive any leads points more towards a staged crime scene, a staged robbery and a killer with a different motive.

Where I differ with you is that I do not believe anything points to a staged crime scene unless you first assume it is staged.

I don't know why you would steal valuable property without pawning it (didn't someone earlier in this thread say that no real valuable property was missing so it couldn't have been a robbery?). But there could be a completely valid reason which is more valid than a staged scene.

 

[otto]

I found a few more images of the floor from the Dateline episode. These screen shots are not the best, but I think it's pretty clear that there is not a trail of bloody footprints leading out of the master bedroom.

Thanks for posting the photos! To get a better idea of whether there is any red (such as blood), the photos can be opened in photoshop and the red hue/saturation increased. That brings up the red, especially on the pillow.

 

[citygirl]

True, but a man's life is on the line, as is the healthy upbringing of a young girl. The "court of public opinion" often drives police and district attorneys in a particular direction. There is some value to justice to put aside emotion and focus on reason and evidence, even if no one is required to do so.

Interesting comment......the healthy upbringing of a young girl.? Have you reason to believe she hasn't had a healthy upbringing since her father has been incarcerated? What would possess you to make that observation?

 

[oenophile]

I found a few more images of the floor from the Dateline episode. These screen shots are not the best, but I think it's pretty clear that there is not a trail of bloody footprints leading out of the master bedroom.

Thanks, however they really don't show enough to be able to see anything.

I do wish we had a clear picture of the hallway carpet between the bathroom and the bedroom. Especially since the prints are so clear on the carpet just outside the bathroom, which is what it could be compared to.

 

[citygirl]

It is a fact that his car wasn't parked there from the time that Shelly was there and until at least 3AM as we have video of him at the HI 170 miles away. If someone was casing the house, they may have noticed that his vehicle wasn't there.

HUH? I was responding to post 628. They stated that the car wasn't there. Totally lost with your comment.

 

[oenophile]

Interesting comment......the healthy upbringing of a young girl.? Have you reason to believe she hasn't had a healthy upbringing since her father has been incarcerated? What would possess you to make that observation?

Being separated from your father and then discovering the possibility that he was unjustly brought to trial for the murder of your mother can be extremely traumatic in later years. I have no doubt that she is being well cared for now. However, there are long term ramifications of the murder trials. Not to mention that she is not developing a relationship with her father, which can also be harmful to her upbringing and later life.

 

[sunshine05]

I appreciate the list - and as I said earlier, there are definitely brutal homicides committed under a variety of circumstances and the spouse is excluded as a suspect.

I am familiar with the Michael Morton case, as I am a Texas lawyer and have followed the case with great interest for many years. That case was not just a rush to judgment because of Morton's relationship with the victim. That was a case in which prosecutors KNEW he did not commit the crime and ACTIVELY withheld evidence and committed egregious and outrageous prosecutorial misconduct. This year, the prosecutor was disbarred and convicted of felonies and sentenced to jail for intentionally and knowingly prosecuting an innocent man.

Texas has a lot of overzealous and questionably ethical prosecutors - that I know. Of course, NC is not a stranger to prosecutorial misconduct either

My problem with the Jason Young case is there is no evidence of a different perpetrator (unless the prosecutors are engaging in the same kind of misconduct as in the Morton case, or the Duke LAX case, for Another example). And there does seem to be quite a bit of evidence that points to JY. What is your thought about the integrity of his prosecutors?

I am not familiar with the other cases, but I'll read up.

I thought the prosecution team in the first trial was much more respectable than the second trial. Cummings has a way of bullying defense witnesses that literally makes me sick to my stomach. The prosecutor in the first trial did his job but did not cross the line when it comes to questioning witnesses. Cummings did the same thing in the Cooper trial. I find it very offensive and unethical.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I'm not saying it proves his guilt.

I think I'm agreeing with you in that math and science don't lie. So both sides need to make a convincing presentation about the gas mileage and how it supports their case -- I can't see a scenario where it could support both.

I did hear the explanation of gas mileage in the first trial, but for some reason it was left out in the second trial. So that makes me wonder if some additional information was discovered between the first and second trial.

What I'm saying is that hard evidence and numbers about gas mileage - and what's possible and what's not - would be enough to convince me, whichever side it definitively supports or definitively refutes. KWIM?

My mind just i a flashback to the Jodi Arias case. Would'nt it be possible JY had gas in a gas can and later got rid of the gas can.

 

[sunshine05]

HUH? I was responding to post 628. They stated that the car wasn't there. Totally lost with your comment.

You commented - it cuts both ways --- not a fact that his car was not there. I was pointing out that is WAS a fact that his car was not there at a time where if someone was casing the house, his car could not have been there.

 

[sunshine05]

Thanks, however they really don't show enough to be able to see anything.

I do wish we had a clear picture of the hallway carpet between the bathroom and the bedroom. Especially since the prints are so clear on the carpet just outside the bathroom, which is what it could be compared to.

I think prints would be visible on the master BR floor leading toward the door. There is nothing red there at all.

 

[citygirl]

Regarding the Ebay papers for Coach purses, JY didn't just go to EBay and print some things. He researched various websites for purses for about 10 minutes. He visited other purse sites such as Vera Bradley and Coach. That supports the story that he was looking for a gift for MY as he didn't have to do those additional searches to get MF to the house. He only needed to print something purse related.

For those of you who will say that he did it to "make it look good", then he is aware of his digital activity and surely wouldn't phone his mistress first thing the next morning.



@ approximately 14:50 http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10800874/

Three weeks late? After he spent his anniversary with his girlfriend? He cared enough to research it? I wish I could remember what he said on the envelope. Too lazy to look it up. I don't buy it.

 

[citygirl]

That is true.



The killer wasn't planning to kill anyone, and they didn't want to get caught by putting the stolen items into the pawn market. The killer kept them. The killer gave them to someone. There are lots of reasonable explanations. Of course there is no evidence to support any of them either, which leads me to believe they are inconclusive.

Sorry, IMO, with all due respect weak argument. The killer gave them away? After all that work? I'm beginning to see the light.