Jason Young to get new trial #3

[Nymeria]

No, because the gas receipts match up perfectly with his trip mileage and do not work at all for the State's theory --- the round trip back to Raleigh. I can't see any way he could have calculated things "just so" with the use of a gas can. I believe he would have needed several gas cans. Then what happens to Gracie's claim that he was there because he's running out of gas at 5:30AM. It simply does not work. Period.

*BBM*
Wouldn't a smart criminal pay cash and toss any receipts though?

 

[citygirl]

Most things are possible, but this is one of those examples where someone takes incredibly improbable scenarios that aren't supported by evidence in order to do an end-run-around actual evidence.

Isn't it possible that MY had a boyfriend on the side that no one knew about? Of course there is zero evidence to support this, and there should be evidence if she did, but that is an example of an incredibly improbable scenario that would solve the "it must have been rage" conclusion.

Low, low blow. Shocking. MOO.

 

[sunshine05]

And you know this how? Who gave you that information? Also not convinced that you aren't excusing his affair. Seems to me that you are. I have no problem with that. Just own it.

Don't talk to me like that.

This was part of the trial testimony. JY testified about this and if I recall, the card is in evidence.

 

[minor4th]

I thought the prosecution team in the first trial was much more respectable than the second trial. Cummings has a way of bullying defense witnesses that literally makes me sick to my stomach. The prosecutor in the first trial did his job but did not cross the line when it comes to questioning witnesses. Cummings did the same thing in the Cooper trial. I find it very offensive and unethical.

I'm not a fan of the bullying approach either.

There are times when a more confrontational approach is necessary with particularly reluctant witnesses or witnesses who are likely lying or hedging, but as a general style with every opposing witness, I don't like it and think it can create a barrier to the whole truth being known.

 

[minor4th]

*BBM*

Wouldn't a smart criminal pay cash and toss any receipts though?

....Jodi Arias (not that she was so smart, but at least she knew enough to get rid of incriminating receipts)

 

[oenophile]

When it comes to children, however, especially children in their tender years - the court considers only the best interest of the child. That includes the child's stability, the child's safety, the caregivers' ability and willingness to allow the child to maintain relationships with other family members/extended family - especially when a parent is deceased.

And there's a weighing of the potential harm and the gravity of that harm.

Jason Young has been indicted for first degree murder of Cassidy's mother. In addition he was actively alienating Cassidy from any of her mothers side of the family.

Although Jason Young is innocent under the law until proven guilty, the family court is not so interested in whether the State can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jason murdered CY's mother. They consider whether there's enough evidence to justify restricting JY's access to Cassidy, and the family court is going to err on the side of caution to protect the child.

Not developing a closer relationship with her father is an acceptable outcome for the child when weighed against the possibility of her being physically harmed or killed by her father.

If Jason Young were given primary custody, and he didn't allow MY's family to maintain a relationship with her - then there's much more turmoil if he's convicted, and CY is either placed in foster care or moved to relatives who have become strangers. Worse, if Jason is a murderer and suffers from certain personality disorders, Cassidy's life could be at risk if Jason decides to end it with murder/suicide, rather than face life in prison and give up his daughter to his accusers.

I don't disagree with this. I am saying that it is harmful to CY if she is not developing a relationship with her father if he is (as I believe) innocent. I fully understand the reasoning for the current custody arrangement. Can you imagine your child being taken away from you for something you didn't do? Can you imagine the future impact to the child?

 

[sunshine05]

*BBM*
Wouldn't a smart criminal pay cash and toss any receipts though?

Imagine you are him. How are you going to calculate this so that you fill up in all of the correct locations along his business trip route? He even got lost at one point and went maybe 20 miles out of the way. Could you seriously figure out when you would need to add the gas can gas and time it just right so that the mileage is consistent? And again, what about Gracie? Was he there or wasn't he?

 

[oenophile]

Even more traumatic would be that her father was JUSTLY charged. No easy life for CY. Why did Daddy elect to give her up? MY's family was looking for visitation rights. And he said, you can have her! He gave her up!

We know EXACTLY why, because the police were using that to do an end run around the fifth Amendment like they did with Brad Cooper.

 

[Nymeria]

Regarding the Ebay papers for Coach purses, JY didn't just go to EBay and print some things. He researched various websites for purses for about 10 minutes. He visited other purse sites such as Vera Bradley and Coach. That supports the story that he was looking for a gift for MY as he didn't have to do those additional searches to get MF to the house. He only needed to print something purse related.

For those of you who will say that he did it to "make it look good", then he is aware of his digital activity and surely wouldn't phone his mistress first thing the next morning.


@ approximately 14:50 http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...ideo/10800874/

I have to say this, as someone who shops for handbags often (a weakness :blushing.
10 minutes IS nothing.
That is if he really cared about getting just the right bag, cared about finding a good deal, etc. You want the right color, style, size, and hopefully can find it on sale.
If you are shopping for what you want to be a great gift for someone you can spend a ton of time looking, I know I have.

Not saying he could not have known EXACTLY what he wanted and where to find it, but from the sound of it he was looking at a few options, so that doesn't seem to fit.

JUST MO, coming from a handbag junkie.

 

[otto]

My mind just i a flashback to the Jodi Arias case. Would'nt it be possible JY had gas in a gas can and later got rid of the gas can.

I remember investigators looking for evidence of gas cans at the house shortly after the murder. They couldn't find any evidence of it. We know that they searched all the financial records because they were able to locate a shoe purchase that Michelle made a couple of years before the murder. I think it's safe to assume that there was no record of a gas can purchase.

 

[citygirl]

Don't talk to me like that.

This was part of the trial testimony. JY testified about this and if I recall, the card is in evidence.

He testified about a handmade Starbucks card? If so, I apologize!

 

[Nymeria]

....Jodi Arias (not that she was so smart, but at least she knew enough to get rid of incriminating receipts)

LOL Minor, actually she was dumb enough to use her debit card to fill up 3 times at ONE station in Utah! (Her car and the gas cans).
She likely got rid of the receipts, but brainiac did not figure in the bank records :giggle:

 

[sunshine05]

I have to say this, as someone who shops for handbags often (a weakness :blushing.
10 minutes IS nothing.
That is if he really cared about getting just the right bag, cared about finding a good deal, etc. You want the right color, style, size, and hopefully can find it on sale.
If you are shopping for what you want to be a great gift for someone you can spend a ton of time looking, I know I have.

Not saying he could not have known EXACTLY what he wanted and where to find it, but from the sound of it he was looking at a few options, so that doesn't seem to fit.

JUST MO, coming from a handbag junkie.

Well, we don't know that he was done shopping. I think he printed some things to show MF to get her input. There is nothing odd about this. The fact is that he did do other searches. That was my point.

 

[citygirl]

We know EXACTLY why, because the police were using that to do an end run around the fifth Amendment like they did with Brad Cooper.

What did the police have to do with it? The statute was running out and the family elected to file a civil suit. He bailed. He gave her up. It is what it is.

 

[otto]

Well, you know it's my opinion at the moment that there was no robbery. But we're just tossing around ideas, and what I see is what looks like a staged robbery. Do we know what was contained in the two drawers?

Michelle's ring was also stolen - it's worth something. But I don't see a robber killing her just to get that ring if they can't pawn it or sell it. That's part of why it looks staged to me. Especially in light of Jason's history with wedding rings and the significance he apparently attached to them.

Things were stolen. There was a robbery. We don't know if the jewelry was pawned. All we know is that investigators in NC checked some places, presumably near Jason's home and place of work, and they did not locate the stolen jewelry.

 

[sunshine05]

He testified about a handmade Starbucks card? If so, I apologize!

A handmade, self-written in his own words card with real gift cards included inside the card and he mailed it to her.

 

[Nymeria]

No, because the gas receipts match up perfectly with his trip mileage and do not work at all for the State's theory --- the round trip back to Raleigh. I can't see any way he could have calculated things "just so" with the use of a gas can. I believe he would have needed several gas cans. Then what happens to Gracie's claim that he was there because he's running out of gas at 5:30AM. It simply does not work. Period.

Imagine you are him. How are you going to calculate this so that you fill up in all of the correct locations along his business trip route? He even got lost at one point and went maybe 20 miles out of the way. Could you seriously figure out when you would need to add the gas can gas and time it just right so that the mileage is consistent? And again, what about Gracie? Was he there or wasn't he?

You pointed out the receipts, I was just responding that he would have been dumb to keep any or use CC or debit cards (go with cash!).

And if I was going to commit a crime and needed to watch every step I took, YES, I would figure it out beforehand. That is just me though.

I do not know enough about Gracie to answer you on that one.

Question- Is there any proof he got lost, or is this just based on his word?
I do not recall details of how that came up. TIA.

 

[oenophile]

What did the police have to do with it? The statute was running out and the family elected to file a civil suit. He bailed. He gave her up. It is what it is.

Which would require a deposition. In the Cooper case, the questions were used (and likely orchestrated) by the Police to attempt to impeach Brad. The exact same thing would happen in this case had he fought it.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I have to say this, as someone who shops for handbags often (a weakness :blushing.
10 minutes IS nothing.
That is if he really cared about getting just the right bag, cared about finding a good deal, etc. You want the right color, style, size, and hopefully can find it on sale.
If you are shopping for what you want to be a great gift for someone you can spend a ton of time looking, I know I have.

Not saying he could not have known EXACTLY what he wanted and where to find it, but from the sound of it he was looking at a few options, so that doesn't seem to fit.

JUST MO, coming from a handbag junkie.

And anyway why spend any time that day looking at purses. I have a very hard time understanding why when JY had the whole day off he didn't leave for VA much earlier in the day and stay at a hotel close to where his meeting was scheduled. Just one small piece of CE that speaks volumes to me.

 

[sunshine05]

You pointed out the receipts, I was just responding that he would have been dumb to keep any or use CC or debit cards (go with cash!).

And if I was going to commit a crime and needed to watch every step I took, YES, I would figure it out beforehand. That is just me though.

I do not know enough about Gracie to answer you on that one.

Question- Is there any proof he got lost, or is this just based on his word?
I do not recall details of how that came up. TIA.

Are you understanding that his receipts are consistent with his business trip? Watch the mileage testimony at the link I posted a few posts back.

He was 30 minutes late for his appointment because he got lost.