Jason Young to get new trial #3

[Nymeria]

I remember investigators looking for evidence of gas cans at the house shortly after the murder. They couldn't find any evidence of it. We know that they searched all the financial records because they were able to locate a shoe purchase that Michelle made a couple of years before the murder. I think it's safe to assume that there was no record of a gas can purchase.

:facepalm:
Good golly, really?
I know you are passionate about JY being unfairly prosecuted, but you HAVE to know he could easily have paid cash and tossed them somewhere.

I at this point do not really think he did.
But I have to be logical in saying it can easily be done without being traced (IF you were planning ahead).

 

[otto]

We know EXACTLY why, because the police were using that to do an end run around the fifth Amendment like they did with Brad Cooper.

Not only that, but the affidavits were written such that they completely crucified Jason. Every stupid thing he ever did in his entire life was packed into the affidavits to portray him as a murderer and an unfit parent. This was not a visitation application ... visitation was just the beginning, custody was the objective.

 

[sunshine05]

Discussion of the blood in the master BR. Some have suggested that CY used the master bath bathroom as urine was found there, there are no bloody prints in that bathroom. Only faint prints leading to the jewelry box. @59:00

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10800874/

 

[citygirl]

A handmade, self-written in his own words card with real gift cards included inside the card and he mailed it to her.

From his girlfriend's house when he mailed the other card?

 

[Nymeria]

Are you understanding that his receipts are consistent with his business trip? Watch the mileage testimony at the link I posted a few posts back.

He was 30 minutes late for his appointment because he got lost.

Yes, I understand that the records show consistency (Or that you are saying that, I have not delved into them yet so I do not know to a *T* how it all breaks down).

What I am trying to point out to you is that you can plan all the things you WANT to show as being part of the normal trip. Charge gas, for the VISIBLE part of your trip.
You want to go driving in the night to get something else done and do not want anyone to find out about it, you put in gas with cash, NO receipts.

Do you get what I am saying?

 

[sunshine05]

From his girlfriend's house when he mailed the other card?

Okay, CG - I get it. He was having an affair with MM. No one is denying that. It does not make him a murderer and it does not negate the fact that he did give her a gift. It just wasn't up to their satisfaction.

 

[citygirl]

Which would require a deposition. In the Cooper case, the questions were used (and likely orchestrated) by the Police to attempt to impeach Brad. The exact same thing would happen in this case had he fought it.

Why not speak if you are innocent? Why so quick to give up your little girl? Isn't she important enough to step up? We have heard from LE during the trials. Did they seem like men that were looking to frame him?

 

[minor4th]

I don't disagree with this. I am saying that it is harmful to CY if she is not developing a relationship with her father if he is (as I believe) innocent. I fully understand the reasoning for the current custody arrangement. Can you imagine your child being taken away from you for something you didn't do? Can you imagine the future impact to the child?

Actually, and unfortunately, yes I am all too familiar with the harm that comes to children from custody fights and parents' having their custody restricted for reasons that end up being unwarranted in hindsight. I am a family lawyer, and I specialize in high conflict custody cases - that includes many cases with domestic violence and child abuse, as well as many cases of false allegations of sexual and physical abuse of children.

I also know that the courts have to concern themselves with probabilities and risk assessment when it comes to children's safety. It's a very imperfect system, and it sometimes does more harm than good for children- but that's a discussion for another day (and I have so many stories that would break your heart).

If I were judging custody issues in this case, I would give primary custody to MF or MY's mother, and I would allow JY weekly supervised visitation in a public place or a supervision center. I would have very strict orders about discussing MY's death or JY's possible involvement, and non-disparagement orders all the way around.

 

[Grammy Jean]

Discussion of the blood in the master BR. Some have suggested that CY used the master bath bathroom as urine was found there, there are no bloody prints in that bathroom. Only faint prints leading to the jewelry box. @59:00

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10800874/

Well if she used that master ath after she was cleaned, and then slept for hours, then there wouldn't be bloody prints.

 

[citygirl]

Okay, CG - I get it. He was having an affair with MM. No one is denying that. It does not make him a murderer and it does not negate the fact that he did give her a gift. It just wasn't up to their satisfaction.

Imagine how they would have felt had they known he was having an affair? They had no idea.

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, I understand that the records show consistency (Or that you are saying that, I have not delved into them yet so I do not know to a *T* how it all breaks down).

What I am trying to point out to you is that you can plan all the things you WANT to show as being part of the normal trip. Charge gas, for the VISIBLE part of your trip.
You want to go driving in the night to get something else done and do not want anyone to find out about it, you put in gas with cash, NO receipts.

Do you get what I am saying?

They checked every gas station along that route and the only person who said they saw him was Gracie. They looked at videos, they searched hard for evidence of him all along the route and it does not exist. The only thing that is confirmed is that he got gas before he left for his trip and then in Duffield and then in Burlington.

 

[minor4th]

Things were stolen. There was a robbery. We don't know if the jewelry was pawned. All we know is that investigators in NC checked some places, presumably near Jason's home and place of work, and they did not locate the stolen jewelry.

See, I don't believe there was a robbery though. I believe it was staged by Jason to look like a robbery.

 

[otto]

What did the police have to do with it? The statute was running out and the family elected to file a civil suit. He bailed. He gave her up. It is what it is.

That's true: it is what it is. Everyone that followed the case was really looking forward to seeing Jason testify for custody, because everyone knew that the questions were going to have nothing to do with custody. I remember how disappointed everyone was that he did not show up, and it wasn't because people were concerned about the child. People were disappointed because Jason was not going to be forced to answer questions about the murder.

 

[sunshine05]

See, I don't believe there was a robbery though. I believe it was staged by Jason to look like a robbery.

Shouldn't a robbery staging show sign of forced entry? Did you know that the jewelry was sorted? Costume jewelry was left behind. He would have had just minutes to accomplish all of this but took the time to sort jewelry?

 

[oenophile]

Why not speak if you are innocent? Why so quick to give up your little girl? Isn't she important enough to step up? We have heard from LE during the trials. Did they seem like men that were looking to frame him?

I answered this several times on another thread.

The fifth amendment is there to protect the innocent. Ask any defense attorney.

 

[minor4th]

Shouldn't a robbery staging show sign of forced entry? Did you know that the jewelry was sorted? Costume jewelry was left behind. He would have had just minutes to accomplish all of this but took the time to sort jewelry?

I've been trying to get more info on exactly what was allegedly stolen from the jewelry box. Can you tell me more about the sorting of jewelry or point me to a link?

No forced entry points to Jason, not a burglar.

 

[oenophile]

I've been trying to get more info on exactly what was allegedly stolen from the jewelry box. Can you tell me more about the sorting of jewelry or point me to a link?

No forced entry points to Jason, not a burglar.

This doesn't make sense either. If you are going to stage a robbery, wouldn't you fake a forced entry?

 

[citygirl]

That's true: it is what it is. Everyone that followed the case was really looking forward to seeing Jason testify for custody, because everyone knew that the questions were going to have nothing to do with custody. I remember how disappointed everyone was that he did not show up, and it wasn't because people were concerned about the child. People were disappointed because Jason was not going to be forced to answer questions about the murder.

I remember that too. But people were very concerned about the child as I recall.

 

[sunshine05]

I've been trying to get more info on exactly what was allegedly stolen from the jewelry box. Can you tell me more about the sorting of jewelry or point me to a link?

No forced entry points to Jason, not a burglar.

Well, that is conflicting then because you're saying he staged a theft but didn't stage a break-in. Not very well thought out then.

 

[otto]

:facepalm:
Good golly, really?
I know you are passionate about JY being unfairly prosecuted, but you HAVE to know he could easily have paid cash and tossed them somewhere.

I at this point do not really think he did.
But I have to be logical in saying it can easily be done without being traced (IF you were planning ahead).

It's true. He could have withdrawn cash, purchased two gas cans, paid cash to fill them up and so on, but then why did he allegedly stop at the gas station and meet Gracie? Either he had gas cans, and didn't need to stop for gas, or he didn't have gas cans, and stopped at Gracie's gas station. Investigators couldn't find any evidence of gas cans, so they canvassed all the gas stations between Raleigh and Hillsville ... they hit the jackpot with Gracie at a gas station without cameras. Perhaps he didn't make the round trip, didn't have gas cans, and didn't meet Gracie.