Jason Young to get new trial #3

[minor4th]

Which would require a deposition. In the Cooper case, the questions were used (and likely orchestrated) by the Police to attempt to impeach Brad. The exact same thing would happen in this case had he fought it.

Yes, of course. The police are going to use any strategy they can to get information - and they're going to use it against him.

Being under indictment for murder, Jason had little choice but to give MF what she wanted. No attorney would advise JY to give a deposition in a civil suit while criminal charges were pending. If he's innocent, doing so could have possibly been worse for Cassidy in his mind. He might have thought giving a deposition would increase the chances of him being wrongly convicted (if he's innocent.). If innocent, his best strategy would be allow Cassidy to be well cared forby relatives and get as much visitation as possible, the get acquitted of the charges and reunify with Cassidy on the other side of the criminal trial.

If he's guilty, it's obvious why he wouldn't speak to police or submit to a deposition.

Bottom line - the fact that he didn't challenge the custody suit does not really say anything about his love for Cassidy or his guilt or innocence IMO.

 

[otto]

See, I don't believe there was a robbery though. I believe it was staged by Jason to look like a robbery.

The theory is that this was supposed to be a soft kill ... a clean strangulation murder that got out of control because Michelle fought back. How long would it take for someone to re-calibrate their murderous intentions to include staging footprints with a pair of shoes that were two sizes too small, and steal valuable jewelry for the sake of staging the scene?

 

[minor4th]

Well, that is conflicting then because you're saying he staged a theft but didn't stage a break-in. Not very well thought out then.

Right. Not very well thought out.

 

[otto]

Shouldn't a robbery staging show sign of forced entry? Did you know that the jewelry was sorted? Costume jewelry was left behind. He would have had just minutes to accomplish all of this but took the time to sort jewelry?

Apparently this staging only includes a pair of shoes that are too small, and which could not be part of the original "soft" strangulation murder, and the removal of jewelry worth thousands of dollars.

 

[minor4th]

The theory is that this was supposed to be a soft kill ... a clean strangulation murder that got out of control because Michelle fought back. How long would it take for someone to re-calibrate their murderous intentions to include staging footprints with a pair of shoes that were two sizes too small, and steal valuable jewelry for the sake of staging the scene?

No idea what would have been going through his mind.

 

[minor4th]

When did they have time to do that? She went to Brevard immediately after the funeral. She was with her father and his family. They sent her Christmas gifts that were returned unwrapped. They couldn't get to her!

I know about the letters and gifts returned -- JY is a crappy father IMO.

I'll try to find A link for where I read about MY talking badly about JY to Cassidy.

 

[otto]

I've been trying to get more info on exactly what was allegedly stolen from the jewelry box. Can you tell me more about the sorting of jewelry or point me to a link?

No forced entry points to Jason, not a burglar.

No forced entry points away from a staged break-in. The garage door was broken and the door between the house and garage was probably unlocked.

 

[JusticeFever]

Why is it so hard to keep the facts in this case straight? JY did not give up his daughter. He and MF worked out a custody agreement, yes, she had primary custody, but they still shared custody. LF and MF wanted JY to take a psych exam and Jason followed the advice of his attorney, Alice Stubbs. I am sure she knew what she was doing.

In the search warrant link that I posted earlier, dated 3-4 days after MY's death,LE accused JY of murdering MY. That puts to rest the 8 year argument this was not a rush to judgement case and also shows why JY lawyered up and refused to answer questions.
"There are reasonable grounds to suspect that you commited this offense"

Also, in the same warrant, dated 3-4 days later, they listed their motive without any proof or much investigation into this case.
Financial problems, MY cutting back on work, and a substantial life insurance policy.

 

[minor4th]

No forced entry points away from a staged break-in. The garage door was broken and the door between the house and garage was probably unlocked.

Huh? No forced entry points away from an inside job? I don't think so.

What kind of forced entry into the garage was there? And why do you think the door into the house was unlocked?

Actually not trying to be argumentative. I do not know all the evidence so I could be swayed if there's something convincing.

 

[otto]

I remember that too. But people were very concerned about the child as I recall.

My impression at the time was the people were shocked that Jason walked away from custody in order to avoid being forced to testify about the murder. Did Spivey testify at the custody hearing?

 

[Nymeria]

It's true. He could have withdrawn cash,cha pursed two gas cans, paid cash to fill them up and so on, but then why did he allegedly stop at the gas station and meet Gracie? Either he had gas cans, and didn't need to stop for gas, or he didn't have gas cans, and stopped at Gracie's gas station. Investigators couldn't find any evidence of gas cans, so they canvassed all the gas stations between Raleigh and Hillsville ... they hit the jackpot with Gracie at a gas station without cameras. Perhaps he didn't make the round trip, didn't have gas cans, and didn't meet Gracie.

*BBM*
Thank You for understanding the point I was making though.

 

[otto]

When did they have time to do that? She went to Brevard immediately after the funeral. She was with her father and his family. They sent her Christmas gifts that were returned unwrapped. They couldn't get to her!

We have heard many complaints about Jason and his mother throughout this case. There are probably two versions of what happened, but we have only heard one version, and it isn't Jason's version.

Jason was interfered with throughout this case. When he was working for the pharmaceutical company, after he moved to Brevard, people (unrelated to the case) began posting on the company forum, telling Jason's colleagues that they were working with a murderer. He was ultimately let go. When Jason went back to school to become a nurse, people (unrelated to the case) complained to the school where he was studying until he was asked to withdraw. His reputation was completely damaged by people with an agenda, some of whom had nothing to do with the family or the case.

 

[citygirl]

I know about the letters and gifts returned -- JY is a crappy father IMO.

I'll try to find A link for where I read about MY talking badly about JY to Cassidy.

Much obliged. I have never heard this before.

 

[JusticeFever]

We have heard many complaints about Jason and his mother throughout this case. There are probably two versions of what happened, but we have only heard one version, and it isn't Jason's version.

Jason was interfered with throughout this case. When he was working for the pharmaceutical company, after he moved to Brevard, people (unrelated to the case) began posting on the company forum, telling Jason's colleagues that they were working with a murderer. He was ultimately let go. When Jason went back to school to become a nurse, people (unrelated to the case) complained to the school where he was studying until he was asked to withdraw. His reputation was completely damaged by people with an agenda, some of whom had nothing to do with the family or the case.

Exactly, and how in the world was JY supposed to continue CY's visits with MY's family when clearly they thought he killed MY and were telling police that. The motives in the search warrant had to come from family or close friends.

 

[citygirl]

We have heard many complaints about Jason and his mother throughout this case. There are probably two versions of what happened, but we have only heard one version, and it isn't Jason's version.

Jason was interfered with throughout this case. When he was working for the pharmaceutical company, after he moved to Brevard, people (unrelated to the case) began posting on the company forum, telling Jason's colleagues that they were working with a murderer. He was ultimately let go. When Jason went back to school to become a nurse, people (unrelated to the case) complained to the school where he was studying until he was asked to withdraw. His reputation was completely damaged by people with an agenda, some of whom had nothing to do with the family or the case.

The original post was about MY's family influencing CY. They had no chance. He whisked her away.

 

[minor4th]

LOL Minor, actually she was dumb enough to use her debit card to fill up 3 times at ONE station in Utah! (Her car and the gas cans).

She likely got rid of the receipts, but brainiac did not figure in the bank records :giggle:

Exactly. And she thought she had this planned to perfection. Planned well in advance.

And I think Jodi is considerably more intelligent than JY (JMO - don't hate on me for this opinion). It doesn't bother me at all that JY could have badly and hastily staged a robbery but didn't stage a break in. He could always just say on the stand that they never locked their doors at night, and how can anyone disprove that?

No forced entry definitely points more towards Jason than a random burglar. And the the gas receipts are only I informative of the places he stopped to create his alibi - it does not mean he didn't stop elsewhere for gas.

 

[minor4th]

The original post was about MY's family influencing CY. They had no chance. He whisked her away.

But wasn't there an issue about it after they got primary custody away from him?

I'm still going to look for the link, bit I'm open to correction if I got it wrong.

 

[JusticeFever]

Huh? No forced entry points away from an inside job? I don't think so.

What kind of forced entry into the garage was there? And why do you think the pot into the house was unlocked?

Actually not trying to be argumentative. I do not know all the evidence so I could be swayed if there's something convincing.

The Youngs left the door that led from the garage into the kitchen unlocked. MF testified to this. In fact, when she came over that day to the home, she did not even have the keys to Michelle's and Jason's home, because she knew she could enter the home through the garage. MF had her car keys with her, but not keys to MY's house.

 

[citygirl]

Exactly, and how in the world was JY supposed to continue CY's visits with MY's family when clearly they thought he killed MY and were telling police that. The motives in the search warrant had to come from family or close friends.

The motives in what search warrants?

 

[minor4th]

Exactly, and how in the world was JY supposed to continue CY's visits with MY's family when clearly they thought he killed MY and were telling police that. The motives in the search warrant had to come from family or close friends.

Did he not continue the visitation that he was allowed?