Jason Young to get new trial #3

[minor4th]

I'm not sure there were cameras at the stairwell exits on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th floor. Something I read said there was a camera pointed at the elevator on each floor. I've read nothing to indicate any cameras on any other floor except at the elevator. There may only have been cameras at the entrance/exit on the first floor doors, along with whatever other cameras were in the lobby, breakfast area, etc.

Minor,

JY was seen on video at the elevator, with his luggage, heading up to his room. He was wearing a different outfit than what he was seen wearing about an hour later.

I agree it's sadly ironic that the camera that could have captured him going back to his room, since he said he used that stairway, which would have made for an airtight alibi, had first been unplugged then later pushed away from that very stairwell. And darn it, the one night to decide to not fully close the hotel room door where a key card would otherwise have to be used to show entrance into a room, which would have further corroborated an alibi, on top of cameras being moved. All on the same night in which a stop with no reservation at a hotel halfway to a business appointment still allows a person to be in striking distance of the victim. Those are some bad odds.

As if that's not already a world record bad luck streak, his pregnant wife's murderer wore size 12 shoes that match Jason's size 12 hush puppies he can't find!!!

It's like the whole universe rose up and aligned itself against Jason to cosmically thwart every bit of evidence Jason needed to establish his innocence.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I've been reading up on this case but not fully informed on all the ins and outs, there are some glaring anomalies though, like how JY accessed the cameras without a ladder and wouldn't he be recorded doing so if he did?

investigators chose to believe Gracie Calhoun, a convenience store clerk in King, N.C. – about 45 minutes from Hillsville. She insisted that Jason Young cursed at her while buying gas at 5:27 a.m.

But they dismissed neighbor Cindy Beaver's statement that she saw a car carrying two people pulling out of the Youngs' driveway around 5:30 a.m. the same morning.

Why believe Calhoun who has memory issues and disbelieve Beaver's statement who also has no reason to lie?

Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings, however, likened the case to a puzzle. Even with some pieces missing, he said, it isn't difficult to see the final picture. Michelle Young's death, he said, wasn't a "stranger crime" but an act of domestic violence.
"If you're a stranger, why do you feel the need to overkill somebody?" he said. "It's overkill, because he goes on a mission to kill somebody, to being so mad because that person has put you in that place in your life where you did not want to be."

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10798022/

I don't agree, an intruder can just as well overkill out of misplaced rage/anger, or fear of being caught, as in this case.

Why did this man struck a baby over 25 times? Surely that is overkill?

A Victorian man has been found guilty of murdering a sleeping 10-month-old boy as he robbed the boy's house.

A Victorian supreme court jury on Wednesday found Harley Hicks, 20, of North Bendigo, guilty of murder, aggravated burglary and two counts of theft amid a robbery spree in the Bendigo suburb of Long Gully early on 15 June 2012.

Hicks beat baby Zayden Veal-Whitting with a home-made baton made of copper wire wrapped in tape, which was later found in Hicks' possession and with DNA from Hicks and Zayden on it, prosecutor Michelle Williams SC said.

"Let me put it bluntly to you, he bashed the child to death with sufficient force to cause those very severe injuries," she told the jury during the trial.

"We allege the accused man unplugged the baby monitor and that he struck the baby at least 25 times to the head with that home-made baton."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/man-guilty-of-bashing-sleeping-baby-to-death

Also, the shirt JY was wearing in the surveillance photo at front counter which is now missing, I've read that LE searched JY's suitcase but no photos of contents were taken or an inventory made! :facepalm:

JY may have paid someone to kill his wife but it seems such a stretch to believe that he did all this elaborate 'smoke and mirrors' stuff in such a short time. If he planned the perfect murder, he certainly left too much to chance.
jmo

 

[minor4th]

Wait a minute. The camera was tilted in the evening, not unplugged, so the theory is that he came down the stairwell from the fourth floor, tilted the camera near the exit, went to the front desk, then went back towards the exit (recorded on video), and left the building. Tilting the camera was supposed to cammouflage the fact that he was heading for the exit dressed like he was leaving to smoke a cigar on a windy evening - to prep for his meeting the following morning? Unplugging the camera in the morning was supposed to eliminate video still shots of him returning to the hotel, yet even though only one camera was tampered with, he supposed made it to his fourth floor room without a single still shot from any of the 14 cameras in the hotel?



Are there still shots of staff placing newspapers and receipts under doors? Surely that takes more than 14 seconds. Were the cameras working? Were the fourth floor video stills requested?

No it was unplugged in the evening - around the same time Jason went out that exit, propped the door open and retrieved his errant computer charger so he could review demo software for his sales meeting. Oh wait ...he didn't actually run the software as he claimed.

 

[minor4th]

I didn't know that.

At what time was the camera unplugged?

Sometime around 11:15 - 11:20

 

[MyBelle]

Was the footage from the fourth floor reviewed? Wouldn't that be the first thing to review. Did investigators examine Jason's fourth floor hotel room door?

Why was his keycard only used once when he left to smoke a cigar once?

Of course the footage from the fourth floor was reviewed. That's a given.

But it was not seized and my opinion is it was not seized because it validated Jason's alibi. He left the room twice and returned to the room a short time later. No trip to Raleigh.

He did not have the ability to control what was seized. He did not have the ability to control what was recorded.

imo, he was railroaded.

JMO

 

[otto]

As if that's not already a world record bad luck streak, his pregnant wife's murderer wore size 12 shoes that match Jason's size 12 hush puppies he can't find!!!

It's like the whole universe rose up and aligned itself against Jason to cosmically thwart every bit of evidence Jason needed to establish his innocence.

And at the same time lady luck looked down on him and granted gas stations without working security cameras, hotel camers cycling every 14 seconds that failed to trace any record of his murderous trek in the middle of the night. The shoes were size 10, and the prosecution returned to the crime scene months later to pull up deck boards hoping that there were prints on the finish that matched the shoe prints found at the crime scene. That theory was wrong too.

 

[otto]

Of course the footage from the fourth floor was reviewed. That's a given.

But it was not seized and my opinion is it was not seized because it validated Jason's alibi. He left the room twice and returned to the room a short time later. No trip to Raleigh.

He did not have the ability to control what was seized. He did not have the ability to control what was recorded.

imo, he was railroaded.

JMO

Wait a minute. I'm confused. The video stills of the fourth floor on Nov 2-3, 2006 were reviewed but not preserved?

Are there no records of fourth floor stills? Should we believe that they showed no record of people moving around on the floor between midnight and 7AM, no record of Jason coming and going, or should we believe that the cameras weren't working, or does the defence simply not have enough time to go through all the evidence?

 

[MyBelle]

Wait a minute. I'm confused. The video stills of the fourth floor on Nov 2-3, 2006 were reviewed but not preserved?

Are there no records of fourth floor stills? Should we believe that they showed no record of people moving around on the floor between midnight and 7AM, no record of Jason coming and going, or should we believe that the cameras weren't working, or does the defence simply not have enough time to go through all the evidence?

Testimony was that the cameras on the fourth floor existed and were operational. Where's the evidence of it? It wasn't up to the defense to preserve evidence. The defense can't analyze non-existent evidence. If you want to disbelieve the hotel staff and conclude the cameras weren't working, but the evidence exists that is up to you but it was not introduced at trial.

 

[minor4th]

Of course the footage from the fourth floor was reviewed. That's a given.



But it was not seized and my opinion is it was not seized because it validated Jason's alibi. He left the room twice and returned to the room a short time later. No trip to Raleigh.



He did not have the ability to control what was seized. He did not have the ability to control what was recorded.



imo, he was railroaded.



JMO

Why do you say the video tape wasn't seized? I don't believe that's correct.

 

[minor4th]

Wait a minute. I'm confused. The video stills of the fourth floor on Nov 2-3, 2006 were reviewed but not preserved?



Are there no records of fourth floor stills? Should we believe that they showed no record of people moving around on the floor between midnight and 7AM, no record of Jason coming and going, or should we believe that the cameras weren't working, or does the defence simply not have enough time to go through all the evidence?

That's not correct. Some posters are taking liberties with facts.

 

[citygirl]

I don't think he talked much to his mom and sister because he had to wait til he had the states evidence before he constructed his story. I do not think he confessed to his family or that they are covering for him or helping him get away with murder.

Jason told his family only what he wanted them to convey to investigators (like what was supposedly missing and the discovery of a humidor in storage months or years later).

Other than feeding self serving intel to investigators through his mom - I don't think he talked to anyone or gave anyone an explanation of his actions on Nov 2-3 until he had constructed a detailed and thorough "alibi" to account for all the states evidence. IMO IMO IMO

Yes. I agree with you . I meant he fed them info that would work in his favor.

 

[citygirl]

It seems to me that the only still shots released by police, and only time period of interest, is after Jason stopped at the front desk ... after he had been to his room. What is the point of presenting still shots of Jason checking in and going to his room?

They did present pictures of him checking in. Didn't he have the striped shirt on that was missing?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

They did present pictures of him checking in. Didn't he have the striped shirt on that was missing?

This is the shirt JY had when he checked in.

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/specialreports/michelleyoung/2011/06/14/9726852/187219-Image44e-646x485.jpg

This is what JY was wearing when he came back down to the lobby at midnight.

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/specialreports/michelleyoung/2011/06/14/9726776/187208-Image56e-646x485.jpg

 

[jova33]

Yes. I agree with you . I meant he fed them info that would work in his favor.

Also receipts for cigars from before the murder.

Sent from your mom's smartphone

 

[JusticeFever]

That's not correct. Some posters are taking liberties with facts.

It would help if you were more specific when saying this. Anyone who has watched both trials knows the facts and knows when something is not being presented correctly here.

 

[JusticeFever]

Testimony was that the cameras on the fourth floor existed and were operational. Where's the evidence of it? It wasn't up to the defense to preserve evidence. The defense can't analyze non-existent evidence. If you want to disbelieve the hotel staff and conclude the cameras weren't working, but the evidence exists that is up to you but it was not introduced at trial.

I want to know how he got out of the hotel with his luggage in the am..I want to know why he did not make sure to interact with another desk clerk or guest. I want to know why he didn't walk by the front desk cameras and make a big production of just waking up and saying he needed some coffee or just making normal conversation with anyone at all, who would say that they saw him and that he acted normal.

Just like the woman at his meeting, Jennifer Sproles, that testified he acted normal.

 

[JusticeFever]

Otto,

You've been following this case many years longer than I have and in much greater detail. There are probably hundreds of posts on WS over the years talking about the various cameras in the hotels, with some in depth analysis. You'll need to review prior posts, including the ones you wrote, and the testimony on wral.com to determine the facts of the case.

I'm not here to do homework for others, nor will I. I formed my opinions based on what I saw during the trials. I watched the testimony. The video testimony is available for one and all on wral.com. It's a helpful resource and no one has to take the word of anyone else, as they can watch testimony for themselves and come to their own conclusion. In fact, when there's an opportunity to do so, it's the best way to determine a case. Why take anyone else's word for anything if you have the chance to see and hear it for yourself? It's rare that case followers have that opportunity.

I don't think anyone has asked you to do homework for anyone else, but a link in the right direction might help !! It's not very helpful to new posters to tell them to just look it up, if you or I know where to find it.

 

[tarheellvr]

Of course the footage from the fourth floor was reviewed. That's a given.

But it was not seized and my opinion is it was not seized because it validated Jason's alibi. He left the room twice and returned to the room a short time later. No trip to Raleigh.

He did not have the ability to control what was seized. He did not have the ability to control what was recorded.

imo, he was railroaded.

JMO

And you know this as fact....how?

Of course you think JY was railroaded, just like you think others are.......

 

[tarheellvr]

I continue to find it interesting and exasperating that some can overlook the obvious and continue to find any and all excuses regarding State's evidence.

I'm appalled that Judge Stephen's credibilty continues to be mentioned, just as I am the blatant discrepencies of the facts in this case.

As other's have stated as of late, just how unlucky can one man be????? JY regaining custody of Cassidy???? I just choked on my tuna on rye.........

 

[JusticeFever]

^^Wouldn't this case be more compelling to believe if just one of the following was true?

The Obvious:
Caught in the act
Pulled over on the highway between midnight-6am
Found with the murder weapon and incriminating evidence
Cameras at 4 Bros in King NC
A reliable witness at 4 Bros who could describe JY without the court's help
The night clerk/auditor discovering JY's room open and knocking to see if he was ok
The night clerk/auditor getting no answer and locking the door for safety, forcing JY to use his key card
Having a phone call directed to his room, no answer
Blood found in his SUV (for real, this time)
Trace fibers from the Hampton Inn at Birchleaf

Another Round of Obvious:
CY screaming in fear when seeing her Daddy
Some type of injury to JY's person
Someone seeing him leave the Hampton Inn parking lot (midnite)
Someone seeing him arrive in the Hampton Inn parking lot (6am -after)

It seems in all these instances, luck was on JY's side in every single one of them. How coincidental is that?