Jason Young to get new trial #3

[MyBelle]

I want to know how he got out of the hotel with his luggage in the am..I want to know why he did not make sure to interact with another desk clerk or guest. I want to know why he didn't walk by the front desk cameras and make a big production of just waking up and saying he needed some coffee or just making normal conversation with anyone at all, who would say that they saw him and that he acted normal.

Just like the woman at his meeting, Jennifer Sproles, that testified he acted normal.

BBM. Exactly. No video of him ever leaving the hotel and we know he left the final time and he testified he left twice in the wee hours and returned to his room. Not a single pix of Jason headed to his room when he checked in. Where is the fourth floor security pix of Jason RETURNING to his room when cops claim he did or when he claimed he did? If such pix existed the defense would have entered it because it is hugely exculpatory evidence if it showed him returning to his room when he said he did.

A pix showing him returning after 5:15 AM would be the "smoking gun" cops needed to nail him immediately. It was the hotel security pix that nailed Joran Vander Sloot in Peru. I believe cops intentionally failed to collect that security footage or they had it and didn't turn it over because they knew it was exculpatory.

Let's not forget this is the same law enforcement community that had a corrupt crime lab that had a policy of withholding information from defense attorneys.

Just My Opinion.

North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper ordered the review in March after a hearing about Taylor's case. During the hearing, a North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation agent testified that the crime lab once had a policy of excluding complete blood test results from reports sent to defense attorneys.



http://abcnews.go.com/WN/fbi-north-carolina-crime-lab-buried-blood-evidence/story?id=11431980

 

[otto]

That's not correct. Some posters are taking liberties with facts.

Jason was wearing his invisibility cloak when he entered the fourth floor hallway.

 

[MyBelle]

^^Wouldn't this case be more compelling to believe if just one of the following was true?

The Obvious:
Caught in the act
Pulled over on the highway between midnight-6am
Found with the murder weapon and incriminating evidence
Cameras at 4 Bros in King NC
A reliable witness at 4 Bros who could describe JY without the court's help
The night clerk/auditor discovering JY's room open and knocking to see if he was ok
The night clerk/auditor getting no answer and locking the door for safety, forcing JY to use his key card
Having a phone call directed to his room, no answer
Blood found in his SUV (for real, this time)
Trace fibers from the Hampton Inn at Birchleaf

Another Round of Obvious:
CY screaming in fear when seeing her Daddy
Some type of injury to JY's person
Someone seeing him leave the Hampton Inn parking lot (midnite)
Someone seeing him arrive in the Hampton Inn parking lot (6am -after)

It seems in all these instances, luck was on JY's side in every single one of them. How coincidental is that?

I think the only coincidences in this case have to do with after the prosecution knew the first jury decided 8 to 4 for acquittal--and after they realized the defense had discovered about Gracie's brain injury--they desperately added prejudicial evidence they KNEW was highly prejudicial.

Even the appellate court notes that the first jury did not know about the extent and permanent damage from Gracie's brain injury because the defense did not know. A child receiving disability benefits is an indication of permanent, significant damage.

JMO

After the first trial concluded, Defendant’s counsel learned that Ms. Calhoun had received disability benefits since she was a child. Ms. Calhoun stated that when she was six-years-old, she was hit by a truck. This accident caused her brain to be dislodged from her skull and to fall onto the street. Doctors reinserted her brain and Ms. Calhoun stated that she has had memory problems her entire life as a result of the accident.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

Jason was wearing his invisibility cloak when he entered the fourth floor hallway.

The appellate court opinion notes that there was no record of Jason leaving the hotel.

The question that needs to be asked and answered is: where are the hallway security images?

JMO

 

[otto]

The appellate court opinion notes that there was no record of Jason leaving the hotel.

The question that needs to be asked and answered is: where are the hallway security images?

JMO

I think that's a good question. I would like to see the still shots of the newspapers on the doors, and the related time stamp. Same for the receipts. That would tell us if the cameras were working and how many seconds it was between cycles. For example, were the cameras on the fourth floor sequential in still shots, or were they cycled such that all West wing cameras were sequential, then all East wing cameras. That is, if all West wing cameras were sequential, then would there be a still shot of the fourth floor every 7 seconds rather than invervals of 13, and 14 seconds.

Not sure if I'm explaining this correctly, but if there were fourth floor still shots every 7 seconds, then we should see Jason in the hallway at some time. If there were still shots every 14 seconds, could he possibly have entered the hallway and his room without being seen? I think that viewing the newspaper delivery sequence would help with understanding this.

 

[MyBelle]

Jason was wearing his invisibility cloak when he entered the fourth floor hallway.

Indeed. Although they didn't say it, I think the appeals court Judges concluded the same thing. Jason was invisible not only when he walked thru the fourth floor hallway but also when he allegedly re-entered the hotel after murdering his wife.

The opinion notes that there was no hotel surveillance footage of Jason after that sequence with the newspaper. No record of him actually leaving the hotel.

It defies logic to have the jury believe Jason reentered the hotel after 6 AM yet it was not be captured on any security camera covering those entrance doors or the corridors. All of them were working throughout the night, according to Hicks.

Transaction with Gracie was between 5:27 - 5:36 AM., according to Gracie and cash register receipts.

40 to 45-minute drive from there to hotel.

The rock was removed from the stairwell emergency door prior to 6 AM, according to Hicks.

The stairwell camera was plugged back in by 5:50 AM, according to Goad.

It was impossible for anyone to enter that hotel after 6 AM without using one of the corridor exit doors, which were all covered with working security cameras.

Unless, of course, they were invisible. Good point, Otto!

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

I think that's a good question. I would like to see the still shots of the newspapers on the doors, and the related time stamp. Same for the receipts. That would tell us if the cameras were working and how many seconds it was between cycles. For example, were the cameras on the fourth floor sequential in still shots, or were they cycled such that all West wing cameras were sequential, then all East wing cameras. That is, if all West wing cameras were sequential, then would there be a still shot of the fourth floor every 7 seconds rather than invervals of 13, and 14 seconds.

Not sure if I'm explaining this correctly, but if there were fourth floor still shots every 7 seconds, then we should see Jason in the hallway at some time. If there were still shots every 14 seconds, could he possibly have entered the hallway and his room without being seen? I think that viewing the newspaper delivery sequence would help with understanding this.

You explained it perfectly and I totally agree. This is a huge piece of evidence.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

Here is something else that is completely boggling and my fault for not doing my homework and reading this more thoroughly.

The NTO or NTIO as it is also called that was issued on 11/07/06 claimed that JY was the murderer.
That is just 3-4 days after her death, and already they had come to the conclusion that he killed her, based on these 4 charges in this warrant and this wording.

Murder G. S. 14 -17

"There are reasonable grounds to suspect you committed this offense"

Youngs were experiencing financial difficulties.
Deceased was pregnant and planning on cutting back on her hours at work
Deceased was covered by substantial amount of LIfe Insurance with JY as beneficary
Person has refused to cooperate with police.

So, how was this not a rush to judgement case ever? It was always Jason and only Jason.

 

[JusticeFever]

Jason was wearing his invisibility cloak when he entered the fourth floor hallway.

I need to go back and listen to Keith Hicks again, I believe the camera went out in the stairwell sometime after 11M, but he did not notice it until hours later. Why?

 

[MyBelle]

Here is something else that is completely boggling and my fault for not doing my homework and reading this more thoroughly.

The NTO or NTIO as it is also called that was issued on 11/07/06 claimed that JY was the murderer.
That is just 3-4 days after her death, and already they had come to the conclusion that he killed her, based on these 4 charges in this warrant and this wording.

Murder G. S. 14 -17

"There are reasonable grounds to suspect you committed this offense"

Youngs were experiencing financial difficulties.
Deceased was pregnant and planning on cutting back on her hours at work
Deceased was covered by substantial amount of LIfe Insurance with JY as beneficary
Person has refused to cooperate with police.

So, how was this not a rush to judgement case ever? It was always Jason and only Jason.

Beginning with the 911 call, it was Jason and only Jason. Which is why LE didn't interview CY, imo

It was proved at trial they weren't having financial difficulties. The point about Michelle cutting back hours at work is just bizarre. She was a CPA. If they were having financial difficulties, she wouldn't have been planning to cut back on her work hours. Duh.

JMO

 

[sunshine05]

Here is something else that is completely boggling and my fault for not doing my homework and reading this more thoroughly.

The NTO or NTIO as it is also called that was issued on 11/07/06 claimed that JY was the murderer.
That is just 3-4 days after her death, and already they had come to the conclusion that he killed her, based on these 4 charges in this warrant and this wording.

Murder G. S. 14 -17

"There are reasonable grounds to suspect you committed this offense"

Youngs were experiencing financial difficulties.
Deceased was pregnant and planning on cutting back on her hours at work
Deceased was covered by substantial amount of LIfe Insurance with JY as beneficary
Person has refused to cooperate with police.

So, how was this not a rush to judgement case ever? It was always Jason and only Jason.

Well, it would have been irresponsible for investigators to not consider him and to not request the NTO to see if he had injuries consistent with a fight. Once they saw that he had no injuries, no blood found anywhere, nothing tying him to the crime they should have pursued other theories but they did make their mind up early on that he was involved and that never went away.

I sometimes wonder about why the detectives were changed in the middle of the investigation and also Spivey - wasn't his title "Detective" and then in the 2nd trial "sargeant". Did he get demoted?

 

[MyBelle]

I need to go back and listen to Keith Hicks again, I believe the camera went out in the stairwell sometime after 11M, but he did not notice it until hours later. Why?

According to the appellate opinion, Hicks noticed the rock in the door, closed the door and went back to review security cameras. That's when and why he noticed it.

See pg. 11-12

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

Well, it would have been irresponsible for investigators to not consider him and to not request the NTO to see if he had injuries consistent with a fight. Once they saw that he had no injuries, no blood found anywhere, nothing tying him to the crime they should have pursued other theories but they did make their mind up early on that he was involved and that never went away.

I sometimes wonder about why the detectives were changed in the middle of the investigation and also Spivey - wasn't his title "Detective" and then in the 2nd trial "sargeant". Did he get demoted?

The appellate opinion refers to him as "Detective Spivey." Pg 13. The media mentions both but I do wonder why he didn't testify in uniform. If he was demoted, the jury should have been informed, imo.

Pg. 13, http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

Detective Richard Spivey of the Wake County Sheriff’s
Office (“Detective Spivey”) testified


WRAL story:
Sgt. Richard Spivey, of the Wake County Sheriff’s Office and lead detective on the case,

Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10761325/#OXK3upvtZeM0D3Xu.99

 

[JusticeFever]

Well, it would have been irresponsible for investigators to not consider him and to not request the NTO to see if he had injuries consistent with a fight. Once they saw that he had no injuries, no blood found anywhere, nothing tying him to the crime they should have pursued other theories but they did make their mind up early on that he was involved and that never went away.

I sometimes wonder about why the detectives were changed in the middle of the investigation and also Spivey - wasn't his title "Detective" and then in the 2nd trial "sargeant". Did he get demoted?

I agree, and they would have been remiss not to do so. I am just saying that the argument of his not being arrested for 3 years did not mean there was not a rush to judgement.
I also wonder who gave LE all that information in the first few days.

 

[JusticeFever]

According to the appellate opinion, Hicks noticed the rock in the door, closed the door and went back to review security cameras. That's when and why he noticed it.

See pg. 11-12

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

What was Keith Hicks doing in the stairwell when he noticed the emergency door open?

 

[minor4th]

This is the shirt JY had when he checked in.



http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/spec...011/06/14/9726852/187219-Image44e-646x485.jpg



This is what JY was wearing when he came back down to the lobby at midnight.



http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/spec...011/06/14/9726776/187208-Image56e-646x485.jpg

Hmm.

Do you have a pic of the Cracker Barrel shirt for comparison?

Is it commonly accepted that those are different shirts? Because to my untrained eye the lighter color pullover could be the same shirt, but the details and color are washed out in the pic because of the lighting.

ETA: looking more closely they do appear to be different shirts. The lighter shirt has cinched/elastic cuffs in the sleeves and the darker shirt doesn't.

 

[minor4th]

What was Keith Hicks doing in the stairwell when he noticed the emergency door open?

His job? Lol

 

[minor4th]

^^Wouldn't this case be more compelling to believe if just one of the following was true?

The Obvious:
Caught in the act
Pulled over on the highway between midnight-6am
Found with the murder weapon and incriminating evidence
Cameras at 4 Bros in King NC
A reliable witness at 4 Bros who could describe JY without the court's help
The night clerk/auditor discovering JY's room open and knocking to see if he was ok
The night clerk/auditor getting no answer and locking the door for safety, forcing JY to use his key card
Having a phone call directed to his room, no answer
Blood found in his SUV (for real, this time)
Trace fibers from the Hampton Inn at Birchleaf

Another Round of Obvious:
CY screaming in fear when seeing her Daddy
Some type of injury to JY's person
Someone seeing him leave the Hampton Inn parking lot (midnite)
Someone seeing him arrive in the Hampton Inn parking lot (6am -after)

It seems in all these instances, luck was on JY's side in every single one of them. How coincidental is that?

Oh yes, it would certainly be even more compelling if any of those things had happened. No question!

Their absence, however, does not negate the evidence that does point to Jason.

And on the flip side:

Wouldn't Jason's alibi be more compelling if

1. His key card registered room entries that coincide with his story

2. Cameras had viewed him eating breakfast at HI

3. The cameras that would have exonerated/incriminated Jason hadn't been tampered with twice and at the particular times they were tampered with

4. Jason had stayed at a hotel farther away

5. Jason hadn't urgently and persistently hounded Meredith to go to his house that afternoon.

6. There hadn't been a 4million dollar life insurance policy on Michelle's life

7. Jason hadn't fallen in love with another woman

 

[minor4th]

The appellate opinion refers to him as "Detective Spivey." Pg 13. The media mentions both but I do wonder why he didn't testify in uniform. If he was demoted, the jury should have been informed, imo.



Pg. 13, http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf



Detective Richard Spivey of the Wake County Sheriff’s

Office (“Detective Spivey”) testified





WRAL story:

Sgt. Richard Spivey, of the Wake County Sheriff’s Office and lead detective on the case,



Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10761325/#OXK3upvtZeM0D3Xu.99

Detectives usually don't wear police uniforms - they typically wear suits to the office (they're not out in marked vehicles on patrol)

 

[Madeleine74]

I was told back in 2011 that Spivey had been promoted to Sgt.