Jason Young to get new trial #3

[otto]

Do you honestly believe the point of this crime was burglary? The investigation concluded this was not a burglary/home invasion and the victim was specifically targeted for a murder. It might be the only thing both sides agree on. Further, both sides believe CY was taken care of by the perp; they differ on who they think the perp was.
Or, to put it more succinctly, I will quote your own words from a prior post upstream: "Investigators solve murders, not persons of interest, not the general public." I might add to that: nor persons on the Interwebs including forums, social media, blogs, or conspiracy theorists.

BBM ... are there only two ways two interpret the evidence?

 

[otto]

Investigators concluded burglary was not the point of this crime; they determined it was done to make it look like burglary was the motive, but the scene appeared to be staged, and multiple valuable items within easy reach were not touched. I've seen no evidence to prove that assertion wrong.

Investigators interpreted the evidence to fit their theory of the crime.

 

[otto]

Why not touch her purse? Why not take any of the electronics? To me it was staged. IMO.

Was the perp supposed to enter the kitchen first, before the murder, and search for a purse? If so, why? Was the perp supposed to search for a purse after the murder?

 

[Madeleine74]

Electronics are easily traced. Jewellery doesn't have serial numbers.

Diamonds can have the GIA certificate number laser-inscribed on the girdle. I'm not saying MY's diamond had this, only that it is not uncommon, as it's a way to make sure the stone one gets back in a setting (eg. left with a jeweler for cleaning or repair or resizing or any other reason), is the same original diamond. Further, jewelry can have inscriptions on it (underside of bracelets, inside of rings). So yes there are ways to trace or ID some jewelry.

Interesting that no claim of theft was ever made to the insurance company by the homeowner.

 

[otto]

Testimony by more than one witness was the crime scene (specifically as a burglary) appeared staged because obvious valuables downstairs were not taken, the things that burglars are most attracted to. The items in the jewelry box were negligible in value compared to the ring that was removed from the victim's finger. Further, the "burglar" likely attended to the toddler child--something investigators, defense team, and state all allege occurred.

And, no report of theft was filed with the insurance company. The remaining live homeowner never declared anything was stolen.

After stealing jewelry, murdering Michelle, and realizing that he/she was not alone, should the perp have started hauling computers and TVs out of the house?

 

[Madeleine74]

Investigators interpreted the evidence to fit their theory of the crime.

Isn't that what everyone does -- interpret evidence? What evidence points to a random murderer or random burglar vs someone known to the victim?

 

[Madeleine74]

After stealing jewelry, murdering Michelle, and realizing that he/she was not alone, should the perp have started hauling computers and TVs out of the house?

It's not about what a perp "should have done," it's about what valuables were there (eg. a digital camera was left in the kitchen, along with MY's purse, wallet, credit cards, whatever cash she had), what was not there, the condition of the home, signs of breakin or entry, where physical evidence was found. It's probable MY's ring was taken off her finger after she was murdered.

 

[otto]

Wasn't there a blood smear on the kitchen doorknob?

There was. That would suggest that the perp came and left through the garage. There is no reason to assume that the perp was in the kitchen.

 

[Madeleine74]

BBM ... are there only two ways two interpret the evidence?

Talking about agreement not interpretation.

 

[otto]

Hmmm, so instead of going directly to the purse laying on the floor right by the entry door in plain view downstairs, the "burglar" decided to go upstairs to where the sleeping people were. Because running into people when you're burglarizing is the best strategy. Forget about the cash people usually keep in their wallet (in a purse on the floor right in plain view). Take 2 drawers of (crappy) jewelry instead. Because jewelry box drawers are so easy to shove in your little burglar pockets.

The purse was in plain view when someone was standing in the kitchen, not when someone was standing at the foot of the stairwell looking into the kitchen.

 

[Madeleine74]

There was. That would suggest that the perp came and left through the garage. There is no reason to assume that the perp was in the kitchen.

Blood on the doorknob doesn't suggest that?

 

[Madeleine74]

The purse was in plain view when someone was standing in the kitchen, not when someone was standing at the foot of the stairwell looking into the kitchen.

That's true, but we also know garbage bags were left out on the kitchen counter that night/morning, which would mean if someone grabbed some garbage bags to dispose of evidence they would have stepped further into the kitchen where they would have been able to see more items in the kitchen. Testimony is that lights were seen on in the home somewhere around the 3:30am - 4am time, which if true, implies whoever was in the house was not engulfed in total darkness. The implication is they could see things.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Are we even sure that was Michelle's purse on the kitchen floor...I never put my purse on the floor......I am thinking maybe it was a pocketbook or bag that CY played with..it looks empty and there are other bags next to it.

Isn't it stated somewhere that YES that was HER PURSE.

BTW, I lay my purse in different places at my home. I always come through the door leading from my garage to my kitchen and put my purse in the dining room table or on the floor by the table. When we have guests I take it to our bedroom.

 

[otto]

Talking about agreement not interpretation.

I'm not aware of any agreement regarding whether the child slept through the night or woke up during the murder. Investigators stated that there is blood between the master bedroom and the child's room, and therefore it is logical to conclude that the child was carried to the bathroom. That makes no sense.

 

[Madeleine74]

I'm not aware of any agreement regarding whether the child slept through the night or woke up during the murder. Investigators stated that there is blood between the master bedroom and the child's room, and therefore it is logical to conclude that the child was carried to the bathroom. That makes no sense.

I believe the consensus is that the child was taken care of. Beyond that I'm not sure where else there is agreement in regards to CY between the 2 sides.

 

[otto]

Blood on the doorknob doesn't suggest that?

The door actually leads from the stairwell to the garage. The stairwell is next to the kitchen. There is no door from the kitchen to the garage.

"Galloway also said that he never found any indications of blood in Young's SUV or in the hotel room. On cross-examination, he said he did notice traces of blood on a kitchen-door knob leading into the garage at the Young’s home."


Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/9719825/#T1E82MUQoWC7GtBF.99

Floorplan: http://frictionpowered.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/floorplan1.jpg?w=675&h=644

 

[SStarr33]

Diamonds can have the GIA certificate number laser-inscribed on the girdle. I'm not saying MY's diamond had this, only that it is not uncommon, as it's a way to make sure the stone one gets back in a setting (eg. left with a jeweler for cleaning or repair or resizing or any other reason), is the same original diamond. Further, jewelry can have inscriptions on it (underside of bracelets, inside of rings). So yes there are ways to trace or ID some jewelry.

Interesting that no claim of theft was ever made to the insurance company by the homeowner.

Did they have a jewelry rider?

 

[JusticeFever]

I find the fact that Michelle would just leave her purse on the floor with a 2 year old in the home not something she would likely do. 2 year olds get into everything, and if Michelle had makeup or anything like that, I am sure CY would be just as curious as any other 2 year old.

 

[otto]

I believe the consensus is that the child was taken care of. Beyond that I'm not sure where else there is agreement in regards to CY between the 2 sides.

Consensus? There is no evidence that the child woke up in the middle of the night. There is evidence that the child stepped in blood, was in the bathroom, and smeared blood on the walls. We don't know if she washed her own feet.


Two sides? It seems apparently to me that there are many ways to interpret the evidence, not two.

 

[JusticeFever]

The door actually leads from the stairwell to the garage. The stairwell is next to the kitchen. There is no door from the kitchen to the garage.

"Galloway also said that he never found any indications of blood in Young's SUV or in the hotel room. On cross-examination, he said he did notice traces of blood on a kitchen-door knob leading into the garage at the Young’s home."


Read more at http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/9719825/#T1E82MUQoWC7GtBF.99

Floorplan: http://frictionpowered.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/floorplan1.jpg?w=675&h=644

Thanks, Otto!!!