Jason Young to get new trial #4

[SteelerGirl43]

Just telling you what was testified to. :dunno:

I know what she testified to, but thanks anyway.....

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Well that's really irrelevant.......the main issue here is JY keeping an innocent little girl from her Mommy's closest relatives.

When you consider Cassidy and ONLY Cassidy, what he did was beyond horrible!

I would do the same if family members were talking crap about a family member....

 

[otto]

How so? They were looking for partial custody so they could see her on a regular basis. They were completely shocked when he gave MF sole physical custody! He gave her up and agreed to see her every other weekend and holidays that were worked out between them. Why is that so difficult to understand? And the people with poor opinions of one another came from both sides. I doubt that either side would look to undermine the other with a 2.5 year old. She would be too young to grasp that concept anyway. I think you would be wise to give more credit to the adults on both sides of the family.
And in the end it was the best thing for the child. He was arrested 10 months later. She had a certain amount of stability in her life by then. MOO.

If in-laws want visitation, then they should apply for visitation. If they want full custody, then they apply for full custody, but that has nothing to do with visitation. Why would the in-laws be completely shocked when their custody application was successful? They completely trashed Jason in their application and demanded a psych eval. Even parents that have done nothing wrong will back away from an attack like that.

 

[JusticeFever]

Kind of
I still believe she heard the sound of water "running", but I do not think she described it well.
But now that I think on it, what does it even matter?
We all see the hose, we can tell the water was on.
The only question is why was it on, yeah?
Was it left on by JY very early before he left, MY in the early evening, JY to rinse down after the crime....or just some other random killer.

Honestly I do not see a way any one of us can pinpoint it just by looking at the picture or listening to MF's testimony :sigh:

The reason the hose was such a big thing was because it was offered as a possible alternate as to how JY cleaned up since there was no blood trace found in the bathrooms, sinks, etc. Pretty sure it was in one of the search warrants and that CY's prints were found on the hose, leaving it wide open for speculation of JY not only getting a shower from the hose, but taking CY outside in the freezing cold to clean her up too.

Also, not sure if any of this was offered at either trial....maybe a photo came in leaving the jury with something to think about, which is exactly why I hate the way this case was investigated and presented.
When not sure of something, or being able to prove it, just throw it out out there, anyway.

Example. "Blood found in Husband's Suv,,,,but, it wasn't true.
However,have we ever seen a headline that said "Oops, sorry, No Blood Found in Husband's SUV"?

The headlines went on like that for months, with one charge after another in the press.
How was he supposed to get a fair trial?

Doesn't matter that an officer investigating the auto accident that Michelle and Jason were in testifed that his findings to be it was an accident.....nope, it will still be a previous murder attempt.

Doesn't matter if the eye witness at the convenience store has brain damage, memory problems, and couldn't describe Jason. Put her on anyway, we will take our chances.

Doesn't matter that the one credible eye witness, who lived on the same street for 21 years as Michelle and Jason, drove by their house everyday to a job she worked at for 28 years, put her on the stand and we will destroy her.

Jason Young was found guilty long before he ever walked into a courtroom.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

If in-laws want visitation, then they should apply for visitation. If they want full custody, then they apply for full custody, but that has nothing to do with visitation. Why would the in-laws be completely shocked when their custody application was successful? They completely trashed Jason in their application and demanded a psych eval. Even parents that have done nothing wrong will back away from an attack like that.

Because they weren't looking for full custody. You can say they completely trashed him when in fact they reported the truth. The facts. I disagree that parents that have done nothing wrong would back away from that. Parents that have done nothing wrong have nothing to hide. And do we know if a psych evaluation is standard procedure? Maybe that was on the advice of their attorney? Ya know, they followed the advice of the attorney? Just like JY did?

 

[SteelerGirl43]

The reason the hose was such a big thing was because it was offered as a possible alternate as to how JY cleaned up since there was no blood trace found in the bathrooms, sinks, etc. Pretty sure it was in one of the search warrants and that CY's prints were found on the hose, leaving it wide open for speculation of JY not only getting a shower from the hose, but taking CY outside in the freezing cold to clean her up too.

Also, not sure if any of this was offered at either trial....maybe a photo came in leaving the jury with something to think about, which is exactly why I hate the way this case was investigated and presented.
When not sure of something, or being able to prove it, just throw it out out there, anyway.

Example. "Blood found in Husband's Suv,,,,but, it wasn't true.
However,have we ever seen a headline that said "Oops, sorry, No Blood Found in Husband's SUV"?

The headlines went on like that for months, with one charge after another in the press.
How was he supposed to get a fair trial?
Jason Young was found guilty long before he ever walked into a courtroom.

JMO

Of course not & please don't hold your breath waiting on it... That shows the type of people some are....

 

[citygirl]

The reason the hose was such a big thing was because it was offered as a possible alternate as to how JY cleaned up since there was no blood trace found in the bathrooms, sinks, etc. Pretty sure it was in one of the search warrants and that CY's prints were found on the hose, leaving it wide open for speculation of JY not only getting a shower from the hose, but taking CY outside in the freezing cold to clean her up too.

Also, not sure if any of this was offered at either trial....maybe a photo came in leaving the jury with something to think about, which is exactly why I hate the way this case was investigated and presented.
When not sure of something, or being able to prove it, just throw it out out there, anyway.

Example. "Blood found in Husband's Suv,,,,but, it wasn't true.
However,have we ever seen a headline that said "Oops, sorry, No Blood Found in Husband's SUV"?

The headlines went on like that for months, with one charge after another in the press.
How was he supposed to get a fair trial?
Jason Young was found guilty long before he ever walked into a courtroom.

JMO

How so? He got off the first time. Prosecution had to consider whether to go again. Not to mention he had 3 years of freedom before he was arrested. He took vacations, was intermittently employed, played sports (basketball, You came here for that?) Went online looking for dates. MOO.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

How so? He got off the first time. Prosecution had to consider whether to go again. Not to mention he had 3 years of freedom before he was arrested. He took vacations, was intermittently employed, played sports (basketball, You came here for that?) Went online looking for dates. MOO.

So he wasnt to go on with his life??? Btw I would have said the same if someone came up to me while I was playing softball, etc.....

 

[citygirl]

No one was forced to apply for custody of a child that lived with her father, and no one was forced to demand a psychological evaluation of that father.

This was not a visitation application, it was a custody application. If the in laws felt that they did not have enough visitation, they should have applied for that.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/loca...her_custody_complaint_against_Jason_Young.pdf

Be sure to read line 22 in your link. Thanks.

 

[JusticeFever]

Of course not & please don't hold your breath waiting on it... That shows the type of people some are....

Case is soooooooooooo frustrating sometimes. The public was told there was no forced entry to the home, but neglected to also tell people the doors to the Young home were seldom locked and access to the home could be made just by lifting the garage door up.

Then there is the 1693 days JY didn't talk, well, guess what? That also gave the state 1693 days to prepare in case he did. Did they look prepared? Do you think they had any questions ready, just in case, oh, I don't know, the defendant might take the stand?

Want to know where Jason's shirt is? Ask Becky Holt why she didn't ask him that when she had him less than 20 feet away on the stand and she could ask him any and every question in the world.

Just release every search warrant with every single theory, proven or unproven, and I am sure by the time the trial hits a courtroom, you could find a million people to convict JY without a doubt.

 

[JusticeFever]

Some people might think that it is "beyond horrible" for in laws to try to take custody of children away from parents.

These families did not seem to get along that great before any of this happened, and if what SS said she heard was true, about LF wanting to take CY than, I can see why the Youngs were scared.

I have to look that up in SS's testimony. Also, I think Mrs. Young said someone from the funeral home or cemetery told her that too.

 

[JusticeFever]

I wonder why things get so vicious like that. The Darlie Routier case is like that too so I have avoided it even though I would like to look into it some more.

No idea why things get so heated or why people are not allowed to think what they want.
This is only the second case I have ever followed that I have a problem with the evidence or think there is reasonable doubt, and, Cooper being the other one.

The rest I would gladly sign on the dotted line for being Guilty. These 2, not so much.

 

[JusticeFever]

Well, stay away from the Heather Elvis case on facebook... If you want to discuss the case on FB use a fake profile.. If you are on the fence or think they are innocent be very careful... The HE supporters will call your job, stalk you in public if they know you, steal profile photos, send death wishes to your kids and make fake profiles of you and post nasty stuff all over fb...

I have heard of stuff like this, intimidation, scare tactics, wanting people to be quiet, etc.
Oh, well!!

 

[otto]

Because they weren't looking for full custody. You can say they completely trashed him when in fact they reported the truth. The facts. I disagree that parents that have done nothing wrong would back away from that. Parents that have done nothing wrong have nothing to hide. And do we know if a psych evaluation is standard procedure? Maybe that was on the advice of their attorney? Ya know, they followed the advice of the attorney? Just like JY did?

I linked the Custody Application Affidavit upthread. It is definitely a custody application. Applications for visitation are something completely different.

 

[otto]

Be sure to read line 22 in your link. Thanks.

They visited with the child in October, 2008, and in December, 2008, (perhaps 5-6 weeks later) they applied for custody. I don't think that's reasonable. I suspect that a lot of inlaws/grandparents can go for a couple of months without seeing grandchildren without creating a problem over it.

 

[citygirl]

Case is soooooooooooo frustrating sometimes. The public was told there was no forced entry to the home, but neglected to also tell people the doors to the Young home were seldom locked and access to the home could be made just by lifting the garage door up.

Those facts did not come out until testimony.

Then there is the 1693 days JY didn't talk, well, guess what? That also gave the state 1693 days to prepare in case he did. Did they look prepared? Do you think they had any questions ready, just in case, oh, I don't know, the defendant might take the stand?

That many days? WOW. Why would anyone anticipate his taking the stand after all those days of silence?

Want to know where Jason's shirt is? Ask Becky Holt why she didn't ask him that when she had him less than 20 feet away on the stand and she could ask him any and every question in the world.

IMO NO prosecutors ever ask a question that they don't know the answer to.

Just release every search warrant with every single theory, proven or unproven, and I am sure by the time the trial hits a courtroom, you could find a million people to convict JY without a doubt.

SOP, no? How quick were they to release those search warrants? I think it took awhile. A million people didn't sit on the jury. And the first jury was a mistrial. As evidenced on this board there are a number of people who think he is not guilty.

 

[citygirl]

No idea why things get so heated or why people are not allowed to think what they want.
This is only the second case I have ever followed that I have a problem with the evidence or think there is reasonable doubt, and, Cooper being the other one.

The rest I would gladly sign on the dotted line for being Guilty. These 2, not so much.

You can't understand why this case is so polarizing?

 

[Boodles]

Please remember that JY is once again innocent until proven guilty.

Nah. He's only presumed innocent in the justice system for purposes of prosecution. Presumption of innocence is only a legal concept, not reality.

He killed his wife and is guilty, per the evidence presented in 2 trials, IMO.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Nah. He's only presumed innocent in the the justice system for purposes of prosecution. Presumption of innocence is only a legal concept, not reality.

He killed his wife and is guilty, per the evidence presented in 2 trials, IMO.

Actually one trial was hung... Wasnt it 8-4 NOT GUILTY? Thanks

 

[Grammy Jean]

No idea why things get so heated or why people are not allowed to think what they want.
This is only the second case I have ever followed that I have a problem with the evidence or think there is reasonable doubt, and, Cooper being the other one.

The rest I would gladly sign on the dotted line for being Guilty. These 2, not so much.

I read on an earlier post you believed Raven A. to be guilty and it was pathetic to see the deal he got. I agree with that completely. What about Raven's case convinced you he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe most of the evidence was CE like the JY case. so I'd be really interested on your thoughts about evidence in Raven's case.