Jason Young to get new trial #4

[SStarr33]

I completely forgot all about this, until someone mentioned it here on the thread yesterday......, and I found the original "ad", although not the photo, right here at WS.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-163240.html.

Several posts have the wording of the ad on that page.

It reads:
" I'm glad there are a few ladies out there like yourself. I work in the greater Greenville area. I"m a pharmaceutical bio-tech sales rep so I'm all over the area. I'm a widowed young professional with a wonderful 4 year old daughter who is the center of my world.If this is a big issue, let me know, b/c we are definitely not the right fit. I would like to have another child at some point, but thats looking too far ahead, I suppose. I hope the pics I sent are acceptable. I don't have any just of me, so you can see my daughter in a couple of them and my mom and my daughter in the snow mobile pick from Montana.. that was in March. The jungle/cave looking pic was from Puerto Rico last November and the other is just a moving van pic from a few months ago. I haven't downloaded the latest trip from Maine/New Hampshire yet that we all went on (mom, daughter and I) at the end of last month. I was going to send one of me posing with George. W. Bush."

Do I think this was legit? I don't know. I am not familiar with CraigsList at all and I don't know how easy or difficult it would be to set up an account and use photos that were available online. (if they were) I do think its strange no one ever challenged the validity or if it was verified that it was indeed Jason.. I also don't remember if it came in at trial but if it was real, why not?
Some of it sounds really strange, the explanation of photos which are pretty self-explanatory in themselves and the fact he would include a photo of CY and mention that he is a widower when he is being looked at in a murder case.
Doesn't sound like Jason at all, so I am going to ask around.... :wink:

Greenville is nowhere near Brevard. Was he commuting?

 

[tarheellvr]

I can't figure out why JY would have bought and worn a pair of shoes that were two sizes too small when the plan was strangulation.

That's an easy one.....to make footprints other than his own. The footprints didn't have to be in blood, but ended up that way due to the way Michelle died.

Footprints in a size 10 was part of his plan IMO.

 

[sunshine05]

Good question. Where did the size 10 shoes come from, and why would Jason bring them to a murder when strangulation was the plan. I don't think the size 10 shoes have been connected to Jason ... unless I missed something. I had thought that they were part of the July 5, 2005 purchase, but they weren't. Did he dig them out of a dumpster with murder in mind?

Otto, police searched through all of the credit card statements trying to find a purchase of the Franklin shoes but were never able to --- probably because the still unidentified killer was wearing them.

Regarding the shoes that were uncomfortable --- you are thinking of the Hushpuppies purchased in '05. JY believed that he was no longer wearing that pair because they hurt his feet and he guessed that MY probably donated them to charity. Size 10 shoes were never linked to JY which is a real problem for the State.

 

[sunshine05]

That's an easy one.....to make footprints other than his own. The footprints didn't have to be in blood, but ended up that way due to the way Michelle died.

Footprints in a size 10 was part of his plan IMO.

Footprints in size 10 and 12? Why are there two sets?

 

[citygirl]

Footprints in size 10 and 12? Why are there two sets?

I will admit the whole bloody shoe print thing confuses me. There were 2 separate prints in blood on a pillow. The Franklin 10's and the Hushpuppy Orbitals size 12. A single print of each on a pillow? Were they a right and left, 2 rights, or 2 lefts? Were they side by side? Was this a regular bed pillow or a decorative pillow? Other bloody stains were noted on the carpet in the bedroom leading from the master bath. Were they bare foot prints?

If I remember correctly the Hushpuppy Orbitals were not the same Hushpuppies that JY was wearing that fateful night. Or were they? They had a receipt for them. He testified his wife gave them to Good Will. Did they confiscate his clothes when he returned to Raleigh that night? The clothes he was wearing?

 

[SStarr33]

I will admit the whole bloody shoe print thing confuses me. There were 2 separate prints in blood on a pillow. The Franklin 10's and the Hushpuppy Orbitals size 12. A single print of each on a pillow? Were they a right and left, 2 rights, or 2 lefts? Were they side by side? Was this a regular bed pillow or a decorative pillow? Other bloody stains were noted on the carpet in the bedroom leading from the master bath. Were they bare foot prints?

If I remember correctly the Hushpuppy Orbitals were not the same Hushpuppies that JY was wearing that fateful night. Or were they? They had a receipt for them. He testified his wife gave them to Good Will. Did they confiscate his clothes when he returned to Raleigh that night? The clothes he was wearing?

No, they did not confiscate it and asked for it a couple of years later. He didn't have it--shocker.

And the jurors used this as one of their reasons for convicting him :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[SStarr33]

That's an easy one.....to make footprints other than his own. The footprints didn't have to be in blood, but ended up that way due to the way Michelle died.

Footprints in a size 10 was part of his plan IMO.

Weird, since apparently the plan was to strangle her--who cares what shoes you are wearing when you strangle someone.

Also, why put on a different pair of shoes if the wearing of the different shoes was the plan was to throw off the cops? Just track the blood in the size 10's all the way out the door.

If you really think about it, the State's story is absurd.

 

[citygirl]

No, they did not confiscate it and asked for it a couple of years later. He didn't have it--shocker.

And the jurors used this as one of their reasons for convicting him :banghead::banghead::banghead:

So he couldn't produce the shoes he was wearing captured in photos the night she was murdered? The ones that were documented in bloody footprints? The ones they had receipts for? And on the witness stand he allowed as his wife gave them to Good Will? He had new shoes on when he went for the NTO didn't he? Five days after the murder? Why did he need new shoes? His clothes had not been confiscated. Very incriminating IMO.

 

[sunshine05]

So he couldn't produce the shoes he was wearing captured in photos the night she was murdered? The ones that were documented in bloody footprints? The ones they had receipts for? And on the witness stand he allowed as his wife gave them to Good Will? He had new shoes on when he went for the NTO didn't he? Five days after the murder? Why did he need new shoes? His clothes had not been confiscated. Very incriminating IMO.

Police did seize the Explorer and all contents so he had to buy new shoes. He had nothing but the clothes on his back.

Though they did seize the vehicle and they did log some of the items from the suitcases and within the Explorer, they did not include everything. One example was a pair of slip-on shoes pictured in the front of the Explorer. There was no record of them in the inventory list. Were they the shoes he was wearing at Cracker Barrel? Possibly. We'll never know now.

Regarding his clothing --- his jeans were found in his suitcase with the belt still on them so that can only mean that he would have had to change into a different pair of pants to travel to Raleigh. The fact that his belt was still with the jeans he wore on his drive up that night points to innocence in my opinion because again, he's not anticipating a bloody scene so why think ahead to change out of those jeans? He didn't. And this indicates that he typically wore a belt with his jeans so why wasn't he wearing it on the trip back to Raleigh?

 

[sunshine05]

Weird, since apparently the plan was to strangle her--who cares what shoes you are wearing when you strangle someone.

Also, why put on a different pair of shoes if the wearing of the different shoes was the plan was to throw off the cops? Just track the blood in the size 10's all the way out the door.

If you really think about it, the State's story is absurd.

Right, this indicates he needed THREE pairs of shoes - one to throw them off (size 10), one that he apparently put on after the murder and "accidentally" stepped in the blood and tracked it and a 3rd pair to leave the house and drive back to VA.

 

[citygirl]

Police did seize the Explorer and all contents so he had to buy new shoes. He had nothing but the clothes on his back.

So why not wear the shoes he had on?

Though they did seize the vehicle and they did log some of the items from the suitcases and within the Explorer, they did not include everything. One example was a pair of slip-on shoes pictured in the front of the Explorer. There was no record of them in the inventory list. Were they the shoes he was wearing at Cracker Barrel? Possibly. We'll never know now.

You are implying this was police error?

Regarding his clothing --- his jeans were found in his suitcase with the belt still on them so that can only mean that he would have had to change into a different pair of pants to travel to Raleigh. The fact that his belt was still with the jeans he wore on his drive up that night points to innocence in my opinion because again, he's not anticipating a bloody scene so why think ahead to change out of those jeans? He didn't. And this indicates that he typically wore a belt with his jeans so why wasn't he wearing it on the trip back to Raleigh?

I remember a lengthy discussion about this. The detail on the jeans he arrived in were different than the jeans he walked down the hall in. Valid? Who knows? It was pointed out.

Have no clue why the BBM's come out this way? Whatever. You get my drift. Hopefully.

 

[sunshine05]

I remember a lengthy discussion about this. The detail on the jeans he arrived in were different than the jeans he walked down the hall in. Valid? Who knows? It was pointed out.

Have no clue why the BBM's come out this way? Whatever. You get my drift. Hopefully.

I don't think there is any evidence of that, just people speculating. If there was, the State would have definitely made a big deal of that.

 

[SStarr33]

So he couldn't produce the shoes he was wearing captured in photos the night she was murdered? The ones that were documented in bloody footprints? The ones they had receipts for? And on the witness stand he allowed as his wife gave them to Good Will? He had new shoes on when he went for the NTO didn't he? Five days after the murder? Why did he need new shoes? His clothes had not been confiscated. Very incriminating IMO.

What receipts??? They gave him a receipt for the clothing he was wearing without collecting it???? And yes, they confiscated the contents of the SUV and the home, so he had nothing to wear. In fact, his friends had to give him some clothes until he could buy more.

Also, did they tell him not to get rid of any clothing??? If not, then pfft!!

Despicable.

 

[citygirl]

I don't think there is any evidence of that, just people speculating. If there was, the State would have definitely made a big deal of that.

Are we sure they didn't? Please don't make me look it up.:floorlaugh:

 

[sunshine05]

citygirl - I think he bought new shoes because the only pair he had on were dressier, the ones he had worn to the customers. He testified that he needed a more casual pair.

Police error? Yes, it appears that way. They didn't list every single item from the Explorer in their inventory logs and then waited over two years to ask for the shoes and shirt. We can't expect anyone to keep track of things from years prior (meaning JY).

 

[sunshine05]

Are we sure they didn't? Please don't make me look it up.:floorlaugh:

Positive. They never made mention of jeans looking different but the jurors said that they thought the jeans in the CB video looked different than the ones found in his suitcase. That was improper as that was not evidence before them. The surveillance shots were very grainy and did not give a very clear image of details on his clothing.

 

[citygirl]

What receipts??? They gave him a receipt for the clothing he was wearing without collecting it???? And yes, they confiscated the contents of the SUV and the home, so he had nothing to wear. In fact, his friends had to give him some clothes until he could buy more.

Also, did they tell him not to get rid of any clothing??? If not, then pfft!!

Despicable.

I meant sales receipts for the shoes. I don't think they seized the clothes he was wearing that night. Can you link that? If so, they would have had his shoes.

 

[citygirl]

citygirl - I think he bought new shoes because the only pair he had on were dressier, the ones he had worn to the customers. He testified that he needed a more casual pair.

Police error? Yes, it appears that way. They didn't list every single item from the Explorer in their inventory logs and then waited over two years to ask for the shoes and shirt. We can't expect anyone to keep track of things from years prior (meaning JY).

Thank you. So these dirty police officers never stripped him from his clothes on the night he returned from Raleigh? The men that were looking to frame him? He wore dressier shoes for his appointments but decided he needed to dress down for his NTO? And he bought NEW hushpuppies? Do I have this right?

 

[sunshine05]

I found another image of CY's bathroom from a different angle so thought I would share it here. The door was definitely closed when some of them were made due to the location of them. Also, there are no prints exiting that bathroom that I can see. They all go inward.

 

[sunshine05]

Thank you. So these dirty police officers never stripped him from his clothes on the night he returned from Raleigh? The men that were looking to frame him? He wore dressier shoes for his appointments but decided he needed to dress down for his NTO? And he bought NEW hushpuppies? Do I have this right?

It wasn't just about "dressing down" for the NTO. He needed a pair of shoes to wear! Would you not buy a new pair of shoes if you had no access to any of your things? There is nothing odd about that.