Jason Young to get new trial #4

[sunshine05]

You missed my point. You commented about the first responders demeanor and I was showing you that people thought Deaver was a good guy too.

Deputy Earp handled himself very professionally. I don't think there is anything to criticize about him or his testimony. I didn't note anything about his demeanor at trial. He simply reported what he noticed that day.

 

[SStarr33]

Deputy Earp handled himself very professionally. I don't think there is anything to criticize about him or his testimony. I didn't note anything about his demeanor at trial. He simply reported what he noticed that day.

He was fine and my comment goes for any of them.

 

[SStarr33]

Watching LE testify in the first trial right now and I see that the jurors were asking questions. I don't remember any asking questions in the second trial. Does anyone else?

 

[citygirl]

Sorry, I was not clear. Agent Galloway took the video--you mentioned him in your post. And the name/order of entrance of the person is meaningless. The point is that he turned off the camera. Unreal,.

Google the words Duane Deaver. You might want to pop some popcorn first.

I think you misread my post. I never mentioned Agent Galloway. I was referring to the aerial photo shown by the first responder. The name and order was well defined in the timeline presented so it couldn't be meaningless.
Why does it matter that he turned off his camera? He had tons of video and still photos. What did he leave out?

 

[tarheellvr]

I know!! Why does the bathroom show more blood there than anywhere else and why so many footprints? And,after she was cleaned, there was still enough blood on her right foot to make an impression inside the black dress shoe.
And, how did she get out without stepping on the prints that were already there, and if someone was cleaning her, they didn't make any prints in the bathroom at all.

IMO Cassidy was put in the bathroom for a short length of time. She lay on the floor and rubbed her feet on the wall. As for her pajamas, I believe what I said before, I think she most likely had 2 pairs of similar pajamas and the clean pair was put on her after she was cleaned. I also think baby wipes were used so as not to have blood traces in the drain. Since a 2 1/2 is little, it wouldn't take a lot of wipes to clean her entire body. I think the dirty wipes, along with the pajamas were discarded when JY discarded his own clothes, shoes, any paper towels, towels, etc. are long gone along the route back to HI. Nobody but JY could ascertain the number of towels in the house and since he never went there, nobody knew if towels were missing or not.

The bathroom was not that big and the door could have been opened, Cassidy lifted out without making additinal prints. Traces of blood could have been left on the bottom of her feet or she stepped in drying blood somewhere else to make prints in her black shoe.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Last wk the topic of of counseling was brought up & how JY would talk to MF... Well, it was MY idea that MF be the counselor.... Not JY......


Around the 32 min mark.....
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9703219/

 

[sunshine05]

IMO Cassidy was put in the bathroom for a short length of time. She lay on the floor and rubbed her feet on the wall. As for her pajamas, I believe what I said before, I think she most likely had 2 pairs of similar pajamas and the clean pair was put on her after she was cleaned. I also think baby wipes were used so as not to have blood traces in the drain. Since a 2 1/2 is little, it wouldn't take a lot of wipes to clean her entire body. I think the dirty wipes, along with the pajamas were discarded when JY discarded his own clothes, shoes, any paper towels, towels, etc. are long gone along the route back to HI. Nobody but JY could ascertain the number of towels in the house and since he never went there, nobody knew if towels were missing or not.

The bathroom was not that big and the door could have been opened, Cassidy lifted out without making additinal prints. Traces of blood could have been left on the bottom of her feet or she stepped in drying blood somewhere else to make prints in her black shoe.

Why would anyone worry about MY's blood being found in the drain? Yet they left it all over the bathroom floor? (Only a person who was concerned about their own blood/DNA being found there should be conscious of the drains yet the floor was untouched.)

What are the odds that the identical pair of pajamas would be placed on her and doesn't it indicate that whomever did that felt it important to make it appear that they were the same? Meaning, they saw that another witness (SS) could identify them.

How does on explain the fact that there are no bloody footprints exiting the bathroom?

How does one explain the pajamas testing positive for presence of blood even though there was no visible blood on them?

 

[JusticeFever]

Nobody is suggesting that police framed JY. Yes, there are things I question about the thoroughness about the investigation and the decision of prosecutors to present some of the evidence and their choice to only call witnesses who fit their timeline.

Earp also found the fact that CY was clean to be notable and unusual.

I also agree, there isn't any reason for LE to frame JY, but someone else may have thought of that after the murder. If anything LE may have been too focused to look anywhere else but JY and may have missed something important. And, I imagine they were pretty pissed at him by the time he got back to Raleigh that night and then when he would not answer their questions.
Det. Earp did a fine job.

 

[JusticeFever]

IMO Cassidy was put in the bathroom for a short length of time. She lay on the floor and rubbed her feet on the wall. As for her pajamas, I believe what I said before, I think she most likely had 2 pairs of similar pajamas and the clean pair was put on her after she was cleaned. I also think baby wipes were used so as not to have blood traces in the drain. Since a 2 1/2 is little, it wouldn't take a lot of wipes to clean her entire body. I think the dirty wipes, along with the pajamas were discarded when JY discarded his own clothes, shoes, any paper towels, towels, etc. are long gone along the route back to HI. Nobody but JY could ascertain the number of towels in the house and since he never went there, nobody knew if towels were missing or not.

The bathroom was not that big and the door could have been opened, Cassidy lifted out without making additinal prints. Traces of blood could have been left on the bottom of her feet or she stepped in drying blood somewhere else to make prints in her black shoe.

Why would someone use baby wipes when they could just grab a towel? Did you see the amount of blood from the footprints in the bathroom? And, SS testified in court that they were the same exact pajamas she saw MIchelle put on CY at bedtime....

 

[TorisMom003]

The bloody footprints left in the hall bath make me believe that those footprints occured after the killer had left the house, not during the time when the killer was still there. I can't see a stranger (or even JY) letting a 2 year old child stay alive when that child could possibly ID them.

IF CY's pjs were changed, then that points to JY. I can't see a stranger bother to take the time to change her pjs after killing Michelle. It also would possibly leave DNA on the pjs (both dirty ones and clean ones) of the killer to ID that person. If a person, even JY, would take the time to change CY into another pair of pjs then why would they leave her free to roam the house and risk the chance of her getting bloody again?

No bloody footprints leaving the bathroom because the blood was either dry on CY's feet or no longer on her feet to leave the footprints.

What test was used to look for the presence of blood on the pjs? Wasn't it testified to in court that there were darker pink areas on the pjs? Were those areas where the blood was located?

I have some questions of my own.

How would a stranger know to go up those back stairs, next to the kitchen, to get to the master bedroom? In some homes the bonus room above the garage has only the one entrance/exit door that is not accessible to the rest of the upstairs house.

Why would a stranger go immediately up those back stairs instead of going into the rest of the house to take the items that would be easy to steal and sell?

Why would a stranger turn on the lights inside and outside of the house when commiting a burglary/murder?

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

I also agree, there isn't any reason for LE to frame JY, but someone else may have thought of that after the murder. If anything LE may have been too focused to look anywhere else but JY and may have missed something important. And, I imagine they were pretty pissed at him by the time he got back to Raleigh that night and then when he would not answer their questions.
Det. Earp did a fine job.

Every time someone is murdered (be it a male or female) the ones closest to that murder victim MUST be looked at. Those people MUST be eliminated as a suspect. If one of those closest to the victim can not be eliminated, then they remain a suspect and further investigation is done to either eliminate them or prove they commited the murder. JY was never able to be eliminated. A big part of that blame lies on JY's head. If a loved one, or someone close to the murder victim refuses to cooperate with LE then they are asking to be looked at even closer.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

The bloody footprints left in the hall bath make me believe that those footprints occured after the killer had left the house, not during the time when the killer was still there. I can't see a stranger (or even JY) letting a 2 year old child stay alive when that child could possibly ID them.

IF CY's pjs were changed, then that points to JY. I can't see a stranger bother to take the time to change her pjs after killing Michelle. It also would possibly leave DNA on the pjs (both dirty ones and clean ones) of the killer to ID that person. If a person, even JY, would take the time to change CY into another pair of pjs then why would they leave her free to roam the house and risk the chance of her getting bloody again?

No bloody footprints leaving the bathroom because the blood was either dry on CY's feet or no longer on her feet to leave the footprints.

What test was used to look for the presence of blood on the pjs? Wasn't it testified to in court that there were darker pink areas on the pjs? Were those areas where the blood was located?

I have some questions of my own.

How would a stranger know to go up those back stairs, next to the kitchen, to get to the master bedroom? In some homes the bonus room above the garage has only the one entrance/exit door that is not accessible to the rest of the upstairs house.

Why would a stranger go immediately up those back stairs instead of going into the rest of the house to take the items that would be easy to steal and sell?

Why would a stranger turn on the lights inside and outside of the house when commiting a burglary/murder?

MOO

A 2-year-old is incapable of identifying a stranger. No reason for a stranger to kill her. She was perfectly capable of identifying her father to police. And there was no way for her father to control what she said to anyone.

Unknown DNA was found at the scene as well as unidentified Franklin shoe prints.

wral.com has the trial testimony about the tests performed to detect blood on the clothing.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Listening to his testimony now. Ya know what jumped out for me in the very beginning? The aerial photo of the surrounding area. Why choose that house in the midst of that area? It makes no sense. This wasn't random, IMO. Also struck by the demeanor of the first responder. Hardly appears to be looking to frame JY. And he was the one that first noticed the hose leaking. He found that unusual and notable.

I didn't want to get sucked into watching testimony again but it is enlightening.

I've always believed the Young home was targeted just as the Petit family was targeted by men who got a thrill of entering and stealing from homes while the residents were asleep.

I've not seen any poster suggest LE "framed" Jason. To frame him would mean LE knew the identity of the real killer and that doesn't seem to be what happened.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

Every time someone is murdered (be it a male or female) the ones closest to that murder victim MUST be looked at. Those people MUST be eliminated as a suspect. If one of those closest to the victim can not be eliminated, then they remain a suspect and further investigation is done to either eliminate them or prove they commited the murder. JY was never able to be eliminated. A big part of that blame lies on JY's head. If a loved one, or someone close to the murder victim refuses to cooperate with LE then they are asking to be looked at even closer.

MOO

And, that is perfectly fine and the way it should be, but in this case, per the telephone call on his trip back and them saying he *darn* better be on his way and then when he gets back they seize his SUV and leave him and his family without their belongings. Then they get a search warrant claiming they saw blood, when there wasn't any. It was also on his trip back he learned of the questions they were asking about him, and knew they were waiting on him so he and his family called an attorney.

Just hours after the murder, sometime in the afternoon, even MF said that when they were asking questions about JY and Michelle, she knew "where this was headed"

It is still very sketchy just when everyone learned this was a murder, but to me it sounds like they knew right away. Very confusing and conflicting accounts of who knew what and when..
But, LE knew immediately....

 

[SStarr33]

And, that is perfectly fine and the way it should be, but in this case, per the telephone call on his trip back and them saying he *darn* better be on his way and then when he gets back they seize his SUV and leave him and his family without their belongings. Then they get a search warrant claiming they saw blood, when there wasn't any. It was also on his trip back he learned of the questions they were asking about him, and knew they were waiting on him so he and his family called an attorney.

Just hours after the murder, sometime in the afternoon, even MF said that when they were asking questions about JY and Michelle, she knew "where this was headed"

It is still very sketchy just when everyone learned this was a murder, but to me it sounds like they knew right away. Very confusing and conflicting accounts of who knew what and when..
But, LE knew immediately....

Wait. They falsified a SW??? When did that happen?

 

[JusticeFever]

Wait. They falsified a SW??? When did that happen?

They said they saw what appeared to be 2 drops of blood...

But, you know, when I re-read my post, I wonder how anyone could have expected Jason to talk? They were rude or as least impatient on the phone, they took his SUV and everything in it when he arrived back, and the intent wasn't so much about getting answers at this point, but making him feel like a suspect.

I imagine he was pretty scared.

And, for those who wondered (like me, constantly) why it took 3 years to get an arrest, there wasn't enough evidence. They were waiting it out, playing a game, hoping he was going to mess up along the way, or talk to the wrong person . They had to wait for the custody suit and wrongful death suit decisions before they made their move.

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

Added: Or, an arrest could have been made possibly, if the NTO had come back with any signs suggesting JY had attacked Michelle. MF testified MY was a scratcher, that she had long nails. We know she somehow ended up with her own hair in her hand, and we know there were prints on her neck, that also turned out to be hers. Which means she was trying to pull someone else's hands off her neck, and that person should have had marks from her fingernails on them, somewhere, their arms, their hands, or, especially their face. Michelle fought back.

 

[citygirl]

Added: Or, an arrest could have been made possibly, if the NTO had come back with any signs suggesting JY had attacked Michelle. MF testified MY was a scratcher, that she had long nails. We know she somehow ended up with her own hair in her hand, and we know there were prints on her neck, that also turned out to be hers. Which means she was trying to pull someone else's hands off her neck, and that person should have had marks from her fingernails on them, somewhere, their arms, their hands, or, especially their face. Michelle fought back.

I don't think she had a chance. He overpowered her. She was asleep. He immediately tried to strangle her. The best she could do was fight to get those hands from her neck. After that she was dazed and he knocked her in the face. Then proceeded to beat her until he was "exhausted" as the judge said. Thirty blows to the back of her head. MOO.

 

[SStarr33]

No way they ever looked at anyone other than JY. The day after the murder, the sheriff said it was not random.

When you think about that, it is downright evil.

 

[SStarr33]

I don't think she had a chance. He overpowered her. She was asleep. He immediately tried to strangle her. The best she could do was fight to get those hands from her neck. After that she was dazed and he knocked her in the face. Then proceeded to beat her until he was "exhausted" as the judge said. Thirty blows to the back of her head. MOO.

I'm thinking she was probably on the treadmill when he came in the house, since it was on as was the tv and lots of lights.