Jaycee's Girls

[songline]

to me the issue is jaycee is free and open with everything garrido did to HER. why would she cover his behind if she knew he was hurting her girls? yeah she "bonded with him", i know. that didnt stop her from telling the police what he did to her.........

Actually she did not tell the police right in the beginning...
It took time. (several hours)
Not surprised. the girl was brain washed.
It will take time for her to know what the truth is.
It will take time for her to feel safe in saying anything that is different from the way she had been trained in the past 18 years.
It can take longer then a year for the brain to be decoded.
Eventually she will be totally open, right now it is one truth at a time, one day at a time, one lesson at a time.
One foot in front of the other little by little.

 

[MBK]

California's Molestation Law Explained
Question: Eric Norman Olsen, a substitute teacher, has admitted to molesting between 100 and 200 female students, police say. What type of behavior is considered molestation under the law?

Answer: California's child-molestation law has two basic elements. Under Penal Code 288, molestation occurs any time both the victim is younger than 14 and the touching is intended to arouse the sexual desires of either the offender or the victim.

Contrary to what some might assume, the law doesn't limit the definition of molestation to any specific parts of the body, said Jason Anderson, the San Bernardino County deputy district attorney handling Olsen's case.

An offender can touch any part of a child's body for the act to be considered a lewd or lascivious act as long as there's evidence to show it's being done out of sexual desire, Anderson said.

"If there's a 10-year-old boy and I go up to him and touch him on the top of the foot if I do that with a desire to arouse my own sexual gratification, that's a 288," he said.

Molestation is most obvious when it involves the touching of private parts. With other types of touching, investigators must typically rely on statements from the suspect and any witnesses, as well as the context of the touching and the number of times it occurred, Anderson said.

http://www.longbeachalive.org/more_info/State_Statutes.htm

 

[kbl8201]

Actually she did not tell the police right in the beginning...
It took time. (several hours)
Not surprised. the girl was brain washed.
It will take time for her to know what the truth is.
It will take time for her to feel safe in saying anything that is different from the way she had been trained in the past 18 years.
It can take longer then a year for the brain to be decoded.
Eventually she will be totally open, right now it is one truth at a time, one day at a time, one lesson at a time.
One foot in front of the other little by little.

good points. but i think the fact she did open up about what happened to her (eventually) and the fact that she is back with her family and remembes and loves them are two huge steps in the right direction

 

[LillyRush]

Oh, those girls probably know every minute detail of each others day to day lives, I doubt much would happen that the others wouldn't find out about. They wouldnt be like normal families. I think part of the problem here is that you folks are looking at their world through your eyes and interpreting things that way. I could believe that they might see nothing wrong with those sorts of activities, but not know? Doubtful.

Natal, You don't think that Garrido had time alone with the kids, such as the time when he was commuting to businesses or campuses spreading word of his religion or whatever he was doing? No one has said anything about spotting Jaycee with them at that time. Most people are saying that their only interaction with Jaycee was through the printing business and only at the house. This is not including the possibility that he, based on his words, slept in the same bed with them.

If you can concede that they "might see nothing wrong" with inappropriate touching, then would you not agree that in turn they may not say anything to Jaycee about it as long they thought there was nothing wrong with it? Again, I'm not saying that Jaycee would intentionally lie or cover up anything. Nor do I even want it to even be a possibility. But, there is certainly a possibilty that Jaycee (along with many other parents of abuse victims in the world) may not truly be aware of anything and/or their perception on what was "ok" may have allowed any warning signs or behavior to be shrugged off as nothing.

 

[songline]

Damn it, my edit function isn't working:

Just to be clear, I realize the CD was of songs written several years ago, but the fact he felt so comfortable with releasing them without changing the content or context of the songs, says a lot about his mindset just a few years ago. And I also forgot to mention that neighbor who called the LE in '06 about the girls living in the yard and his supposed "psychotic sex addiction."

He is a "F" ing #$%^& NUT CASE. :crazy:
His comfortable giving out those songs confirms that.
Nothing he says should be considered without review, and re-review.
He also pleaded not guilty because he is a loon, and he knows what is against the Law
or he would not have hid them. he would have gotten them Birth Cirtificats and on, and on.....
Did he abduct JC - YES
Did he rape JC - YES
Did he impregnate JC - YES
and he said he is not guilty. :furious:

this should not even be a discussion really. We should know better.
The real truth will take about a year to emerge but hopefully
we will not even get to know it.

WE KNOW THIS TOO;
The girls are all brain washed; One for 18 years, 2 from birth on.
Nothing they say until the de-programing is done matters
and yes it takes a minimum of a year to deprogram a mind.

You want to believe him go right ahead.
You want to believe any of the girls go right ahead

Just do not forget it took the police a couple of hours till JC even admitted who she is.

 

[songline]

to me the issue is jaycee is free and open with everything garrido did to HER. why would she cover his behind if she knew he was hurting her girls? yeah she "bonded with him", i know. that didnt stop her from telling the police what he did to her.........

She only told what he did to her, and that too will take time to come out completely.
She may or may not even know about the girls, They may have had a secret,
she may want to protect them from future tarnish,
she is free Physically only, but fear is not something like a shirt that you can just take off.
NO fear can live forever if not healed.
AT BEST: We do not know, we do not know, we do not know.
AT best - TIME will guide JC, and when the time is right it may come puring out.

Anyone who wants to believe that JC told the truth go right ahead.:crazy:
("TRUTH" as we know truth, not as a brain washed person does)
she cant possible be telling the truth the way we KNOW truth.

But I do hope that the girls were not touched.

 

[Natal]

But we really don't know how much time they even spent together. After all, if the girls slept in PG's arms every night, maybe they were sequestered from Jaycee most of the day, too. PG took the daughters out and about, but seemingly not Jaycee. Where they all lived, exactly, and in which structures, is unknown to us at this point.

They didn't know every minute detail of each others' lives - - they didn't know that their "sister" wasn't their sister at all . . . and not to be crude, but the oldest one didn't know that "Daddy" was having sex with her big sister, did she? Then big sis had a baby - - do you think her little sister even KNEW she was pregnant, by PG?

So, no, I don't think there was total transparency at that house! It was an intricate web of lies and secrecy.

And NO, I know that doesn't mean that the daughters were molested. Hope to god they weren't. But if you read the definition in the California Penal Code . . .

The back isnt that big, and thats where they spent their entire lives, they would have known.

The older sister wouldn't have been asking questions when Jaycee was pregnant because she would have likely been about 3 at the time.

 

[MBK]

The back isnt that big, and thats where they spent their entire lives, they would have known.

The older sister wouldn't have been asking questions when Jaycee was pregnant because she would have likely been about 3 at the time.

But we don't KNOW that's where they all spent their entire lives, now, do we? It's not clear what the sleeping arrangements were. It's not even clear if possibly some of them even slept next door - - if there were locks on the outside doors!

Also, my brother was 2 when I was born, and he used to stick out his tummy and walk around like my mom was walking! He was observant, and there is no reason to think that a 3 year old wouldn't notice that big sis had something different about her. A 3 year old is old enough to notice something like why is big sis getting fatter if she was there . . . let's not treat these kids like they were total idiots incapable of seeing anything!

 

[songline]

The back isnt that big, and thats where they spent their entire lives, they would have known.

The older sister wouldn't have been asking questions when Jaycee was pregnant because she would have likely been about 3 at the time.

The place was big enough for him to keep 2 out side busy.
The place was big enough for it to slip by the PO.
the place was big enough to take one on a car ride.
the atmosphere was sick enough to threaten each not to tell
and to tell each that she is a favorite of his and to act normal
so to not make anyone jealous. WHO KNOWS.

If he can deceive 2 states he sure can deceive 3 little girls and I put nothing past him.

You are right about the sister may not remember JC with a belly,
she may have not noticed if JC wore big cloths.
She would have only been 4 years old at that time.

In some families where there is incest they do not even
know it is abuse, and think it is normal. He trained them to think she is their sister.
That is a rip off, abuse, unjust,
The more I know the more angry I get, whether he had sex with the girls or not
he raped them. YES they deserved to know who their mom was, they deserved
to go to school, they deserved to be a citizen not trash.
A penis insertion is not the only thing that a rape victim feels.
But that part we may never get to know, nor is it our business.
But believe him? no way...
Believe her? only after her deprogramming - which is no where in the very near future.

 

[my2sisters]

But we don't KNOW that's where they all spent their entire lives, now, do we? It's not clear what the sleeping arrangements were. It's not even clear if possibly some of them even slept next door - - if there were locks on the outside doors!

Great point, MBK! There's only one reason to have locks on the outside, isn't there?

 

[Ssejors]

Uhg.. no offense to any one in this thread but I think it's just the worst thread ever. I dont think it's right, discussing whether or not Jaycee is being truthful or suffering from denial regarding her daughters and whether or not they were indeed molested by PG. It's sad to hear people debating this. I think that it should be left alone until it is proven or dis-proven. It just doesn't seem respectful to Jaycee as it seems like some people are questioning her sanity, her mental health, or her honesty. As someone has already mentioned, we should just wait to see how this pans out for now, rather than scrape through the muck and mire of it all. I really Don't want to offend anyone in this thread.. It's just that I see it as disrespectful to Jaycee to be questioning this issue at this point.

If I have offended anyone I'm sorry. Mods Please delete this comment if it is Way out of line. I'm still new here.

 

[LinasK]

Uhg.. no offense to any one in this thread but I think it's just the worst thread ever. I dont think it's right, discussing whether or not Jaycee is being truthful or suffering from denial regarding her daughters and whether or not they were indeed molested by PG. It's sad to hear people debating this. I think that it should be left alone until it is proven or dis-proven. It just doesn't seem respectful to Jaycee as it seems like some people are questioning her sanity, her mental health, or her honesty. As someone has already mentioned, we should just wait to see how this pans out for now, rather than scrape through the muck and mire of it all. I really Don't want to offend anyone in this thread.. It's just that I see it as disrespectful to Jaycee to be questioning this issue at this point.

If I have offended anyone I'm sorry. Mods Please delete this comment if it is Way out of line. I'm still new here.

Noone has questioned Jaycee's honesty nor her sanity, in this thread, or any other on this forum...

 

[songline]

i agree with natal. she does seem to have intergrated back into her family well, and she sure didnt protect garrido at all. she obviously told them everything he did to her. i find it inconcievable that if she would do that, she would then lie about what he did/did not do to her girls. but then again it's possible she doesnt know........

The step dad reports that she was happy to see her mom, etc...
Her sister reports that the girls are playing around etc...
I do not think that is called integrated well :crazy:
Integrated takes some time.
I am sorry but you do not understand the severity of how
the mind works.
I do not care if she is the most CONSCIOUS SOUL, she was only discovered August 27 not even a month ago, and you have her already integrated??????: :waitasec: :crazy:

 

[flourish]

The step dad reports that she was happy to see her mom, etc...
Her sister reports that the girls are playing around etc...
I do not think that is called integrated well :crazy:
Integrated takes some time.
I am sorry but you do not understand the severity of how
the mind works.
I do not care if she is the most CONSCIOUS SOUL, she was only discovered August 27 not even a month ago, and you have her already integrated??????: :waitasec: :crazy:

bbm
ITA! well put and got me thinking...a month is very short...that is only one menstrual cycle, calendar page flip, one/fourth of the time it takes for my freshly-changed tap water filter to get dirty,...I probably have a brick of cheese in my fridge right now that was purchased while she was still inprisoned etc. etc.

I'm going out on a limb and making an assumption here: the sense of time passing can feel different in relation to your mood and activity (ie: "time flies when you're having fun" vs. the everlasting last minute of school before summer break)

I'm rambling

point is, we're all adjusting to the reality of this horrendous crime, and we are far removed. alert, the following is my speculation only, so please don't ask me for a link or resource she is probably still waking up every day with a start and a "where am I?" thought

it takes me about a month to re-acclimate after spending three days traveling to see, seeing, and returning from seeing my family...

 

[Imbackon]

I just can't believe there are folks already talking about integration.
Geez Louise, I took me years to get over the guilt of my cat's death from falling off the balcony, and you think she has come to some sort of "understanding" now in her mind with what took place since she was kidnapped 18 years ago, and is just now returned to her family?

In psychology, definition of integration:
The organization of the psychological or social traits and tendencies of a personality into a harmonious whole.

No way!

 

[Imbackon]

No, I don't believe Burke did, but regarding what will or will not be available online years from now, even though Jonbenet Ramsey was killed over 13 years ago, if you google something like Ramsey and Burke did it, you will get an idea.
I am sure the girls will one day search online and yes I hope they will be prepared for all the speculation that took place, but realistically there is no way around it. So go gentle...

 

[songline]

I just can't believe there are folks already talking about integration.
Geez Louise, I took me years to get over the guilt of my cat's death from falling off the balcony, and you think she has come to some sort of "understanding" now in her mind with what took place since she was kidnapped 18 years ago, and is just now returned to her family?

In psychology, definition of integration:
The organization of the psychological or social traits and tendencies of a personality into a harmonious whole.

No way!

I sure agree with you.
that is why I had to set it straight because some seem to think she integrated so well
some post blow me away, some have no reality on the severity of this case.

 

[LinasK]

Okay, the video that was linked, is old footage of Jaycee.

 

[flourish]

Quote from previous post: GUYS - WHOS PHOTO IS ON HERE scroll down?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...html?tag=stack


Jaycee Would Probably Testify, Lawyer Says End Quote from previous post
(for some reason using the "quote" button wasn't pulling up the quote)

Anyway, the only pictures I saw on that link was Jaycee, then a little one of PG, then a video of Jaycee near the bottom....???

 

[songline]

Quote from previous post: GUYS - WHOS PHOTO IS ON HERE scroll down?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...html?tag=stack


Jaycee Would Probably Testify, Lawyer Says End Quote from previous post
(for some reason using the "quote" button wasn't pulling up the quote)

Anyway, the only pictures I saw on that link was Jaycee, then a little one of PG, then a video of Jaycee near the bottom....???

I moved that post to how will she heal.

THANK YOU :blowkiss:
I kept on looking at the one on e the video.
Thanks I thought at first that it was her little one, I finally realized it was JC.