JBR Head Injury

[deanws]

OK Narla, please do this with one of John's interviews. I would be very interested to have drawn to my attention even just one instance where he lied or gave an evasive answer. Don't bother about doing it with Patsy. I'm quite convinced she lied and evaded answers constantly.

Ok...on the other hand ask yourself why she lied? To cover. Only reason! It was a Ramsey family member that killed that child. I am not saying on purpose. I do think it was an accident. But never the less...a R killed her.

 

[deanws]

Tricia what facts do you have to support your claim that Santa has been cleared?

I know there was no trace of any drug found in JBR, the pineapple in her digestive track nor in the bowl. I believe that was because there was no drug testing performed on any of those items.

The fact that his DNA does not match the DNA on JonBenet's panties or under her fingernails and that his handwriting does not match the ransom note does not clear him of having been present in the Ramsey house in the basement at the time of her murder, IMO.

Read the autopsy. There were toxins tested. No drugs. PEROID.

 

[Zman]

Ok...on the other hand ask yourself why she lied? To cover. Only reason! It was a Ramsey family member that killed that child. I am not saying on purpose. I do think it was an accident. But never the less...a R killed her.

Please state one PR lie for us.

 

[Brefie]

Please state one PR lie for us.

"Pageants were just a fun thing that we sometimes did on weekend"

CLEARLY A LIE!

 

[Maikai]

No urban legend here! From Patsy's own mouth she said that JB had cracked crab at the White's house. It clearly states that there was something else besides crab in her. Here is the autposy..knock yourself out. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html

in the stomach could have been the digested cracked crab--or something else she had at the White's, that didn't contain fiber. The stomach is like a mixmaster---it churns the food and it doesn't go on down the rest of the digestive track until it's ready--different types have different digestion times.
Nutruients are absorbed from the small intestine....fiber doesn't digest.

The vegetable/fruit matter most likely was eaten earlier.

 

[Zman]

"Pageants were just a fun thing that we sometimes did on weekend"

CLEARLY A LIE!

Where is the lie?

 

[Brefie]

Where is the lie?

If you can't see the lie in that, I won't bother explaining it.

Who has time?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

If you can't see the lie in that, I won't bother explaining it.

Who has time?

I don't see a lie in there either. Besides, pageants aren't illegal. Child murder is.

 

[narlacat]

OK Narla, please do this with one of John's interviews. I would be very interested to have drawn to my attention even just one instance where he lied or gave an evasive answer. Don't bother about doing it with Patsy. I'm quite convinced she lied and evaded answers constantly.

Aussie
Here are some of John's evasive answers.
4/97 interview.

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: And you guys have kind of separate bathrooms there, you guys are getting ready about the same time then?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, I don’t really remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. You came to the top of the stairs after helping Burke get ready for bed, do you recall whether Patsy was in bed at that time?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember, one way or the other.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace]remember which one it was, I don’t read them for very long.
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. When you guys first got home that night, were there any lights on in the house that you can remember?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, not that I can remember[/font]
[font=Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New]TT: Okay. Were you in JonBenet’s room when Patsy got her bedclothes on?[/font]
JR: No, I don’t think so, not that I can remember
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: John, do you remember what Burke wore to bed that night?

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Oh, not specifically. He would have worn pajamas, but I don’t remember which ones because he usually mis-matches[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. Did Patsy pull back the bed covers or anything, or just lay her right on top of the bedspread of hers?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, I don’t remember exactly[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. Does she have one of those plug into the wall type night-lights in her bedroom any way (inaudible). . .[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh not that I recall [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: Did she show the note on the second floor landing?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. You run down stairs and about where was Patsy at when she was running up the stairs?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Well, I don’t remember exactly,[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. Hadn’t moved at all from where he was at. OK. And you checked on Burke before the 911 call? Is that how you did, you went to JonBenet’s bedroom and then to Burke’s? How’d that all play out?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Did you help burke get dressed that morning or . . .[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember how Burke got dressed.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I’m all right.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: I know this is (inaudible) after you found JonBenet, and (inaudible) if you would, where was Fleet at when that happened?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: And did you turn the light on?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Probably, I don’t remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: and was it then you instantaneously opened the door, saw the blanket, you may or may not have turned the light on?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh-huh.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]ST: You don’t know? In all fairness.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: In fact, I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: OK. And then moved to your daughter. Did Fleet accompany you into that room?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: OK. Do you recall when you went up the stairs, Fleet being upstairs at that point?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: No, I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: And what did you use to break the pane?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, I don’t remember. Might have been my foot, I don’t know[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: Did you remove that whole grate off onto the, off the well, to jump down there and get in?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, probably. I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Do you recall whether she had make-up on, hair brushed out and everything, when she came up and was yelling at you?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. You remember any lights on in the basement when you went down the first time?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, no, not specifically, I don’t I mean, I don’t remember if any were on the first time[/font]

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[Linda7NJ]

WOW! I remember traumatic events like it was yesterday....every detail...in slow motion!

 

[Zman]

WOW! I remember traumatic events like it was yesterday....every detail...in slow motion!

Maybe, but I wonder if it would match everyone else's version.


And the real funny thing here is none of these questions asked by LE have anything to do with finding who murdered JBR.

Okay. Did Patsy pull back the bed covers or anything, or just lay her right on top of the bedspread of hers?
Theres the case cracker for sure.

OK. You run down stairs and about where was Patsy at when she was running up the stairs?

If we could just find the answer to this burning question.

Did you help burke get dressed that morning or .

If only John could remember these most important facts.

Also I'd like to know these things...............




What kind of toothpaste do you use John?

Now do you remember if you combed your hair like ususal or did you do something different with it?

Did you run down the stairs or did you jog?

Do you remember how you felt the first time you saw the note?

Did you remember if PR had her makeup on? Hair combed. Teeth Brushed. How was her breath? Any sleepers in her eye's John? Broken paint brush handle in her hand maybe?
Did Patsy offer you any pineapple that morning?

Did Burke have is underware on inside out when he went to bed?

Any dustbunnies around that you noticed John?

Does your car have leather interior?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Anyone who has ever watched a trial, or given a deposition knows they are chock full of stupid boring nit picking questions! But they have a purpose.

 

[Zman]

Anyone who has ever watched a trial, or given a deposition knows they are chock full of stupid boring nit picking questions! But they have a purpose.

And anyone who listens to the answers is sure to here a lot of Im not sure's and I don't remember. I don't recall.

Remember our former President and First Lady.

But these questions are meaningless.

If you can tell me what purpose the serve than go ahead.

 

[Linda7NJ]

For one, when they questioned Patsy they could have "stories" to compare.

Inconsistencies can break a case. Separate them, question them and compare.

 

[deanws]

Please state one PR lie for us.

We have already had this discussion Zman. Use the search function.

 

[Zman]

We have already had this discussion Zman. Use the search function.

I've been watching these boards forever. Never saw anyone but FW (can I still use FW?)caught in a lie. Only someones opinion of a lie. I'd love to find a lie that I could document.

Then again my suspicions of who runs/supports these boards and why they really do and why they are so overwhelmingly anti-R would probably get me kicked off for good.

 

[aussiesheila]

Ok...on the other hand ask yourself why she lied? To cover. Only reason! It was a Ramsey family member that killed that child. I am not saying on purpose. I do think it was an accident. But never the less...a R killed her.

deandaniellws,

I don't want to ask myself why Patsy lied. I know why Patsy lied.

I asked Narlacat to post an instance where JOHN lied or gave an evasive answer. I don't think she or anyone else can because there isn't one.

 

[aussiesheila]

Read the autopsy. There were toxins tested. No drugs. PEROID.

I have read the autopsy. It said they tested for alcohol and drugs and they recorded none detected. That means what it says - none detected. It does not mean "there is no way the victim would have ingested any drug of any description within 3 hours of death because if she had we would have detected it". It does not.

There could have been some drug ingested at 11 pm and largely metabolised away by 2 am, and further degraded before testing occurred another 8 hours later so that nothing showed up in the test. Or it could mean that they didn't do the specific test designed to detect the drug that was ingested.

 

[aussiesheila]

Maybe, but I wonder if it would match everyone else's version.

Oh Zman, it's worth wading through all these posts just to pick up on the little gem replies you come up with every now and then

 

[aussiesheila]

Aussie
Here are some of John's evasive answers.
4/97 interview.

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: And you guys have kind of separate bathrooms there, you guys are getting ready about the same time then?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, I don’t really remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. You came to the top of the stairs after helping Burke get ready for bed, do you recall whether Patsy was in bed at that time?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember, one way or the other.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace]remember which one it was, I don’t read them for very long.
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. When you guys first got home that night, were there any lights on in the house that you can remember?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, not that I can remember[/font]
[font=Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New]TT: Okay. Were you in JonBenet’s room when Patsy got her bedclothes on?[/font]
JR: No, I don’t think so, not that I can remember
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: John, do you remember what Burke wore to bed that night?

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Oh, not specifically. He would have worn pajamas, but I don’t remember which ones because he usually mis-matches[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. Did Patsy pull back the bed covers or anything, or just lay her right on top of the bedspread of hers?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh, I don’t remember exactly[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay. Does she have one of those plug into the wall type night-lights in her bedroom any way (inaudible). . .[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh not that I recall [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: Did she show the note on the second floor landing?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. You run down stairs and about where was Patsy at when she was running up the stairs?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Well, I don’t remember exactly,[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. Hadn’t moved at all from where he was at. OK. And you checked on Burke before the 911 call? Is that how you did, you went to JonBenet’s bedroom and then to Burke’s? How’d that all play out?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Did you help burke get dressed that morning or . . .[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember how Burke got dressed.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I’m all right.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: I know this is (inaudible) after you found JonBenet, and (inaudible) if you would, where was Fleet at when that happened?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: And did you turn the light on?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Probably, I don’t remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: and was it then you instantaneously opened the door, saw the blanket, you may or may not have turned the light on?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Uh-huh.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]ST: You don’t know? In all fairness.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: In fact, I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: OK. And then moved to your daughter. Did Fleet accompany you into that room?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember [/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: OK. Do you recall when you went up the stairs, Fleet being upstairs at that point?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: No, I don’t remember[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: And what did you use to break the pane?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, I don’t remember. Might have been my foot, I don’t know[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace][font='Courier New', monospace]ST: Did you remove that whole grate off onto the, off the well, to jump down there and get in?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, probably. I don’t remember.[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Do you recall whether she had make-up on, hair brushed out and everything, when she came up and was yelling at you?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: I don’t remember[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: OK. You remember any lights on in the basement when you went down the first time?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]JR: Ah, no, not specifically, I don’t I mean, I don’t remember if any were on the first time[/font]

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OK Narlacat, so the examples you have given could all be quite reasonably considered to be truthful answers to all these questions. To all these questions he answers "I don't remember" or words to that effect. He probably doesn't remember and if he doesn't remember he is not lying or being evasive - he is telling the truth.

I have read all the transcripts of all his publically available interviews and there are plenty of questions, by far the majority, where he does remember and he does give an information laden answer.

So how about some examples of lies?

And please ... not the one about Burke being awake at the time of the 911 call ... there is no certainty that those voices heard on the tape were in fact there, or if they were there, that they were Ramsey voices and not unerased voices from a previous recording.