JBR, PR and UMI

[Tadpole12]

Hi Hotyh.

In his book, ST recounts that LS's team were taking fiber samples months into the investigation.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hi Hotyh.

In his book, ST recounts that LS's team were taking fiber samples months into the investigation.

Oh that clears it right up.

 

[Tadpole12]

Oh that clears it right up.

hey Hotyh.

Good.
Lest you think there were only a few fibers.

 

[BOESP]

.00001N?

Again, fibers are not authoritatively sourced. Its not like BPD reports 'we have X fibers from Y jacket on Z cord that by their nature could only be deposited by primary transfer.'

I beg to differ. The investigative team who collected the fibers and the lab who analyzed the fibers are about as authoritative as it gets in a homicide investigation.

We've explained the term "fibers consistent with." Once again, that means the analysis is of sufficient quality and forensic value to be submitted in a court of law.

 

[madeleine]

Even if those are PR fibers and even if she wrote the note+JR being targeted in the RN+JR taking a shower,all this tells me it was JR who needed to distance himself from it.
See,most of you see this as incriminating evidence that points to PR.To me it looks like JR was the one who needed to be protected.
And if you add prior abuse,makes some sense.

IMO

 

[madeleine]

I can see PR covering for JR (after all,JB was more the beauty queen than the sweet little child) but I can't see JR (who already lost a daughter) covering for his wife (if it was just a rage attack,I mean wouldn't he be afraid for Burke?)

 

[DeeDee249]

I can see PR covering for JR (after all,JB was more the beauty queen than the sweet little child) but I can't see JR (who already lost a daughter) covering for his wife (if it was just a rage attack,I mean wouldn't he be afraid for Burke?)

I see where you are coming from, but I don't think he would have feared for BR if this was a one-time burst of rage, and PR had a different relationship with JB than she did with BR. PR was VERY tied up with JB and her pageant world. And I think he would feel BR needed his mother for as long as possible.
Patsy may have lived far longer with stage 4 ovarian cancer than most women would, but let's face it- it was a matter of when, not if, she would lose that battle. I really don't think he would have put PR through all that telling the truth about that night would entail.
Yet, putting JR as the perp (with PR writing the note to help cover up what happened) also works. That is what is so frustrating with this crime (and why I am RDI and not PDI) - I can put any of them in that spot (except BR acting alone).

 

[madeleine]

I see where you are coming from, but I don't think he would have feared for BR if this was a one-time burst of rage, and PR had a different relationship with JB than she did with BR. PR was VERY tied up with JB and her pageant world. And I think he would feel BR needed his mother for as long as possible.
Patsy may have lived far longer with stage 4 ovarian cancer than most women would, but let's face it- it was a matter of when, not if, she would lose that battle. I really don't think he would have put PR through all that telling the truth about that night would entail.
Yet, putting JR as the perp (with PR writing the note to help cover up what happened) also works. That is what is so frustrating with this crime (and why I am RDI and not PDI) - I can put any of them in that spot (except BR acting alone).

He would at least have sent her to some therapy I guess.Doesn't matter how you look at it,if they did it,if they didn't call 911 and staged the accident by being brutal and so cruel with their daughter's body .....then nothing is normal about them.
Some of you argue that panic makes you do things you wouldn't even think of.Dunno if I agree with this.I guess it also depends on what kind of person you are,I really do.That's why I tried to find out and I asked myself,do we really know these people?I don't think we do.And this could mean two things....we either blame them for horrible things not knowing that in fact they are good people OR we don't know their dark sides.....

 

[madeleine]

Please think about it.Would your self preservation instinct be so strong that you would just take a cord and put it around your childs neck?Not to mention the sexual assault thing.IF they did this,it can't be explained by "they did it in panic" IMO.There has to be something else in the background.No matter how scared you are,no matter how much you wanna cover your @ss,you probably wouldn't do that.You would think of something else.IMO

The RN would have been enough don't you think?Why add strangulation and sexual assault(unnecessary HORRIBLE things).Why.Maybe just in order to cover something else,then yes.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I beg to differ. The investigative team who collected the fibers and the lab who analyzed the fibers are about as authoritative as it gets in a homicide investigation.

We've explained the term "fibers consistent with." Once again, that means the analysis is of sufficient quality and forensic value to be submitted in a court of law.

Of course you can beg to differ. Thats fine. But, where is your authoritative source and what does the source say?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

hey Hotyh.

Good.
Lest you think there were only a few fibers.

I thought there were none fibers.

 

[BOESP]

I thought there were none fibers.

What is your source for the idea there were no fibers and (by inference) that no fibers were collected?

 

[BBB167893]

Even if those are PR fibers and even if she wrote the note+JR being targeted in the RN+JR taking a shower,all this tells me it was JR who needed to distance himself from it.
See,most of you see this as incriminating evidence that points to PR.To me it looks like JR was the one who needed to be protected.
And if you add prior abuse,makes some sense.

IMO

Some excellent points!

 

[BBB167893]

Please think about it.Would your self preservation instinct be so strong that you would just take a cord and put it around your childs neck?

Well, the short answer is I pray like hell I'll never have to find out. The long answer is that I suppose it depends. Remember, if they really thought she was dead, then according to their religious beliefs, the soul had already entered the kingdom of God. It was just a body. That's how I approached it when Mum died and couldn't have an open casket: "that thing is not my mother; it's just a body."

Not to mention the sexual assault thing.IF they did this,it can't be explained by "they did it in panic" IMO.There has to be something else in the background.

Hmm!

The RN would have been enough don't you think?Why add strangulation and sexual assault(unnecessary HORRIBLE things).Why.Maybe just in order to cover something else,then yes.

Well, I've given a few explanations to those in the past. Sounds like you're halfway to some now.

 

[MurriFlower]

Please think about it.Would your self preservation instinct be so strong that you would just take a cord and put it around your childs neck?Not to mention the sexual assault thing.IF they did this,it can't be explained by "they did it in panic" IMO.There has to be something else in the background.No matter how scared you are,no matter how much you wanna cover your @ss,you probably wouldn't do that.You would think of something else.IMO

The RN would have been enough don't you think?Why add strangulation and sexual assault(unnecessary HORRIBLE things).Why.Maybe just in order to cover something else,then yes.

I don't think you will convince RDI on this Madeline, as all their answers to your questions would be to just confirm what you are asking them to deny. Yes, they actually believe all this and have convinced themselves beyond their own reasonable doubt.

That's why I find it so difficult to debate with them, as their position is totally absurd and their explanations so illogical and and rediculous as to defy comprehension.

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't think you will convince RDI on this Madeline, as all their answers to your questions would be to just confirm what you are asking them to deny. Yes, they actually believe all this and have convinced themselves beyond their own reasonable doubt.

That's why I find it so difficult to debate with them, as their position is totally absurd and their explanations so illogical and and rediculous as to defy comprehension.

Then why do it?
Yes, we actually believe this. Just as you actually believe your theories.
Ditto for us. We find IDI equally as illogical and ridiculous. A "not the parents" at ANY cost. Yet the debate goes on, and will as long as the killer is not identified.

 

[MurriFlower]

Then why do you?

Yes, thats something I've been asking myself lately.

Yes, we actually believe this. Just as you actually believe your theories. Ditto for us. We find IDI equally as illogical and ridiculous. A "not the parents" at ANY cost.

Well, my 'theory' isn't set in stone, that's probably the main difference. I don't have this brick wall that appears to be the RDI's position. I've modified quite a few things in the time I've been here, in response to what I've read and seen. But the RDI theory doesn't get any more believable, in fact, quite the opposite.

Yet the debate goes on, and will as long as the killer is not identified.

Yes, the fact that the killer is not identified can probably be attributed to the RDI theory that the BPD developed on day one! Had they done a proper investigation, then evidence pointing to IDI (and exonerating the R's) may have been uncovered. Unfortunately, once committed to this, the mistakes and omissions had to be 'explained' and sticking to RDI was all they could do by way of mitigating their own incompetence.

 

[madeleine]

I don't think you will convince RDI on this Madeline, as all their answers to your questions would be to just confirm what you are asking them to deny. Yes, they actually believe all this and have convinced themselves beyond their own reasonable doubt.

That's why I find it so difficult to debate with them, as their position is totally absurd and their explanations so illogical and and rediculous as to defy comprehension.

But I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.I am trying to understand and put the pieces together for myself and having different opinions is helpful.My explanations for strangulation+sexual assault are:

IDI
or
RDI covering up more than an accident

 

[madeleine]

We find IDI equally as illogical and ridiculous. A "not the parents" at ANY cost.

I agree,sadly many IDI's are "the R's are innocent IDI's" and not "IDI-let's see who the I is".Same re some RDI's who are RDI's only because they can't stand the R's.But IMO most people around here,both IDI's and RDI's aren't these type of posters.That's what makes me change my views sometimes,I don't like extremes,I try to see both sides + points and I think most people here do accept different views even if they don't agree with them.

 

[OneLove]

I am still learning pieces of the puzzle and filling in the details of this tragic event. I take everything I learn and try to think of ALL possible ways it could fit into any and all scenarios. Most details can be explained from the perspective of IDI AND RDI. It is why the case is enigmatic and is still unsolved after all this time.

I would never THINK to be so insulting as the following post is. This is an intelligent and well-monitored website. Anyone can think anything they want, there are no "thought police". But when they utter (or print) their words, they are accountable for them.

I cannot let it pass without saying that the following post is beyond rude and obnoxious. It has no redeeming value whatsoever in any way and is completely uncalled for. It is totally unsuitable for this forum. IMO

That's why I find it so difficult to debate with them, as their position is totally absurd and their explanations so illogical and and rediculous as to defy comprehension.