Jeff Ashton -Retired? Not if he has anything to say about it! ;) ***Updated***

[bayouland]

Because everyone is intitled to their own opinion, and none of us are god, and therefore know exactly what happened, I am perfectly happy and content on this forum.

For the record, not once, never, have I defended Anthony. I just do not wear blinders for the Prosecution, or the Defense.

I have no problem with the Orange County Sheriff's office, the medical examiner, etc.

If Anthony is/was guilty of murdering Caylee, I put the responsibilty of the not guilty verdict squarely on the shoulders of Drane-Burdeck, Ashton, and other members of the prosecution. They didn't do their job. And please, don't put the blame on the jurors. The Prosecution had just as much say in seating them as the Defense did.

As for Baez not being honest; we'll see how ethical Ashton was when Berry rules on the motion the Defense filed. I love how the Ashton supporters are saying, "well, if he did what they say he did, the end justifies the means." If Baez had written a book, not Ashton, and had used material the court had sealed, virtually everyone would have wanted him lynched for it. Sealed is sealed.

For the record, I am neither an Anthony family and/or Baez insider, although I was passed yesterday by a silver Mercedes with the license plate "Mrs Baez".

As far as having opposing opinions, I'd be willing to bet if WS was around in 1996, the vast majority here would have thought Richard Jewel was guilty of The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta. How did that work out? Opposing opinions, whether popular or not, are not a bad thing. I will not be pressured to not post because my opinions differ.

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[Tulessa]

Happy New Year, Tulessa. Let's make this a better year. The year for justice for your family. Our hopes and prayers will be with you all the way.

Thank you dear friend. You guys are my rock.

 

[LambChop]

I feel that SA did their job to the best of their ability. They did what they could. The pictures of the remains site pretty much should have spoken for themselves. It's hard to say exactly what the jury wanted to see, except they said it was not enough. Most of us here disagree because we had more time to go over discovery documents and discuss them. This jury did not do that and thinking back now they may have some regrets, we don't know. The State presented what they had which was physical evidence and testimony from experts. In the end the jury chose to believe a story that had no evidence to support it. It was just a story so I don't understand why someone would say SA didn't do their job. They gave what they had and did a good job. The jury chose the story. People get lied to everyday and believe what they are told. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Thank you dear friend. You guys are my rock.

Will the trial be televised do you know???

 

[Pattymarie]

Because everyone is intitled to their own opinion, and none of us are god, and therefore know exactly what happened, I am perfectly happy and content on this forum.

For the record, not once, never, have I defended Anthony. I just do not wear blinders for the Prosecution, or the Defense.

I have no problem with the Orange County Sheriff's office, the medical examiner, etc.

If Anthony is/was guilty of murdering Caylee, I put the responsibilty of the not guilty verdict squarely on the shoulders of Drane-Burdeck, Ashton, and other members of the prosecution. They didn't do their job. And please, don't put the blame on the jurors. The Prosecution had just as much say in seating them as the Defense did.

As for Baez not being honest; we'll see how ethical Ashton was when Berry rules on the motion the Defense filed. I love how the Ashton supporters are saying, "well, if he did what they say he did, the end justifies the means." If Baez had written a book, not Ashton, and had used material the court had sealed, virtually everyone would have wanted him lynched for it. Sealed is sealed.

For the record, I am neither an Anthony family and/or Baez insider, although I was passed yesterday by a silver Mercedes with the license plate "Mrs Baez".

As far as having opposing opinions, I'd be willing to bet if WS was around in 1996, the vast majority here would have thought Richard Jewel was guilty of The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta. How did that work out? Opposing opinions, whether popular or not, are not a bad thing. I will not be pressured to not post because my opinions differ.

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I remember being very surprised when the Prosecution did not alter their previously fine case after JB presented his opening. As ludicrous as the opening was and full of lies...the jury did not know that. JB and his team effectively removed the shock and the horror of the 31 days and KC's lying which originally pointed to her consciousness of guilt. The 2 biggest pieces of circumstantial evidence the State had. Then they placed doubt by calling it a drowning. So even the smell in the trunk, the dogs and their hits, Cindy's phone call, etc was rendered impotent in the minds of the jurors.

In hindsight, all the astounding evil we here at WS, the detectives, the State (and yes, GA and CA) knew about was never made clear to the jury, after the defense circumvented the most important evidence. So, yes, that fell on the Prosecution team to re-direct their case after the outrageous opening and make them feel the horror we and 99% of humankind experienced at the callous way this beautiful little girl was erased and tossed like garbage.

One thing, though, that wasn't rendered useless was the duct tape. That blame clearly falls on the jury. Even with all the other stuff moot, the duct tape was enough to point to a monstrous act rather than an accidental drowning. There is nothing that explains such an atrocity and the jury ignored one of the most callous acts ever. The state did a fine job in portraying this.

However, we are all just armchair quarterbacks now. Blaming can't change anything. And the rest of the story remains untold. And Caylee is still dead.

 

[RR0004]

Exactly. If this were a judgeship that Ashton was running for Baez might have good reason to be worried. In fact, if that were the case I imagine Baez would ask Ashton to recuse himself from any case set before him because JA has openly admitted he is biased, doesn't like or trust JB.

However, we are talking about a State Attorney position. Baez is just a blip on the radar as far as defense attorneys go in Orlando. To the SA office, he is just another name/address listed in their directory.

Does the SA have any power to revamp the Florida Bar?

 

[chefmom]

Explain please.

I'm not sure what I need to explain. JA has made it clear that he disapproves of the tactics that JB uses. IMO, if he were to win this post, he would be on the lookout for further "smarminess" by JB in his future cases. It seemed that even HHJP made it clear that JB was doing some things intentionally to create problems, so I'm sure that JA would watch him like a hawk.

 

[wonders]

Respectfully Snipped For Space By Me.
My Response In Blue Under Yours.

I remember being very surprised when the Prosecution did not alter their previously fine case after JB presented his opening.
I have wondered about that too. Maybe they didn't because they felt they had such a strong case. I know I felt they had a strong case. I have said this before but will say again. I think one mistake was putting on the one hair decomp band thing. I felt that the hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull should have shown more of the decomp bands. So I don't know if it was looked at or not but the one hair thing IDK just felt it was a big mistake on the part of the prosecution. Just my opinion of course.

One thing, though, that wasn't rendered useless was the duct tape. That blame clearly falls on the jury. Even with all the other stuff moot, the duct tape was enough to point to a monstrous act rather than an accidental drowning. There is nothing that explains such an atrocity and the jury ignored one of the most callous acts ever. The state did a fine job in portraying this.
I think the jury brought the defenses theroy of how the vet had packaged up the dead animal for the Anthony's to bring home and bury and follow suit on all the other animals that died in that family. I remember CA saying it was packing tape and then LA says it was duct tape.
SideNote: How strange this family really is.

However, we are all just armchair quarterbacks now. Blaming can't change anything. And the rest of the story remains untold. And Caylee is still dead.

No truer words Pattymarie. I wonder if I'll still be coming back on these threads in ten years from now as I will never forget poor little Caylee and what I believe really happened to her.

Take Care Pattymarie.

 

[beach]

Does the SA have any power to revamp the Florida Bar?

No. Feel free to ask on the Verified Atty. thread but I am 99.95% sure the answer is no.

The State Attorney's obligation is to represent the "People" of their district in regards to criminal matters. Each State Bar Association has their own governing criteria. Most have members who serve as officers, on committees, etc... They usually consist of attorneys and some outside laypersons. The state attorneys are just that - lawyers, they're just not in the private practice sector - but likewise, they're members of the FL Bar Association.


Here is the link to the Florida Bar Grievance Committees page.

As you can see there are quite a few (even in each district) and the members serve specific term lengths.


Here is the Florida Bar Homepage.

 

[wonders]

I'm sorry Beach. My heart just aches for Caylee. I'll be good. I don't want to be the reason for extra work on our wonderful Mods. WS and it's members have been extremely good to me. rossva I meant it when I welcomed you to WS. Walk a mile in my shoes and you will have a much greater appreciation for the prosecuting attorneys. Come April they will be fighting the good fight for my brother and his wife, God BLESS every single prosecuting attorney in the United States!!

Tulessa, your posts make me want to cry at times and I hope with every fiber of my being that you and your family see justice done in the right manner in this new year of 2012. When April comes just remember to dust off the seats right next to you for us so that we may be there for you as you have been for Caylee.

 

[Nore]

I think Mr. Ashton has retired as a Prosecuting Atty. but is going on to a position in a law firm. Anyone can retire and go on to work at another job. I know we all wish him the best. I hope we get to see him in action as a Defense Attorney! May I sneak in a HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL. Tulessa, saying a pray for you sweetie....:seeya:

 

[FLmom777]

If the announcement that he is running for sa, my only reason for sadness is that I can't vote for him. Even though I live near Orlando, I reside in another district that hears cases in Ocala, twice the distance for me. Sigh...

 

[FLmom777]

I feel that SA did their job to the best of their ability. They did what they could. The pictures of the remains site pretty much should have spoken for themselves. It's hard to say exactly what the jury wanted to see, except they said it was not enough. Most of us here disagree because we had more time to go over discovery documents and discuss them. This jury did not do that and thinking back now they may have some regrets, we don't know. The State presented what they had which was physical evidence and testimony from experts. In the end the jury chose to believe a story that had no evidence to support it. It was just a story so I don't understand why someone would say SA didn't do their job. They gave what they had and did a good job. The jury chose the story. People get lied to everyday and believe what they are told. jmo

The fact that fca kept hidden that Caley was dead, worked in favor of fca. With only a skeleton, and heat and weather destroying any dna, combined with a jury unwilling to connect the dots, nobody could have won this case. The fact that the sight of the remains in a trash dump didn't affect them at all tells me that none of them cared that a little girl was killed.

 

[Pattymarie]

It's official...he is running!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Official-Jeffrey-Ashton-Page/167094923356300

 

[beach]

It's official...he is running!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Official-Jeffrey-Ashton-Page/167094923356300

I was just coming to post it too, Pattymarie! You are fast....it just popped up on my FB page.

I guess I should edit the thread title, huh?

 

[MissJames]

The Newest Member of Caylee's Team - YouTube

That was awesome. Thanks Tulessa and Papa!

 

[Tulessa]

Will the trial be televised do you know???

I'm not sure LC, but that's one of the reasons I quit smoking. NO SMOKE breaks for me. The only time I WON'T be there is when they show the autopsy photos. Th DA said they were so bad he had trouble looking at them. At the pretrial I did have to listen to 19 minutes ( not a typo) of his four children, four and under screaming. It was horrific to put it mildly...

 

[FLmom777]

Write, something I didn't know about ja. He has three rescue dogs.

 

[Tulessa]

Write, something I didn't know about ja. He has three rescue dogs.

Another reason to love him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I feel that SA did their job to the best of their ability. They did what they could. The pictures of the remains site pretty much should have spoken for themselves. It's hard to say exactly what the jury wanted to see, except they said it was not enough. Most of us here disagree because we had more time to go over discovery documents and discuss them. This jury did not do that and thinking back now they may have some regrets, we don't know. The State presented what they had which was physical evidence and testimony from experts. In the end the jury chose to believe a story that had no evidence to support it. It was just a story so I don't understand why someone would say SA didn't do their job. They gave what they had and did a good job. The jury chose the story. People get lied to everyday and believe what they are told. jmo

The reason the state did not get a conviction from this jury is because this jury chose to overburden the state. They wanted to know everything from beginning to end. Just like they do when watching a CSI show. I found them very shallow minded and not critical thinkers. I was worried about this jury from the beginning when either they said they knew little about this case or they did not read or watch the news.

The CE should have won this case hands down. All the jury had to do is use commonsense and logic and apply it to the overwhelming CE entered.

No child that 'accidentally drowned' winds up triple bagged and thrown away like trash with duct tape applied to their face. Nor does their parent have reeking decomp in their vehicle. Just doesn't happen and it didn't happen in this case either.

The jurors couldn't even pull from their own individual knowledge or life experiences and say to the other jurors 'oh I heard of a case where this had happened before' because there is no other case when the child died from an accident. This was a simple case of murder. The duct tape shows premeditation, imo.

That explains why CA lied her butt off. That explains why she went on with her life as if nothing had happen hoping to avoid detection for as long as she could. That explains why she told no one where Caylee's body was. Mothers who have lost their sweet innocent children due to an accident don't throw their little bodies away in a bug infested swamp to decompose until the COD can't be determined but a murderer certainly does.

Jeff Ashton has nothing to be ashamed of...he and Linda did their jobs but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink even if they are dying of thirst and this is the kind of jury they pulled for this case. They didnt have a clue what CE means or how to apply it and that it is just as powerful as direct evidence and many times even more so.

No case has all the answers. Bodies are found skeletonized all the time where COD cant be determined. The overwelming evidence showed Caylee was a victim of homicide at the hands of her mother.

That is why most cases are CE cases and are won day in and day out all across this country. They demanded to know what, when, where, why and how... which were burdens the state wasn't required to prove. No prosecutor in this country could have gotten a conviction if they had this jury looking at the evidence presented. They were too busy listening to the BS and looking at the smoke and mirrors.

We only see these type of jurors once in a blue moon thank goodness.

Jeff Ashton will make a great SA!

I think the people of Orlando would love to see him in that postion.