InVinoVeritas
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There is a "Tow law Noticeboard" on FB and only one mention of Jenny's disappearance, days ago!
The only problem with this scenario is that she supposedly left her house at 3pm and the dashcam footage that showed her car in that position was taken an hour later (according to this source Mystery disappearance of Jenny Hall as search enters day four ) which doesn't give much time for something bad to happen and for her car to be planted there. Unless timings are wrong. JMO.That those items have revealed nothing, suggests they may not have been switched on during the crucial time. Why leave them behind if you're going running? Most people routinely carry mobile devices with them when they're out in the wilds. A fully charged mobile is the first on my list for a long walk. Unless there are mental health issues we're not being made aware of, this doesn't look like a lost runner to me but something more sinister and unrelated to the search area. By which I mean, if you disposed of a body in that area, you wouldn't leave a car as a massive attention-drawing flag.
I’d be interested to know if she specifically told people she was going for a run, or that was an assumption made on where her car was found? They seem certain she’s in that area, so my gut does say that’s what she told people, but would be interesting to know if this was the case. I think the niggle that makes me believe it was an assumption is that they didn’t report her missing until 9pm, which feels late for returning home running in an area like that & the weather at the time, and that her car was found as opposed to that’s where she said she would park.
In this thread there have been I think justified questions 1) her attire for running - was this normal for Jenny to run in? 2) the time of the run, again was this a normal time to go running for Jenny?
self harm would not often involve a weapon imhoI’ve plotted where I think she parked on my OS map app (hopefully this is permissible). It’s the blue smudge.
If she was running, she could have simply bog hopped up over that moorland bit to the forest. Or she could have gone down the road as a warm up (I’ve often done this running, parking so my real run doesn’t start for 1/2-1 mile beyond where my car is parked).
I live and hike (don’t run anymore!) in a similar high moorland and for lots of people, it wouldn’t be unusual just to cut straight across the moor if you know it well. There are often tracks even where maps don’t say there are tracks. So I don’t think the terrain is necessarily an obstacle here if she is familiar with it, like you would be if this is where you always go.
But because the moor (until you get to the forest) is so open and very monochrome at this time of year, I’d think she’d be very easy to spot from the air if she was on the moor. Obviously this would not be the case in Hammersley Forest.
If her goal was self harm, it would not be easy to find something to harm yourself with on the moor (unless she brought a weapon from home), but obviously would be much easier in the forest. Such an awkward place to park though if your end goal was to self harm in a wooded area. JMO
Not necessarily. I have worked with missing persons cases (not in the US) and it's pretty routine that families will be working closely with police to nominate a spokesperson and to work with them on what information is made public. I have noticed that these cases seem to be handled very differently in the US.Seems unusual that we haven't heard more from family/friends or a FB page to Find Jenny. One friend has shared a couple of posts [Jane Lys] but other than that, just news articles. We know so very little about her, other than she's a farmer's daughter and runner.
For example, did she work and travel for work, have a partner, etc.etc.
There is more than enough from everything that is known so far to eliminate running from the factors, had it not been given prominence originally. But they may have just been additional information and suggesting a familiarity with the area. There was comment that she was heading to Barnard Castle rather than running a loop.i agree - nothing really to suggest that she was going running.
in fact the location of the car probably suggests otherwise, certainly not where most runners would be parking in that area.
the police will know more than they are telling which is why some things seem to make little sense to us.
the fact that they are actively discouraging public searches is very very telling to me
Perhaps the green jacket in the photo release. It’s not a running jacket and, yes, no real confirmation she’d gone running.Maybe the running assumption comes from more detail about her from her family
Was she training for a race? What kind of green jacket may she have been carrying…. A Barbour style I’d very different to a tech running jacket.
Yes, the car is in a small dirt lay-by facing north suggesting a driving route south from Tow Law around the forest and then heading back north towards Tow Law.Do we know exactly where Jenny's car was parked? I've been up and down the road several times on Google Earth Street View, but can't place it. I get the impression her car is parked facing northwards. There seem to be other, better, places to park - places where her car will be just that little bit further away from the road.
Do we know where Jenny's phone is? The statement that "digital intelligence officers have conducted extensive enquiries into Jenny’s mobile phone [and] smart watch" doesn't necessarily mean that the police have hold of these devices.
For reasons I can't really explain, I feel that Jenny has ventured to the west of the B6278 rather than to the east, which is where searches have been concentrated. Having said that, I am sure the police have their reasons for searching where they are.
Yes I’m leaning towards 1 or 3. If Jenny uses strava or anything like that they may be able to see if she has parked there before for running. However, if it’s a new location, it could have easily been a meet up gone wrong sadly. JMO.IMO they didn’t know she’d be in that area at all. The chief inspector said in the original report that they were focusing on areas she was known to run. My guess is because the family had no idea where she would be and said well, she likes to run and so they went with it. They announced it to the public and then the person with the dash cam footage came forward.
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Major search underway for woman, 23, who went missing while running in Durham
Jenny Hall is a keen long-distance runner, and a search on Friday concentrated on running trails she is known to frequently usewww.independent.co.uk
IMO this wasn’t run related. She left or was told to leave her phone and watch behind. If she was meeting someone they would have seen it on her phone since it seems they have been able to review it. She wouldn’t have deleted all of that.
I have 3 thoughts
1. Self harm
2. She went to do a walk - blow off some steam or something and didn’t want her phone on her (I do this a lot) and then either had an accident (this seems unlikely to me as she probably wouldn’t have gone far) or 3. Was picked up by someone taking advantage of the situation
There’s a potential 4th:Yes I’m leaning towards 1 or 3. If Jenny uses strava or anything like that they may be able to see if she has parked there before for running or anything else. Or if it is a new location. If new, it could have easily been a meet up gone wrong sadly. JMO.
Yes potentially but there would only be a one hour window between when she left home (3pm) and when the car was spotted there by dashcam footage (4pm) if this article is correct Mystery disappearance of Jenny Hall as search enters day fourThere’s a potential 4th:
car left there by someone else.
Yes potentially but there would only be a one hour window between when she left home (3pm) and when the car was spotted there by dashcam footage (4pm) if this article is correct Mystery disappearance of Jenny Hall as search enters day four
That’s not a very big window for things to happen IMO. Unless timings are incorrect.