JLM: Morgan Harrington/Fairfax Rape Victim - *Forensic Link* to MH #3

[Moonchime]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e302a4-553e-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html

Today marks the fifth anniversary since Morgan Harrington was last seen alive. The above link has a lot of information concerning the Harrington's efforts to keep another girl from becoming a victim of this predator.

Gil Harrington is an amazing person. Her insight and perspective is awe inspiring.

I pray that Hannah is found soon. The Graham family really needs to have her back.

 

[jamicat]

I didn't think our job had anything to do with a court trial. We are here as sleuths to find info on the internet to investigate the matter. We are not lawyers or judges, that is another part of the process, just not our part. Investigation takes just using a little common sense and some facts help aid the process. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, but as for me I believe she was raped because her parents said so. As a parent, that is not something that could easily come out of your mouth if it wasn't a fact. I mean really, would you go around saying my child was raped if you didn't know? That would be a hard thing to say or think and to assume that would be ludicrous. JMO
There was an article somewhere that stated that the body was somewhat preserved due to extreme temperatures that winter. I'll go look for it.

We don't know for sure if the final decision in this case will be that MH was raped, given the info we have. My guess is that the coroner's report, the autopsy report, that MH's parents got, did have that conclusion in it, and that is driving what the parents are stating. Coroner's conclusions do get overturned or disregarded in court, and it could happen here . Note that LE is not calling MH's case a rape or saying that she was beaten. The Fairfax case, they are outright calling a rape and an attack. There could be a good reason, why one is so labled and described by LE and one is not.

As to why MH's parents would say that, and other things about what happened to their beloved daughter, is because they do believe this and because they want the public to hold this case as very important. They want that attention and the horror of it helps. The way the Harrington's have channeled their grief has been by focusing their attentions on what happened to MH, finding her perp and hopefully helping others going through this ordeal, and to get the funds and support for this sort of thing, using strong language and showing the horror of it all can make a difference.

I think most of us do believe MH was raped. I do. But we don't know yet whether there is enough evidence for the courts to say so. The same with whether JM is the perp in this case and Hannah's. I do believe it given the evidence, but if a court, when it puts the case through the legal paces has the final word, so I won't say JM killed Hannah, or MH, but that he is suspected of it, or it looks like it, or the evidence points to it,. The same with MH being raped. She appears to have been, might have been, it's likely that she was, but not out and out that she was.

We'll be finding out about all of this in the future, not too distant either. Unlike some cases, like say, the Lauren Spierer one, there is someone on who the spotlight is right there, and a lot of evidence. Whether it's enough, we'll find out and we'll get to see it as it's presented. So there will be some resolution here and we'll know.

 

[neverletgo]

Surviving the 'Murdered Child's Club'
By Ann Hardie, Special to CNN
updated 6:01 AM EDT, Fri October 17, 2014

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One-hundred-and-one excruciating days later, the 20-year-old's skeletal remains were discovered 10 miles from the concert arena, on a hillside of a sprawling farm in the shadow of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Her death was ruled a homicide.

ON Friday, the Harringtons mark the fifth anniversary of their daughter's murder the same way they have marked four others — with a ceremony on Charlottesville's Copeley Road Bridge, the last place witnesses reported seeing Morgan alive. The family has used these annual milestones to try to generate new information on who may have killed Morgan and to warn young women in Charlottesville to be vigilant.

Morgan's ashes also have been scattered where the family vacationed in North Carolina's Outer Banks and in a remote spot in the Himalayas, carried there by a college professor who taught Morgan and is now a close family friend.

She understands the self-inflicted wounds that being in the spotlight brings. "I'll be in Kroger and people will blurt out, 'Are you the mother of the dead girl?' Happens all the time," Gil says. "I always stop and talk. I've put myself out there. It still cuts a little bit." Others recognize her and avert their eyes, which may be even more painful. "Some people have said, 'When are the Harringtons going to get over it already?'"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/us/virginia-girl-anniversary-harrington-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

 

[neverletgo]

Gil Harrington, left, is supported by her husband, Dan Harrington, while visiting the site where their daughter Morgan Harrington's remains were discovered in January 2011 in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Friday, on the fifth anniversary of Morgan Harrington's death, her family will gather for a memorial service on the Copeley Bridge in Charlottesville, where she was last seen alive. In a past ceremony, her brother Alex arranged flowers there.

2 4 1 is the Harrington's family's code for, "I love you too much, forever, and once more."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/us/virginia-girl-anniversary-harrington-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

 

[Heroine]

We don't know for sure if the final decision in this case will be that MH was raped, given the info we have. My guess is that the coroner's report, the autopsy report, that MH's parents got, did have that conclusion in it, and that is driving what the parents are stating. Coroner's conclusions do get overturned or disregarded in court, and it could happen here . Note that LE is not calling MH's case a rape or saying that she was beaten. The Fairfax case, they are outright calling a rape and an attack. There could be a good reason, why one is so labled and described by LE and one is not.

As to why MH's parents would say that, and other things about what happened to their beloved daughter, is because they do believe this and because they want the public to hold this case as very important. They want that attention and the horror of it helps. The way the Harrington's have channeled their grief has been by focusing their attentions on what happened to MH, finding her perp and hopefully helping others going through this ordeal, and to get the funds and support for this sort of thing, using strong language and showing the horror of it all can make a difference.

I think most of us do believe MH was raped. I do. But we don't know yet whether there is enough evidence for the courts to say so. The same with whether JM is the perp in this case and Hannah's. I do believe it given the evidence, but if a court, when it puts the case through the legal paces has the final word, so I won't say JM killed Hannah, or MH, but that he is suspected of it, or it looks like it, or the evidence points to it,. The same with MH being raped. She appears to have been, might have been, it's likely that she was, but not out and out that she was.

We'll be finding out about all of this in the future, not too distant either. Unlike some cases, like say, the Lauren Spierer one, there is someone on who the spotlight is right there, and a lot of evidence. Whether it's enough, we'll find out and we'll get to see it as it's presented. So there will be some resolution here and we'll know.

I get what you're saying and I understood you the first few times you said all of that. I'm saying we aren't part of the court proceedings and aren't supposed to be. Regardless of what we believe the truth is you are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. LE proves there is reason for a person to be guilty of the charges they were arrested for that's how they get arrest warrants. I can't get an indictment by simply saying I think he killed/ raped someone, there has to be probable cause. That's the part we should be concerned with here, not if what we think will convict him. And as I have stated many times, I think she was raped because her parents have said so. You and everyone else is entitled to their opinion, but as for me and my opinion, I stand by the FACT that is known to me, that MH was raped.
Edited to add that this man has been arrested and connected to at least 2 maybe 3 different women, how much benefit of the doubt does he really deserve? I mean there is no way thats all a coincidence. Raped or not we all can pretty much assume that he killed MH. What else do we need to know?

 

[jamicat]

I get what you're saying and I understood you the first few times you said all of that. I'm saying we aren't part of the court proceedings and aren't supposed to be. Regardless of what we believe the truth is you are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. LE proves there is reason for a person to be guilty of the charges they were arrested for that's how they get arrest warrants. I can't get an indictment by simply saying I think he killed/ raped someone, there has to be probable cause. That's the part we should be concerned with here, not if what we think will convict him. And as I have stated many times, I think she was raped because her parents have said so. You and everyone else is entitled to their opinion, but as for me and my opinion, I stand by the FACT that is known to me, that MH was raped.

We aren't that far apart. Most of us agree with you except for the word "FACT" in there. As a matter of fact, facts can be true or untrue. Opinions until they are facts are not either.

Hopefully, all of this will be presented and the courts rule on it. However, they make wrong decisions too. People have been let go though they absolutely have done something due to technicalities and other issues. And people have been wrongfully convicted. But that is the standard we hold to.

 

[Heroine]

We aren't that far apart. Most of us agree with you except for the word "FACT" in there. As a matter of fact, facts can be true or untrue. Opinions until they are facts are not either.

Hopefully, all of this will be presented and the courts rule on it. However, they make wrong decisions too. People have been let go though they absolutely have done something due to technicalities and other issues. And people have been wrongfully convicted. But that is the standard we hold to.

When I said fact I mean fact in my mind and in MH's parents mind. Just so you understand that. and since I was a little late in my edit I'll post it here...
this man has been arrested and connected to at least 2 maybe 3 different women, how much benefit of the doubt does he really deserve? I mean there is no way thats all a coincidence. Raped or not we all can pretty much assume that he killed MH. What else do we need to know?

 

[Foxfire]

Many sexual predators/serial killers of today record their deviant acts via cell phone/camera photos and videos, for later reliving the act/s<trophies>. Imo, this is likely why MH's camera was never located..

<sniped - read more>
http://www.fbi.gov/washingtondc/pre...dia-campaign-in-morgan-harrington-murder-case
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.

Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word &#8220;Pantera&#8221; spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington&#8217;s &#8220;Pantera&#8221; T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington&#8217;s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
<BBM>

 

[Heroine]

I just love Gil Harrington! She is so smart and helpful. She really cares about all of these missing girls and I feel she holds the families of some of these missing girls together. She's so supportive. If I could give her an award I would. I've been seeing everything thats happening on Copely bridge on my twitter and I think she is just wonderful!

 

[jamicat]

I just love Gil Harrington! She is so smart and helpful. She really cares about all of these missing girls and I feel she holds the families of some of these missing girls together. She's so supportive. If I could give her an award I would. I've been seeing everything thats happening on Copely bridge on my twitter and I think she is just wonderful!

The way she has reacted and continued to act after the loss of her daughter is absolutely awe inspiring. I agree with you fully.

 

[Foxfire]

Surviving the 'Murdered Child's Club'
By Ann Hardie, Special to CNN
updated 6:01 AM EDT, Fri October 17, 2014

Snipped:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/us/virginia-girl-anniversary-harrington-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Thanx for sharing, neverletgo...

The Murdered Child's Club/The Involuntary Fraternity of the New Life's Normal

Although these clubs have different names, the membership is synonymous in that they are involuntary clubs that none of us ever want to become members of. The member's lives will never be the same as it was the day before their love ones' lives were taken or they simply vanished..

I've attended four CUE missing/murdered person's conferences in the past few years and have listened to hundreds of these parents/families tell their devastating stories, including the Harringtons. They are very genuine, yet have the same tone, appearance, vibe...most are very distant emotionally and physically from each other, and with few exceptions. I've never seen them waiver from that distant vibe.. Very few parents of this club survive their marriages <90% divorce rate>and many of their families also become dysfunctional and simply implode..

The Harringtons; Gil and Dan, have remained strong, and as one, and have continued their very gallant, and persistent journey seeking justice for their precious daughter Morgan, and have been warriors in their valiant attempt to 'Save the next Girl'..

If you attend a missing/murdered persons conference. You will witness up close, the devastation of the families involuntary inducted into the 'Murdered Child's Club or the Fraternity of the New Life's Normal. Whether it's one year, one decade, or even longer. Doesn't matter.. Many parents and family members will go to their own graves still seeking answers...

CUE Center National Missing/Murdered Person Conference-2010 <Gil speaks @ 6 minutes 40 seconds in the candlelight vigil>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN878keA6K0

<sniped from article linked above>

Roanoke, Virginia (Special to CNN) -- On this day five years ago, Dan and Gil Harrington became members of a club they never wanted to join and one they can never quit.
The dues are more than steep. They are crushing. And yet, membership in this club grows.
The Harringtons belong to the Murdered Child's Club.
That's how they describe it, anyway. Their membership began October 17, 2009, when their daughter, Morgan Dana Harrington, went missing in Charlottesville, Virginia, where she was attending a rock concert on the University of Virginia campus.

 

[teeandcee]

I didn't realize today was the MH anniversary. Yeesh, how awful all this going on. I'm not expressing myself well. What a horrible person JM is, to not only destroy these women but their families as well. (I've made a judgment call and do believe he's guilty and have no personal obligation to presume innocence since I'm not on a jury).

 

[Conductor71]

I get what you're saying and I understood you the first few times you said all of that. I'm saying we aren't part of the court proceedings and aren't supposed to be. Regardless of what we believe the truth is you are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. LE proves there is reason for a person to be guilty of the charges they were arrested for that's how they get arrest warrants. I can't get an indictment by simply saying I think he killed/ raped someone, there has to be probable cause. That's the part we should be concerned with here, not if what we think will convict him. And as I have stated many times, I think she was raped because her parents have said so. You and everyone else is entitled to their opinion, but as for me and my opinion, I stand by the FACT that is known to me, that MH was raped.
Edited to add that this man has been arrested and connected to at least 2 maybe 3 different women, how much benefit of the doubt does he really deserve? I mean there is no way thats all a coincidence. Raped or not we all can pretty much assume that he killed MH. What else do we need to know?

Probable cause is not that difficult to ascertain pressing charges, but the prove that charge is (or should be). Said so and assumptions are a slippery slope; put yourself in JM's parents' shoes for a moment. What happens if he tells you he is innocent? You would then believe your son raped MH because her mother said it happened?

As for evidence, we are all only seeing the case LE is building against JM. Their job is to not objectively present facts; they select to pursue and reveal only what supports their case. Anything that weakens it does not get reported. We have heard nothing of the other side; for all we know JM could have an air tight alibi. If you want to blame someone for a lack of "cooperation", look to LE. "You have the right to remain silent; everything you say will be used against you in a court of law." Many, many people who have talked end up coerced into a confession, or end up convicted of a crime they did not commit because they thought they were "helping" LE. Not saying JM is innocent, but it is really naive to think that LE is completely neutral and infallible.

There is no way to "sleuth" without seeing how it is connected to the law, IMO. Also, it is the hallmark of good sleuthing to consider evidence that may not fit into the case or may weaken it. To confront how defense might use holes in the case and account for those only makes prosecutor's case stronger in the end.

 

[Heroine]

On October 17th, that same year, you went to a concert. You fell and hit your head hard on the way to the bathroom. By the time you got there, you were bleeding from an open gash on your face. There were no drugs or alcohol in your system. You were concussed, head-injured, disoriented, and you wandered outside the John Paul Jones Arena.

http://www.helpsavethenextgirl.com/about/morgan-harrington/

And for 18 days shy of five years, we have been looking for the man whose DNA is all over your murder

The first time I've ever seen this mentioned..I've heard assumptions but never knew if it were true or not. Not that this makes it so, but I thought others might want to have a look.

 

[wall0214]

http://www.helpsavethenextgirl.com/about/morgan-harrington/

The first time I've ever seen this mentioned..I've heard assumptions but never knew if it were true or not. Not that this makes it so, but I thought others might want to have a look.

I've read that before. The police have said that she was in fact drinking - I don't know if that's from her friends' eyewitness accounts or toxicology tests done at the time of autopsy. A concussion may make sense for her erratic behavior, but since the above is from one of Morgan's college professors, I don't know how much credence it has.

http://www.wsls.com/story/20834527/...arringtons-disappearance-was-against-her-will

 

[Heroine]

I've read that before. The police have said that she was in fact drinking - I don't know if that's from her friends' eyewitness accounts or toxicology tests done at the time of autopsy. A concussion may make sense for her erratic behavior, but since the above is from one of Morgan's college professors, I don't know how much credence it has.

http://www.wsls.com/story/20834527/...arringtons-disappearance-was-against-her-will

I didn't say it held credence, I said I thought others might like to have a look. Please "read" my posts and reply accordingly. Thanks.

 

[Montjoy]

As for evidence, we are all only seeing the case LE is building against JM. Their job is to not objectively present facts; they select to pursue and reveal only what supports their case. Anything that weakens it does not get reported.

rsbm -

That is simply false. LE is obliged to disclose all information as officers of the court, whether that information demonstrates guilt or is exculpatory.

 

[wall0214]

I didn't say it held credence, I said I thought others might like to have a look. Please "read" my posts and reply accordingly. Thanks.

I'm not sure what the problem is - I wasn't being snotty. My reading comprehension is just fine, thanks.

 

[littlemaybaby]

rsbm -

That is simply false. LE is obliged to disclose all information as officers of the court, whether that information demonstrates guilt or is exculpatory.

I believe he (she? - sorry, don't know) meant the information LE is releasing to the public. They are under no obligation to release any evidence to the public. What they are obligated to present in trial is totally different . . . And I personally don't think we will know any more about this "forensic link" than we know right now until trial . . . And if a plea deal is arranged we may never know.

 

[FindHG]

I don't know how much credence...
http://www.wsls.com/story/20834527/...arringtons-disappearance-was-against-her-will

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This was him right after he took Hannah Graham, according to his work colleagues as reported in the press. As described behaving after he was asked by so many about the perp sketch too.

quote from the story you posted.

Posted: Dec 30, 2009 11:44 PM EST
Troopers asked the public if they have noticed any behavioral changes in a loved one, co-worker, or friend who may have attended that Metallica concert, or acts strangely (overly interested, shies away, etc.) when the Morgan&#8217;s disappearance is mentioned in the news or discussed among people, to call them.

sulking or squirrely or something